Rumors Thread

[Buppy 1,720]

3 hours ago, e_prime said:

Quite the haul... who wins this trade?

At this point I would have to say Nashville, but could easily turn to the Avs if they make good use of the picks. Could end up hilariously bad for Ottawa, and even at best it doesn't look like much of an improvement. 

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

What's the deal with Turris? Not getting along with the rest of the Sens or something? 

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[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

First 3-way trade since all-star captain John Scott was traded 

[Juklitz 85]

6 hours ago, Dabura said:

My first impression...no real loser here. Maybe the Sens, because I'm not sure Duchene is a clear upgrade over Turris. Probably a lateral move at worst

There´s maybe something behind, but Turris + Bowers + 1st + 3rd for lateral move? 

[Dabura 12,207]

5 hours ago, Juklitz said:

There´s maybe something behind, but Turris + Bowers + 1st + 3rd for lateral move? 

True. The more I think about it, the less I like it (from the Sens' perspective).

[krsmith17 7,191]

Like any trade, it's too early to tell who the winner is, but my bet is on Colorado here. Sakic held out on trading Duchene, and people thought his asking price was way too high. Well I'm pretty sure he did better than his asking price... They got a 1st round pick, that could potentially be a lottery pick from Ottawa (in which case, they would lose the 3rd if it's a top 10 pick). They also got a 2nd round pick from Nashville. As well as 4 decent to very good players / prospects. Hammond is probably the worst piece coming back, but he's a serviceable backup. Bowers is a high end center prospect, Kamenev is a good forward prospect, and Girard is a very good young defenseman. Three very nice pieces there. All this for a player that clearly wanted off the team for quite some time...

Like has been mentioned, Ottawa seems like the clear loser in this deal, giving up a high end prospect, and either a top 10 pick or a 1st and 3rd round pick. All for a player that isn't that much better or younger than what they currently had. I think Turris is very underrated, and Duchene (while maybe slightly better) may be a little overrated after all the hoopla this past year of trade controversy.

[e_prime 1,936]

Agreed.  The real question of this trade:  Is Duchene a clear upgrade over Turris? 

Via Friedman --  Turris bolsters the Predators down the middle and will serve as their No.2 centre behind Ryan Johansen. He heads to Nashville with three goals and six assists (nine points) in 11 games so far this season.

The 26-year-old Duchene, has recorded four goals and six assists (10 points) in 13 games so far this season and has a career-high of 30 goals (2016) and 47 assists (2014).

Career stat wise, while Turris has never had a 70 point season, he's seen plenty of playoff action and really stacks up nicely against Duchene.

It seems that the Sens had no desire in re-signing Turris, at least not for what he wanted ($6x6 // insert Eugene Melnyk cheap meme) and you get Duchene for two years at $6 million to figure out whether he's worth re-signing.  So, to me, it's seemingly a wash.

...but yeah, KR, Ottawa paid A LOT for that lateral move.

 

Seems as if contract negotiations with Turris were not going great:

http://www.tsn.ca/how-did-it-come-to-this-with-turris-1.906604

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What makes the Turris situation more puzzling is that it seemingly took his camp all of about 30 minutes to hammer out a new contract with the Nashville Predators. He inked a fairly reasonable six-year contract worth a total of $36 million with the Predators minutes after the trade was finalized on Sunday night. Nobody would mistake that contract for an outrageous demand, given the current landscape in the NHL. Turris easily would have fetched that – if not more – on the open market next summer.

 

Edited November 6, 2017 by e_prime

[Dabura 12,207]

http://www.tsn.ca/trade-bait-duchene-deal-puts-kane-atop-list-1.908350

I fear Green will be a replay of Vanek. He has a reputation as a power play specialist and a liability on the defensive side of the puck, and so far this season he's playing to both of those characterizations. He's a good-skating veteran defenseman, so we're getting at least a 2nd, but I fear that could be it. Even if he piles up a ton of points. Also, the Caps overpaid for a similar player in Shattenkirk and that did a whole lot of nothing for their Cup hopes, and that will still be fresh in GMs' minds. That we're looking at a very deep draft class doesn't help.

