kliq 3,763 Report post Posted March 7, 2018 Interesting: https://www.tsn.ca/the-players-have-spoken-crosby-mcdavid-headline-nhlpa-poll-1.1020078 The full results of the Player Poll are as follows: Who is the league's fastest skater? Connor McDavid - 81.0%Michael Grabner - 3.6%Nick Leddy - 2.4%Dylan Larkin - 2.2%Chris Kreider - 1.6% (Skaters only): Which goalie is the most difficult to score on? Carey Price - 41.0%Jonathan Quick - 12.1%Pekka Rinne - 9.3%Sergei Bobrovsky - 8.2%Braden Holtby - 5.0% Who is the most difficult player to play against? Sidney Crosby - 29.9%Connor McDavid - 23.7%Patrick Kane - 4.6%Shea Weber - 4.1%Anze Kopitar - 3.2% Who is the toughest player? Ryan Reaves - 44.7%Milan Lucic - 14.8%Zdeno Chara - 4.0%Micheal Haley - 3.2%Matt Martin - 2.7% Who is the most underrated player? Nicklas Backstrom - 8.6% Jaden Schwartz - 6.8%Nikita Kucherov - 6.2% Aleksander Barkov - 6% Which player is the best role model? Sidney Crosby - 33.0%Jonathan Toews - 9.6%Patrice Bergeron - 6.0%Shea Weber - 3.1%Patrick Marleau - 2.6% Which player would you select to start a franchise? Connor McDavid - 48.6%Sidney Crosby - 23.8%Auston Matthews - 5.8%Jonathan Toews - 3.1%Erik Karlsson - 1.9% Which coach would you like to play for? Joel Quenneville - 16.5% Jon Cooper - 14.2% Gerard Gallant - 11.6% Mike Babcock - 7.5% Peter Laviolette - 4.9% Which current assistant coach should be the next head coach? D.J. Smith (Toronto Maple Leafs) - 8.3% Todd Reirden (Washington Capitals) - 7.4% Ulf Samuelsson (Chicago Blackhawks) - 5.1%Steve Ott (St. Louis Blues) - 5.1% Lindy Ruff (New York Rangers) - 4.2% Which player would be a great coach once they retire? Sidney Crosby - 5.7%Derek Stepan - 4.5%Jason Spezza - 4.5%Matt Cullen - 4.5%Jonathan Toews - 3.6% Who is the best referee? Wes McCauley - 47.8% Kelly Sutherland - 17.7% Tim Peel - 4.4% Dan O'Halloran - 2.7% Trevor Hanson - 2.7% Which is your favourite rink to play in? Bell Centre (Montreal) - 24.8% United Center (Chicago) - 21.9% Madison Square Garden (New York) - 14.6% Staples Center (Los Angeles) - 5.4% Bridgestone Arena (Nashville) - 4.9% Which rink has the best ice? Bell Centre (Montreal) - 28.0% Rogers Place (Edmonton) - 21.7% Bell MTS Place (Winnipeg) - 6.6% Xcel Energy Center (Saint Paul) - 6.0% Scotiabank Saddledome (Calgary) - 6.0% Which rink has the worst ice? BB&T Center (Sunrise) - 16.8% Gila River Arena (Glendale) - 10.7% Barclays Center (Brooklyn) - 10.7% Honda Center (Anaheim) - 8.6% PNC Arena (Raleigh) - 5.9% Which team (excluding your own) has the best fans? Chicago Blackhawks - 30.4% Nashville Predators - 19.4% Montreal Canadiens - 18.8% Toronto Maple Leafs - 4.8% Winnipeg Jets - 4.3% Who is the best forward of all time? Wayne Gretzky - 72.7% Mario Lemieux - 11.3%Sidney Crosby - 4.9%Jaromir Jagr - 3.1% Peter Forsberg - 2.3% Who is the best defenceman of all time? Bobby Orr - 61% Nicklas Lidstrom - 29.1% Ray Bourque - 2.6% Paul Coffey - 1.8% Scott Niedermayer - 1.3% Who is the best goalie of all time? Patrick Roy - 39.3%Martin Brodeur - 33.2% Dominik Hasek - 13.6%Carey Price - 3.0% Ken Dryden - 3.0% Who is one player, current of former, you would like to have as a teammate? Wayne Gretzky - 13.4%Sidney Crosby - 8.0% Mario Lemieux - 6.3% Peter Forsberg - 4.6%Nicklas Backstrom - 3.7% Who was your favourite player growing up? Peter Forsberg - 8.4% Steve Yzerman - 8.2% Joe Sakic - 7.4% Nicklas Lidstrom - 5.3% Mats Sundin - 4.2% Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted March 7, 2018 Not much diversity in the fastest skater question. The one that stands out to me is the greatest forward of all time question. I get that Crosby (or any of others after Gretzky and Lemieux) are high on the all time list, but who would ever say that Crosby is better than Gretzky? I would expect the odd person to argue Mario, but for the others listed, I'd expect 0%. I think the issue though is the players being polled didn't grow up in an era when Gretzky was playing...but they can look at the stats at least. I suppose you'd have the typical (if he was playing in that era argument as well).....but come on! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,795 Report post Posted March 7, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, toby91_ca said: Not much diversity in the fastest skater question. The one that stands out to me is the greatest forward of all time question. I get that Crosby (or any of others after Gretzky and Lemieux) are high on the all time list, but who would ever say that Crosby is better than Gretzky? I would expect the odd person to argue Mario, but for the others listed, I'd expect 0%. I think the issue though is the players being polled didn't grow up in an era when Gretzky was playing...but they can look at the stats at least. I suppose you'd have the typical (if he was playing in that era argument as well).....but come on! Millenials think fat boy Brodeur was a better goalie than Hasek. Go figure. Also, whoever voted for Niedermayer as the best defenseman of all time should be immediately banned from the league. Please tell me these polls are not anonymous. Edited March 7, 2018 by GMRwings1983 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ami 273 Report post Posted March 7, 2018 carey price(less)? what? :)) and that role model thing.... man... another example how unions are outdated, for half a century at least. