• Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

Dabura

Rumors Thread

Rate this topic

Recommended Posts

56 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

I always wondered what happened to that guy. He was a hilarious Mod. Like Cartman when he's the hallway monitor. Harold once tried to suspend me for saying something that he had literally said a page or two earlier in the thread. When I appealed the ban and showed the other mods, and Matt, that he had used the same language earlier in the thread he accused me of using a "different tone" than he had used. The word he wanted to be me for? "Slappy".

He would lose his beans when I would defend Franzen to the death lol

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
56 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

I always wondered what happened to that guy. He was a hilarious Mod. Like Cartman when he's the hallway monitor. Harold once tried to suspend me for saying something that he had literally said a page or two earlier in the thread. When I appealed the ban and showed the other mods, and Matt, that he had used the same language earlier in the thread he accused me of using a "different tone" than he had used. The word he wanted to be me for? "Slappy".

Fawk man. Slappy is used as a conjunction here these days. If they only knew back then how unimportant their jobs were.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Fawk man. Slappy is used as a conjunction here these days. If they only knew back then how unimportant their jobs were.

Is it really a job when he cleans up my s*** posts for free?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

To EDM: Greiss (50% retained) + Leddy (50% retained) + Namestnikov
To DET: Derek Ryan + Kyle Turris + Slater Koekkoek + 1st + 3rd (2023) + 5th

Oilers add only $2.75 mil in cap and fill all their needs.

Wings add a PK forward in Ryan and a depth LHD in Koekkoek for next season. Turris can be dropped after this year.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, bIueadams said:

To EDM: Greiss (50% retained) + Leddy (50% retained) + Namestnikov
To DET: Derek Ryan + Kyle Turris + Slater Koekkoek + 1st + 3rd (2023) + 5th

Oilers add only $2.75 mil in cap and fill all their needs.

Wings add a PK forward in Ryan and a depth LHD in Koekkoek for next season. Turris can be dropped after this year.

Lopsided in Oilers favor imo. I feel those 3 players on expiring contracts with salary retention should net those 3 picks without taking back bad players with term. Giving up all 3 of those players Id be asking for Broberg/Holloway.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, redw1ngs said:

Lopsided in Oilers favor imo. I feel those 3 players on expiring contracts with salary retention should net those 3 picks without taking back bad players with term. Giving up all 3 of those players Id be asking for Broberg/Holloway.

Greiss + Leddy + Namestnikov + as much salary retention as possible for Broberg.

 

Yes please.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, bIueadams said:

To EDM: Greiss (50% retained) + Leddy (50% retained) + Namestnikov
To DET: Derek Ryan + Kyle Turris + Slater Koekkoek + 1st + 3rd (2023) + 5th

Oilers add only $2.75 mil in cap and fill all their needs.

Wings add a PK forward in Ryan and a depth LHD in Koekkoek for next season. Turris can be dropped after this year.

Pretty sure Yguy can only do one more salary retention this year. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
25 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Pretty sure Yguy can only do one more salary retention this year. 

No you can do 3. Panik is the only one on our books.

2 hours ago, redw1ngs said:

Lopsided in Oilers favor imo. I feel those 3 players on expiring contracts with salary retention should net those 3 picks without taking back bad players with term. Giving up all 3 of those players Id be asking for Broberg/Holloway.

Oilers need to send back cap in order to make a deal work. It's sort of a necessity.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
12 minutes ago, bIueadams said:

No you can do 3. Panik is the only one on our books.

Oilers need to send back cap in order to make a deal work. It's sort of a necessity.

Sure but that means we need better pieces coming back.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 hours ago, redw1ngs said:

Sure but that means we need better pieces coming back.

Can't say I agree. I thought out the compensation pretty logically. 

>Leddy went to us for a 2nd + 50% Panik

Pretty safe to assume we can get a low 1st in exchange for Leddy at 50%

>Namestnikov has in the past been traded once for a 4th at the TDL, and again for a 4th + low end prospect at a 2nd TDL. 