Tatar and Nyquist are playing to the "They're overpriced secondary scorers" characterization. They remain streaky scorers and their possession numbers aren't great this season (though, I honestly think that's largely a product of playing with Zetterberg, who I feel is really starting to show his age). Hurricanes fans are wanking over hypothetical returns for Noah Hanifin and neither Tatar nor Nyquist is on their wish list; they want *A Matt Duchene*. I fear #14 & #21 have no trade value atm. I'm also starting to fear the Tatar extension was a mistake.

Howard has been great and Mrazek, having had his come-to-Jesus moment, seems to be rebounding (no pun intended). There isn't really a market for high-priced goalies right now and Holland wouldn't trade either of them in-season anyway, so f*** my life, I guess.

tl;dr Outside of maybe Larkin and Mantha, we don't have ultra-sexy trade chips.

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https://wingsnation.com/2017/11/08/a-perfect-trade-candidate-from-nashville/

[krsmith17 7,191]

5 hours ago, Dabura said:

https://wingsnation.com/2017/11/08/a-perfect-trade-candidate-from-nashville/

Yes Please! I've wanted to make a trade for Montour for about 2 years now. This is the exact type of move Holland should be looking to make. Nyquist / Tatar and Ouellet for Montour and Bieksa. Get it done Kenny!

[Juklitz 85]

Just can´t imagine Ducks will be searching for some small-framed guy...

[krsmith17 7,191]

9 minutes ago, Juklitz said:

Just can´t imagine Ducks will be searching for some small-framed guy...

You're probably right, because Murray has the old school, bigger is better mentality. "Well, Bob we have a big burly Justin Abdelkader that might interest you"...

Seriously though, I think Nyquist would fit well in the Ducks top 6. I don't think we'll ever know if Murray would have interest in Nyquist though, because Holland will never shop him...

[chaps80 1,591]

Rangers in the market for a goalie apparently, with the King no longer the King, and Pavelec being, well, Pavelec.

Possible options are Hammond and...Mrazek? I dunno how much faith I put into these rumours. They’re usually fluff pieces. But why would Holland move Mrazek now, just as he has seemed to have found his game again? Too early to consider that move imo. 

[LeftWinger 4,953]

I too would welcome a trade to Anaheim.  I am convinced Holland will never trade Nyquist, but maybe he'd be willing to trade Tatar. He's a little bigger, and usually is more of a scorer than Nyquist.  Either one though would work for me. I think Anaheim may be interested more in Tatar because he is already signed. If they traded for Nyquist, they may have to pay him MORE than Tatar if they want to re-sign him.

I really wish Holland would realize that its time to deal in the best interest of the future.  He has to know his D is horrible right now, and while Mondour and Bieska woudln't turn us into instant contenders, Bieska more than likely would not be re-signed, but having Mondour in the system, along with Cholowski and Hicketts, et al. would be wonderful for our future.  Tank all you want, the odds of 1st overall are still pretty stacked against you. But even if they did get it, having Dahlin in that mix is only brighter! Kronwall can retire after the season, Green could be traded at the deadline, E could be our #7 since nobody would want him and his contract. XO would be dealt and Witko could not be re-signed or act as the 14th forward again. If Holland made that trade, next season's D corps could possibly look like this:

Dahlin, Montour, Daley, DD, Jensen, Hicketts then E as #7. 

[krsmith17 7,191]

2 minutes ago, chaps80 said:

Rangers in the market for a goalie apparently, with the King no longer the King, and Pavelec being, well, Pavelec.

Possible options are Hammond and...Mrazek? I dunno how much faith I put into these rumours. They’re usually fluff pieces. But why would Holland move Mrazek now, just as he has seemed to have found his game again? Too early to consider that move imo. 

