LeftWinger 4,951 Report post Posted August 12, 2021 21 hours ago, diehardredwingsfan58 said: I'd agree if Jack Eichel were totally healthy, But with a herniated disc in his neck. he's not getting that kind of return. Miraculous healing once traded from Buffalo. Can't risk it. You gotta get one of those two back. Imagine a line of those three? Nope, not even gonna give that a chance to happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted August 13, 2021 3 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Buffalo has a strong hockey following, but its still a smaller market. And pulling fans from the other side of the border doesnt work for the Sabres, like it does the Bills, as Buffalo is located so close to the most popular hockey team in the world. Buffalo is also a blue collar city, so enticing fans to shell out a couple hundred bucks to attend a game, isn't an easy thing to do. Perhaps their biggest problem is ownership. Pegula may be the 2nd worst NHL owner behind only Melnyk. And since dung balls run down hill, it's not surprising this team has been bad for a while. Arizona is different tho. It was a large market with a lot of money to spend. Phoenix's population was booming at the time the Jets were relocated there. And although the native population were not hockey fans, the league was counting on the influx of ex-pats from Northern markets to generate support for the team and fill the seats. Essentially the same plan that was used for the Vegas expansion. But there were major hurdles for AZ that Vegas didn't have. First is the arena issue. It was built in Glendale, a NW suburb of Phoenix. The Phoenix Metropolitan Area has 4.5 million residents spread out over 6 different cities. It is vast. And many of the fans attending the games were driving from the East Valley Area, which was a long commute to attend games. If they had built their arena in a better location, like downtown Phoenix, like the Suns, the drive would have been much more palatable for even casual fans. But that was never going to happen since the city of Phoenix was not going to pay to erect 2 arenas. But Scottsdale or Tempe would have been much better options. The Coyotes also started off with bad ownership and management, and a mediocre team on the ice, which did nothing to generate a bigger local fan base. Vegas found almost immediate success because they were superior in all of those areas from day one. With a new billionaire owner, who has a strong history of successful turnarounds, I think the Arizona Coyotes will finally succeed in the desert SW, just as Vegas did. So long as they can get the arena issues resolved, and bring in better management. Both of which I think will get taken care of very soon, if Alex Meruelo's past business ventures serve as a predictor. Nobody asked for a history lesson here Poindexter... 1 13dangledangle reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Lucidi 443 Report post Posted August 13, 2021 8 minutes ago, F.Michael said: Nobody asked for a history lesson here Poindexter... what a dick! 2 AtlantaHotWings and F.Michael reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted August 13, 2021 (edited) 48 minutes ago, F.Michael said: Nobody asked for a history lesson here Poindexter... Hey. I was home, without power, and bored. Don't you feel smarter now tho? Edited August 13, 2021 by Neomaxizoomdweebie 2 13dangledangle and Scott R Lucidi reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted August 13, 2021 49 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said: Really surprised Carolina isnt talking to him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted September 10, 2021 So the 'yotes may or may not be shopping Chychrun and asking for two 1sts. Now, before you jump all over me and say our 2022 1st is too valuable and we need a centerman not a defenseman, I want you to consider the following: Chychrun - Seider Edvinsson - Hronek If that's your top four, you can win a Cup with Larkin as your 1C. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Lucidi 443 Report post Posted September 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, Dabura said: So the 'yotes may or may not be shopping Chychrun and asking for two 1sts. Now, before you jump all over me and say our 2022 1st is too valuable and we need a centerman not a defenseman, I want you to consider the following: Chychrun - Seider Edvinsson - Hronek If that's your top four, you can win a Cup with Larkin as your 1C. What if we offer this: 2022 2nd Round Pick 2023 First (Protected Top 5 - Gets Moved Back a Year if We Have a Top 5 Pick, Phoenix Gets Our 2023 2nd Round Pick as Compensation) 2024 First (Gets Moved Back a Year if 2023 Pick Gets Moved Back) 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted September 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said: What if we offer this: 2022 2nd Round Pick 2023 First (Protected Top 5 - Gets Moved Back a Year if We Have a Top 5 Pick, Phoenix Gets Our 2023 2nd Round Pick as Compensation) 2024 First (Gets Moved Back a Year if 2023 Pick Gets Moved Back) Sure, why not. Alternatively: Our '22 1st (top 2 protection; pick would change to our '23 1st (no protection) and we'd add our '22 2nd) WSH's '22 2nd Berggren 1 Scott R Lucidi reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted September 11, 2021 20 hours ago, Dabura said: So the 'yotes may or may not be shopping Chychrun and asking for two 1sts. Now, before you jump all over me and say our 2022 1st is too valuable and we need a centerman not a defenseman, I want you to consider the following: Chychrun - Seider Edvinsson - Hronek If that's your top four, you can win a Cup with Larkin as your 1C. You could also win a Cup by drafting a top 4 D and top 6 centerman with the 2 1st round picks you gave up for 1 guy. 1 LeftWinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted September 11, 2021 3 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: You could also win a Cup by drafting a top 4 D and top 6 centerman with the 2 1st round picks you gave up for 1 guy. Svechnikov and Smith? