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1 minute ago, krsmith17 said:

Straight up? I wouldn't think twice.

Right?  

With Faulk you know what you're getting... AA's upper limit is still debatable/TBD ... No brainer.  Couldn't possibly be that easy.

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Reading tweets and saw it's been confirmed Yzerman was personally in attendance at the last 2 Red Wings home games.

I think it's clear at this point Yzerman is figuring out what he wants from us. The reports of Wings scouts at lightning games is probably just the Red Wings doing their due diligence before a deal gets worked out, e.g. If Yzerman decides to put a roster player on the table during negotiation, we gotta know who we want and who we don't want.

Ken and Steve are gonna make a deal

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23 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

AA and Larkin have wheels.  You dont want to give up that kind of speed.

Do you think Faulk is slow? He's not as fast as Athanasiou, but he's a great skater. He puts up similar points as AA from the back end. A Faulk type player is exactly what this team should be looking for. I'd still prefer to go after a Foote or Fabbro because I don't think they'd cost as much. But again, if we could get him for Athanasiou straight up, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

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25 minutes ago, Dominator2005 said:

I could see Yzerman's interest in Green and Mrazek (Budaj is out). 

I would like to get Foote for Green (maybe small add) but knowing KH trade skills... we could end up with Callahan instead.

Im guessing it'll be Tampa's 2nd rounder this year and an average prospect. I'd like a 1st, but I'm not optimistic considering the GMs involved. 

2 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

AA and Larkin have wheels.  You dont want to give up that kind of speed.

Speed is something this team has, making AA more expendable. Plus I dont see him developing into a center, which makes him less valuable. A dman of Faulks age and caliber is far more valuable to this team than a speedy one way winger. 

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51 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Im guessing it'll be Tampa's 2nd rounder this year and an average prospect. I'd like a 1st, but I'm not optimistic considering the GMs involved. 

Speed is something this team has, making AA more expendable. Plus I dont see him developing into a center, which makes him less valuable. A dman of Faulks age and caliber is far more valuable to this team than a speedy one way winger. 

If Holland accepts that, he's a bigger idiot than once thought. A 2nd from Tampa is a 3rd. A 2nd AND Foote? Doable.

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Personally I would do this trade in a heartbeat. The only concern I have is the cap hit which is roughly 5mil. If we bring Faulk in, hopefully we can move out someone like a Howard, E, Helm, Daley etc.

6 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

If Holland accepts that, he's a bigger idiot than once thought. A 2nd from Tampa is a 3rd. A 2nd AND Foote? Doable.

Which trade makes him an idiot?

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1 minute ago, kliq said:

Personally I would do this trade in a heartbeat. The only concern I have is the cap hit which is roughly 5mil. If we bring Faulk in, hopefully we can move out someone like a Howard, E, Helm, Daley etc.

Which trade makes him an idiot?

Green for a 2nd and mid level prospect. Like I said, a 2nd from Tampa is a 3rd. Heck, a 1st is a 2nd. Holland holds all the cards. If it's true that 4-5 teams want him, get the best deal, and it won't be a (basically) a 3rd and a mid level prospect. Green could be the piece that wins them a Cup, that's 1st round territory right there. Holland better not accept anything less unless it includes a top prospect.

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AA for Faulk? Yes. Or AA for Hanifan who also has been rumored to be available. I like Faulk, always have. He turns 26 in March so his best years are still ahead of him. In his last 3 full seasons he has scored 15 goals, 16, goals, and 17 goals. From the BL! Rhed shot and is signed for 2 more full seasons. Which gives us time to let more high end waste of money contracts expire: Nyquist, Kronwall, Ericsson, Mrazek, Howard, and Daley will all be gone/expired by that time. Plenty of time to resign him.

No he is not a #1. He is a very good #2.

Yes AA is fast. he is an exciting player. But will he ever be more than a breakaway specialist? He isn't much of a play maker or passer, which is why he has more goals than assists each year. Will he ever score 25 goals in a season? Heck will he score 20 in a season? Hasn't yet. He is only a couple of years younger than Faulk and plays F which is a position we have some depth and talent at, while we have almost none on the BL. This could be a good trade for each team.

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After looking into it a bit more, I have concerns. So far this season he only has 19 points in 54 games and is -19. 
 
To put that in perspective, a broke down Kronwall has 13 points in 49 games and is -7. 
 
I havent looked at advanced stats yet, but for a guy that from what I know is known for his offense, you would think he production would be at least in the 20's by now. He has pretty much regressed every year over the past 4 years.
 