I'd be shocked if the Rangers are actually in the market for a goaltender. Unless they're willing to move Lundqvist (which I doubt), I don't see it. Certainly not for a $4M goalie. Hammond might make a bit of sense, but I'd be a surprised if they're looking for a replacement for Lundqvist at this point. Sure, he's taken a step back, but he's still one of the better goaltenders in the league.

I do agree though, it's too early to give up on Mrazek (again)... If we're trading a goalie, my hope is that it's Howard. He's been unreal when healthy, and assuming he can stay healthy, he could be a good trade chip for a team that should be re-building...

[LeftWinger 4,953]

10 minutes ago, chaps80 said:

Rangers in the market for a goalie apparently, with the King no longer the King, and Pavelec being, well, Pavelec.

Possible options are Hammond and...Mrazek? I dunno how much faith I put into these rumours. They’re usually fluff pieces. But why would Holland move Mrazek now, just as he has seemed to have found his game again? Too early to consider that move imo. 

Well you have to figure that one of Howard/Mrazek will not be here next season. You also have to figure the Henrik will be the #1 as long as he wants to. So, if you're the Rangers, do you prefer Mrazek who will want to be #1 or would you prefer Howard (home state kid) that wouldn't cost you as much as Mrazek would to re-sign and probably be very happy playing there sharing the net.  Not that Howard wouldn't want to be #1 somewhere, but it is his home state and he may just be easier to trade there.  Also, his stock is probably as high as its going to be this season, so he may garner a better draft pick in return.

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

15 minutes ago, chaps80 said:

Rangers in the market for a goalie apparently, with the King no longer the King, and Pavelec being, well, Pavelec.

Possible options are Hammond and...Mrazek? I dunno how much faith I put into these rumours. They’re usually fluff pieces. But why would Holland move Mrazek now, just as he has seemed to have found his game again? Too early to consider that move imo. 

Lol what buffoon is spreading this? Eklund?

Rags already have 10 million tied up in goalies, and have like 2 million something in cap space. They're not adding anyone significant, let alone Mrazek.

 

[LeftWinger 4,953]

Plus you have to figure (hope actually) that whether or not Holland is GM next season, he has to already be looing at ways to shed some more salary for next season. If Larkin and Mantha keep up their 70 point pace and finish leading the team in scoring, it's gonna cost them a bit more that AA to re-sign those two. We may be talking bridge deals that pay no less than $4M each. Especially if they hit 70 points...it could be even higher. Holland needs to shed salary and dealing away one of the goalies, Tatar or Nyquist, and possibly Helm,he needs to. The GM next season will need all the cap he can get!

BTW, I want to say again that Tatar's NTC doesn't kick in until next season, so he is very tradable right now.

[krsmith17 7,191]

3 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

I too would welcome a trade to Anaheim.  I am convinced Holland will never trade Nyquist, but maybe he'd be willing to trade Tatar. He's a little bigger, and usually is more of a scorer than Nyquist.  Either one though would work for me. I think Anaheim may be interested more in Tatar because he is already signed. If they traded for Nyquist, they may have to pay him MORE than Tatar if they want to re-sign him.

I really wish Holland would realize that its time to deal in the best interest of the future.  He has to know his D is horrible right now, and while Mondour and Bieska woudln't turn us into instant contenders, Bieska more than likely would not be re-signed, but having Mondour in the system, along with Cholowski and Hicketts, et al. would be wonderful for our future.  Tank all you want, the odds of 1st overall are still pretty stacked against you. But even if they did get it, having Dahlin in that mix is only brighter! Kronwall can retire after the season, Green could be traded at the deadline, E could be our #7 since nobody would want him and his contract. XO would be dealt and Witko could not be re-signed or act as the 14th forward again. If Holland made that trade, next season's D corps could possibly look like this:

Dahlin, Montour, Daley, DD, Jensen, Hicketts then E as #7. 

Nyquist is actually a little bigger than Tatar, not the other way around. Nyquist is the better player in my opinion, and is being paid $5.5M less. The shorter term would actually be a positive to most teams. I think teams may be a little reluctant to trade for Tatar after signing that big contract. Both have value, but Nyquist would have a little more in my opinion. You're right though, I doubt Holland will ever trade either. Why else would he give every player and their dogs NTC's / NMC's...