Pretty safe to assume that - with how cheap and well he's performing right now - we can get a 3rd for him.

>That leaves 50% Greiss + the EDM depth players + the 5th

Greiss isn't much of, if it all, an upgrade for them. It's depth goaltending. Turris + Ryan + Koekkoek aren't valueless either. These are depth contributors for them that aren't on dump level contracts. Taking back 3 depth skaters and a 5th for a goalie , who's probably done at the NHL level this summer, I think is beyond generous of them to give Detroit.

The reason I think my hypothetical trade gets rejected is because they're not interested in Greiss at all. In that case I think Turris + Koekkoek + 1st + 3rd for 50% Leddy + Namestnikov would be the deal to make. We get our picks and Koekkoek as a depth Dman next year (SY drafted him). EDM only adds $2.2 in cap. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Turris and Ryan are s***tier versions of Gagner and Koek is a s***tier version of Oesterle. Why would we take on s***tier versions of players we already have with no extra compensation?

If you think Leddy Namestikov and Greiss are worth those picks imo we shouldnt be taking on bad players/salary. If Oilers arent willing to give up a young player/prospect Id look for a different trade partner even if its 3 seperete trades. Just my 2 cents.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, redw1ngs said:

Turris and Ryan are s***tier versions of Gagner and Koek is a s***tier version of Oesterle.

Yes.

3 hours ago, redw1ngs said:

Why would we take on s***tier versions of players we already have with no extra compensation?

Because Oilers can't make the deal work without sending Cap back.

3 hours ago, redw1ngs said:

If you think Leddy Namestikov and Greiss are worth those picks imo we shouldnt be taking on bad players/salary. If Oilers arent willing to give up a young player/prospect Id look for a different trade partner even if its 3 seperete trades. Just my 2 cents.

The only questionable contract/player to obtain in my original scenario is Derek Ryan. Turris you can use as a 4th liner or healthy scratch for a few months, then he's UFA. Koekkoek is just another cheap Biega. He can play 7th D for us next year. And we do need LHD depth next year.

Ryan has 1 more year left of a $1.25 cap hit, and it's not a 35+ contract. So literally we can just waive and bury him in the minors. But honestly I'd expect Yzerman to just trade him for future considerations or buy him out in the off season if he really doesn't want him as a 13th forward filling a Rowney role. We will have no limitations on cap, and just saving the real dollars is probably worth it to the organization.

Like I said, if you have a problem with that contract, just toss out him and Griess.

Edited by bIueadams

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
56 minutes ago, bIueadams said:

Yes.

Because Oilers can't make the deal work without sending Cap back.

The only questionable contract/player to obtain in my original scenario is Derek Ryan. Turris you can use as a 4th liner or healthy scratch for a few months, then he's UFA. Koekkoek is just another cheap Biega. He can play 7th D for us next year. And we do need LHD depth next year.

Ryan has 1 more year left of a $1.25 cap hit, and it's not a 35+ contract. So literally we can just waive and bury him in the minors. But honestly I'd expect Yzerman to just trade him for future considerations or buy him out in the off season if he really doesn't want him as a 13th forward filling a Rowney role. We will have no limitations on cap, and just saving the real dollars is probably worth it to the organization.

Like I said, if you have a problem with that contract, just toss out him and Griess.

If we are getting Broberg, this works.  If not, I'd pass.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, bIueadams said:

Yes.

Because Oilers can't make the deal work without sending Cap back.

The only questionable contract/player to obtain in my original scenario is Derek Ryan. Turris you can use as a 4th liner or healthy scratch for a few months, then he's UFA. Koekkoek is just another cheap Biega. He can play 7th D for us next year. And we do need LHD depth next year.