Here are his stat lines:
 
In 2015 he scored 49 points in 82 games which is good for .60 PPG
In 2016 he scored 37 points in 64 games which is good for .58 PPG
In 2017 he scored 37 points in 75 games which is good for .49 PPG
In 2018 again he has 19 points in 54 games which is good for .35 PPG
 
He also has a caphit of almost 5 mil, I think I would rather trade AA for someone a bit younger who is on the way up, not the way down.
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1 hour ago, kliq said:
After looking into it a bit more, I have concerns. So far this season he only has 19 points in 54 games and is -19. 
 
To put that in perspective, a broke down Kronwall has 13 points in 49 games and is -7. 
 
I havent looked at advanced stats yet, but for a guy that from what I know is known for his offense, you would think he production would be at least in the 20's by now. He has pretty much regressed every year over the past 4 years.
 
Here are his stat lines:
 
In 2015 he scored 49 points in 82 games which is good for .60 PPG
In 2016 he scored 37 points in 64 games which is good for .58 PPG
In 2017 he scored 37 points in 75 games which is good for .49 PPG
In 2018 again he has 19 points in 54 games which is good for .35 PPG
 
He also has a caphit of almost 5 mil, I think I would rather trade AA for someone a bit younger who is on the way up, not the way down.

I'm with ya on this one, I don't understand the huge interest in him

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10 hours ago, Richdg said:

AA for Faulk? Yes.

No.

15 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Reading tweets and saw it's been confirmed Yzerman was personally in attendance at the last 2 Red Wings home games.

I think it's clear at this point Yzerman is figuring out what he wants from us. The reports of Wings scouts at lightning games is probably just the Red Wings doing their due diligence before a deal gets worked out, e.g. If Yzerman decides to put a roster player on the table during negotiation, we gotta know who we want and who we don't want.

Ken and Steve are gonna make a deal

Yzermam was at the last two Red Wings games because he wanted to see the team he’s going to take over as GM.

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No to AA for Faulk. We need a D that will turn this franchise around. Dahlin. If we get the #1, we'll have that D and AA.  I've read Dahlin described as a player who will turn a franchise around. Faulk has not turned Carolina into anything, nor has he ever been described that way. Not worth AA. 

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7 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

3rd.  I like Faulk.  But Ive never seen him as a game changer.  Just a defenseman that can jump into the play well.

Faulk is the definition of a game changer from the back end. He's constantly making plays in the offensive zone. Like any offensive defenseman, that can sometimes hurt the team in other ways. I'll admit that I hadn't realized he has regressed point wise, so that's a bit of a concern. But at just 25 years old, there's still room for growth. Maybe a change of scenery gets him back on track. I still make the trade.

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why the hell would you trade AA for faulk makes no sense. AA is a game changer. hes playing great offensively and defensively now 

erik karlsson or ryan mcdonagh should be linked to AA not faulk. ;)

none the less i am willing to trade anyone for dahlin. including aa mantha larkin 

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50 minutes ago, MileHighWingsGuy said:

I swear this board and franchise just won't be happy until AA, the one guy worth watching every night is traded or off the roster.

I doubt a single person in the organization or a single fan "wants" to trade Athanasiou (I certainly don't), but you have to give to get. What is our biggest weakness? Top two defensemen. What is our biggest strength? Middle six wingers. Who are our best trading chips? Mantha and Athanasiou. I'd personally rather keep Mantha over AA, but that's just me. Again, Faulk probably wouldn't be my first choice, but he would be a great add for a team that lacks high end offensive defensemen (outside of Green). If we could trade a Nyquist or Tatar for a similar player, or a Foote or Fabbro, I'd be ecstatic, but unfortunately I think it would take more than that...

6 minutes ago, brett said:

why the hell would you trade AA for faulk makes no sense. AA is a game changer. hes playing great offensively and defensively  

erik karlsson or ryan mcdonagh should be linked to AA not ******* faulk.

none the less i am willing to trade anyone for dahlin. including aa mantha larkin 

Faulk is also a game changer. He has the exact same points per game as Athanasiou from the back end. Sure, Athanasiou's will likely increase over the next couple years, but probably not significantly. Athanasiou isn't "great" offensively and defensively. I'd say he's good offensively and mediocre defensively. Again, he'll likely improve in moth categories, but he's not there yet.

Haha you actually think Athanasiou could get us Erik Karlsson? Yeah, maybe with our 1st round (top 5) pick in this year's draft...

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1 minute ago, BigWillieStyle said:

Looks like someone became available after getting called out on TV during last night's NBCSN matchup. That didn't last long.

 

https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2018/02/brendan-smith-marcus-kruger-josh-jooris-placed-on-waivers.html

Wow, a Top 4 puck-mover on waivers? What's going on in NY?

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