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted September 12, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said: Svechnikov and Smith? Svech was a 19th overall and Smith was 27th. Considering that 1: Svech and Smith were Holland picks and 2: Yzerman's next 2 first round picks will be in the top 10-15, I doubt we'll be drafting a Svech and Smith with those picks. I trust Yzerman to get 2 players with those picks that are better than Chychrn. If not individually, at least combined. Edited September 12, 2021 by Neomaxizoomdweebie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted September 12, 2021 7 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: You could also win a Cup by drafting a top 4 D and top 6 centerman with the 2 1st round picks you gave up for 1 guy. Sure, if we're talking two top-five picks. If we're *not* talking two top-five picks, I have to strongly consider going with the 23-year-old high-scoring top-pairing left-shot 6'2 defenseman who's on a great-value contract ($4.6M cap hit) until 2025. Now, granted, I'm keenly aware that the real point I'm making is "Arizona will not be trading Chychrun, because he's a 23-year-old high-scoring top-pairing left-shot 6'2 defenseman who's on a great-value contract ($4.6M cap hit) until 2025." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted September 12, 2021 (edited) On 9/11/2021 at 8:22 PM, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Svech was a 19th overall and Smith was 27th. Considering that 1: Svech and Smith were Holland picks and 2: Yzerman's next 2 first round picks will be in the top 10-15, I doubt we'll be drafting a Svech and Smith with those picks. I trust Yzerman to get 2 players with those picks that are better than Chychrn. If not individually, at least combined. Fair. But I'll point out that Yzerman took Koekkoekk at 10 and then took Drouin at 3 the very next year. And I'll note that all of the best players Yzerman drafted were taken outside the top 15... Cirelli - 72 DeAngelo - 19 Gusev - 202 Kucherov - 58 Namestnikov - 27 Palat - 208 Point - 79 Vasilevskiy - 19 For what it's worth, there's only one defenseman on that list. Indeed, none of the following defensemen were drafted by Yzerman: Cernak (trade) Coburn (trade) Hedman (inherited by Yzerman) McDonagh (trade) Sergachev (trade) Chychrun would be a great long-term partner for Seider (at least in theory). Also, he'd give us a solid PP QB on the blue line and a lethal shot from distance. Just sayin'. Edited September 13, 2021 by Dabura 1 BarkBurgerman reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,951 Report post Posted September 12, 2021 23 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said: Svechnikov and Smith? Ken Holland is no longer around to screw things and draft picks up... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,951 Report post Posted September 12, 2021 (edited) All that being said, I'd offer them a top 5 protected 2022 1st (protected to 2023) and then the following 1st no matter what. So, if the 2022 first is #6 or after then they get the 22 and 23 1st round picks(no matter where 23 lands.) If the 22 pick is #1-#5 then they get the 2023 and 2024 1st (neither of which would be protected) Edited September 13, 2021 by LeftWinger 1 Jonas Mahonas reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted September 15, 2021 Other than this last shortened season, Chychurn hasn't played a full season yet. I'm not saying I wouldn't trade for him because of that, but I'd be skeptical of giving up two firsts and definitely use it to try to drive down his price some. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted September 15, 2021 On 9/12/2021 at 2:45 PM, LeftWinger said: All that being said, I'd offer them a top 5 protected 2022 1st (protected to 2023) and then the following 1st no matter what. So, if the 2022 first is #6 or after then they get the 22 and 23 1st round picks(no matter where 23 lands.) If the 22 pick is #1-#5 then they get the 2023 and 2024 1st (neither of which would be protected) sounds like what I said! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted September 16, 2021 On 9/12/2021 at 5:45 PM, LeftWinger said: All that being said, I'd offer them a top 5 protected 2022 1st (protected to 2023) and then the following 1st no matter what. So, if the 2022 first is #6 or after then they get the 22 and 23 1st round picks(no matter where 23 lands.) If the 22 pick is #1-#5 then they get the 2023 and 2024 1st (neither of which would be protected) We got Chris Chelios for 2 late 1st round picks and Anders Eriksson. No way I am giving up 2 early 1st round picks for a guy who will doubtfully ever be that good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted October 6, 2021 Heard we are looking at Getzlaf on the cheap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wings3:16 318 Report post Posted October 6, 2021 9 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said: Heard we are looking at Getzlaf on the cheap. Did he not already sign with the Ducks? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,749 Report post Posted October 6, 2021 10 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said: Heard we are looking at Getzlaf on the cheap. 1 hour ago, Wings3:16 said: Did he not already sign with the Ducks? Scotts source= his dog Buck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted October 6, 2021 Buck is saying 1 year, 2 mil in 2022-23. 1 Akakabuto reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diehardredwingsfan58 123 Report post Posted October 9, 2021 On 10/5/2021 at 10:47 PM, Jonas Mahonas said: Heard we are looking at Getzlaf on the cheap. Pretty hard to get Getzlaf, Considering he already resigned back with the Ducks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted October 10, 2021 On 10/6/2021 at 8:26 AM, Akakabuto said: Scotts source= his dog Buck. Eat your heart out Elliott Friedman… 2 Akakabuto and Jonas Mahonas reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted October 12, 2021 9 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said: Kravtsov didn't make the Rangers and has been given permission to talk to other teams for trades Since Drury has a grit n toughness boner..... Bertuzzi for Kravstov and NYR 1st 1 BarkBurgerman reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