Ryan has 1 more year left of a $1.25 cap hit, and it's not a 35+ contract. So literally we can just waive and bury him in the minors. But honestly I'd expect Yzerman to just trade him for future considerations or buy him out in the off season if he really doesn't want him as a 13th forward filling a Rowney role. We will have no limitations on cap, and just saving the real dollars is probably worth it to the organization.

Like I said, if you have a problem with that contract, just toss out him and Griess.

That sounds more like a Holland problem then a Yzerman problem. I dont think Yzerman will be in the business of helping out another gm even his old buddy Kenny by taking bad players.

This team eventually needs to stop signing bad filler players and go after some big name ufas. We dont need Turris Ryan or Koekkoek.

13 minutes ago, bIueadams said:

Oilers need to clear cap space. You can probably still include Broberg, we just won't be getting that 1st round pick coming back if that's the case.

Also need to start targeting prospects rather then picks so yea Broberg makes more sense imo.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
35 minutes ago, redw1ngs said:

That sounds more like a Holland problem then a Yzerman problem. I dont think Yzerman will be in the business of helping out another gm even his old buddy Kenny by taking bad players.

So let me get this straight... Holland offers you Broberg + 3rd for Leddy (50%) + Namestnikov... and you say no, because he also needs to toss in Turris and Koekkoek to make the deal work?

35 minutes ago, redw1ngs said:

This team eventually needs to stop signing bad filler players and go after some big name ufas. We dont need Turris Ryan or Koekkoek.

I mean, I really don't want to get into debating the entire concept of why a team needs depth players, but yes we could actually use a guy like Koekkoek, and his presence in no way stops us from signing "big name UFAs". Koekkoek is a career 7th Dman who's going to fill the role of a cheap injury replacement like Biega, Witkowski, Bowey, Marchenko for one season.

LHD
Edvinsson
UFA
Oesterle
Koekkoek

Turris would be here a couple months - you can scratch him if you like - then he's gone.

Ryan can be dealt, sunk, bought out. It's not really a big deal.

I'm shocked this is your hang up. Do you think Yzerman wanted Richard Panik? No, he was a cap dump by WSH to make the Mantha deal work. Do you think Holland wanted Joe Vitale coming back when he traded Datsyuk? No, it was just a minor contract to make the deal work.

Edited by bIueadams

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
15 minutes ago, bIueadams said:

So let me get this straight... Holland offers you Broberg + 3rd for Leddy (50%) + Namestnikov... and you say no, because he also needs to toss in Turris and Koekkoek to make the deal work?

I mean, I really don't want to get into debating the entire concept of why a team needs depth players, but yes we could actually use a guy like Koekkoek, and his presence in no way stops us from signing "big name UFAs". Koekkoek is a career 7th Dman who's going to fill the role of a cheap injury replacement like Biega, Witkowski, Bowey, Marchenko for one season.

LHD
Edvinsson
UFA
Oesterle
Koekkoek

Turris would be here a couple months - you can scratch him if you like - then he's gone.

Ryan can be dealt, sunk, bought out. It's not really a big deal.

I'm shocked this is your hang up. Do you think Yzerman wanted Richard Panik? No, he was a cap dump by WSH to make the Mantha deal work. Do you think Holland wanted Joe Vitale coming back when he traded Datsyuk? No, it was just a minor contract to make the deal work.

I said no to your original trade package which included Greiss and Ryan and had a 1st not Broberg. I said Broberg in that deal makes more sense then the 1st.

This team doesnt lack depth players they lack good depth players. None of the players in discussion are better then the depth players we already have.

My hangup isnt taking on bad players its taking on bad players without proper compensation. We agree the picks coming back are fair value taking salary retention in consideration so if edm need to shed salary it should cost them more. imo that would be bumping that 1st to Broberg/Holloway.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'd rather have a 1st than Broberg. He'd be 3rd or 4th on our LHD depth chart, and I recall reading recently that Edmonton is less than enthused by him so far. We need centers. I really don't want any premium assets that aren't centers or picks we can use on centers. We're absolutely stacked at LHD.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now