I believe Montour has top pair potential. I'm not sure we have any other defensemen with that sort of ceiling outside of Cholowski. Maybe Hronek gets there, but I see him as more of a top 4 defenseman. We need to trade for a young defenseman with high-end potential in the worst kind of way. We have the pieces, we just don't have the GM to pull it off...

[LeftWinger 4,953]

2 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Lol what buffoon is spreading this? Eklund?

Rags already have 10 million tied up in goalies, and have like 2 million something in cap space. They're not adding anyone significant, let alone Mrazek.

 

Ahhh, did not know their cap situation.  Ya, don't see them wanting either of our guys.  But it still doesn't change the fact that come next season we cannot have both Howard and Mrazek. That cap space is crucial! 

1 minute ago, krsmith17 said:

Nyquist is actually a little bigger than Tatar, not the other way around. Nyquist is the better player in my opinion, and is being paid $5.5M less. The shorter term would actually be a positive to most teams. I think teams may be a little reluctant to trade for Tatar after signing that big contract. Both have value, but Nyquist would have a little more in my opinion. You're right though, I doubt Holland will ever trade either. Why else would he give every player and their dogs NTC's / NMC's...

I believe Montour has top pair potential. I'm not sure we have any other defensemen with that sort of ceiling outside of Cholowski. Maybe Hronek gets there, but I see him as more of a top 4 defenseman. We need to trade for a young defenseman with high-end potential in the worst kind of way. We have the pieces, we just don't have the GM to pull it off...

He's paying us to play? Well Hell, I love that guy!  Just kidding, I know you meant $.5M less...

[chaps80 1,591]

5 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

I'd be shocked if the Rangers are actually in the market for a goaltender. Unless they're willing to move Lundqvist (which I doubt), I don't see it. Certainly not for a $4M goalie. Hammond might make a bit of sense, but I'd be a surprised if they're looking for a replacement for Lundqvist at this point. Sure, he's taken a step back, but he's still one of the better goaltenders in the league.

I do agree though, it's too early to give up on Mrazek (again)... If we're trading a goalie, my hope is that it's Howard. He's been unreal when healthy, and assuming he can stay healthy, he could be a good trade chip for a team that should be re-building...

No I don’t think it’s Lundqvist they’re too worried about. He can tills play at a high level. It’s more the backup spot they want to improve. I dunno how Pavelec keeps getting chances in this league. Hammond would make sense in that regard. Highly doubt they’d want a 4 million plus backup in Mrazek. No reason for Holland to move him anyways. “ Hmm, he’s getting his s*** together, trade time!”

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[krsmith17 7,191]

2 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

Ahhh, did not know their cap situation.  Ya, don't see them wanting either of our guys.  But it still doesn't change the fact that come next season we cannot have both Howard and Mrazek. That cap space is crucial! 

He's paying us to play? Well Hell, I love that guy!  Just kidding, I know you meant $.5M less...

Yeah, my bad... $550K.

[LeftWinger 4,953]

I agree, tanking or not, it's no guarantee for Dahlin.  Holland needs to trade for that top guy, and he needs to be on the phone talking to clubs about their needs for the now, for a run to the Cup.  Just like we used to do back in the day.  We'd trade for that vet to put us over the top, even if it cost us a young player with potential or 1st round pick. It's our turn to trade the vets for the young player with potential or 1st round picks.

I see no issue in acquiring Montour for Nyquist and throwing XO in there to take Bieska;s salary off their hands. IMO, that is not a pipe dream, but a good hockey deal for Anaheim.

[chaps80 1,591]

10 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Lol what buffoon is spreading this? Eklund?

Rags already have 10 million tied up in goalies, and have like 2 million something in cap space. They're not adding anyone significant, let alone Mrazek.

 

Typical Hockeyfeed fluff piece. Not reputable.