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted March 7, 2018 (edited) Last question “how high is the general IQ of the current hockey players” 20. Bobby Orr my ass, like they actually watched him. Edited March 7, 2018 by kickazz 1 Jonas Mahonas reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LadyRedWing 1 Report post Posted March 7, 2018 This player poll is making me Shake my head big time. I dont know if these fellows have a clue ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted March 8, 2018 Absolute joke. Roy the best goalie ever? Bobby Orr at 61%? I can see the argument for it, but the numbers should have been closer. Apparently disappearing when your team is bad a reappearing when they win a Stanley Cup after 50 some years makes you the best fans. I know Crosby voted for Forsberg over Yzerman. He learned his diving skills from the beset. How do you have Jagr, Crosby and Forsberg over Howe? Ridiculous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,763 Report post Posted March 8, 2018 3 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Absolute joke. Roy the best goalie ever? Bobby Orr at 61%? I can see the argument for it, but the numbers should have been closer. Apparently disappearing when your team is bad a reappearing when they win a Stanley Cup after 50 some years makes you the best fans. I know Crosby voted for Forsberg over Yzerman. He learned his diving skills from the beset. How do you have Jagr, Crosby and Forsberg over Howe? Ridiculous. To be honest, I see the argument for Crosby. Now to be clear lol, I'm not saying Crosby IS better then Howe, I'm just saying I see the argument. If I were on a debate team, and my job was to debate why Crosby was better, here is what I would say. 1) They played in similar era's when it came to Goals Per Game. During Crosby's career the NHL has averaged between 2.71 - 3.08 GPG, and while Howe played it was between 2.40 - 3.51 GPG. With that being said, Crosby ranks 6th all time in points per game (1.292 PPG), Howe ranks 37th (1.047 PPG). Granted the 3.51 for Howe is a bit skewed because he was a lot older when goals were getting easier and easier. http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/records/nhl-players-all-time-points-per-game-leaders.html https://www.hockey-reference.com/leagues/stats.html 2) Crosby is playing against the best players in the world, and has dominated for over a decade. Howe only played against North Americans. Obviously Howe has more Harts then Crosby (6-2) but if you removed Ovechkin, Malkin, Sedin, he would have 2 more as in 2010 and 2013 he was the top NA player. Not to mention the 2 years he essentially missed due to concussion issues. 3) I think it's fair to say that Wings fans have a bias. What Howe's accomplishments are almost similar to folklore. Yes there is proof, I'm not debating that, but none of us likely saw him play many if any games, what we know of him is based on what our fathers/mothers, grandfathers/grandmothers, great grandfathers/grandmothers etc. told us. He's looked at as such a legend, as a Wings fan its hard to imagine Crosby (who most think is a whiny baby) could be better. Just a few counterpoints. If you are asking me, I wouldn't compare them. I dont think its fair to compare players from the O6 era to players of the modern era. Too many things that are different. If I voted in that poll though, I pick Gretzky. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted March 8, 2018 44 minutes ago, kliq said: To be honest, I see the argument for Crosby. Now to be clear lol, I'm not saying Crosby IS better then Howe, I'm just saying I see the argument. If I were on a debate team, and my job was to debate why Crosby was better, here is what I would say. 1) They played in similar era's when it came to Goals Per Game. During Crosby's career the NHL has averaged between 2.71 - 3.08 GPG, and while Howe played it was between 2.40 - 3.51 GPG. With that being said, Crosby ranks 6th all time in points per game (1.292 PPG), Howe ranks 37th (1.047 PPG). Granted the 3.51 for Howe is a bit skewed because he was a lot older when goals were getting easier and easier. http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/records/nhl-players-all-time-points-per-game-leaders.html https://www.hockey-reference.com/leagues/stats.html 2) Crosby is playing against the best players in the world, and has dominated for over a decade. Howe only played against North Americans. Obviously Howe has more Harts then Crosby (6-2) but if you removed Ovechkin, Malkin, Sedin, he would have 2 more as in 2010 and 2013 he was the top NA player. Not to mention the 2 years he essentially missed due to concussion issues. 3) I think it's fair to say that Wings fans have a bias. What Howe's accomplishments are almost similar to folklore. Yes there is proof, I'm not debating that, but none of us likely saw him play many if any games, what we know of him is based on what our fathers/mothers, grandfathers/grandmothers, great grandfathers/grandmothers etc. told us. He's looked at as such a legend, as a Wings fan its hard to imagine Crosby (who most think is a whiny baby) could be better. Just a few counterpoints. If you are asking me, I wouldn't compare them. I dont think its fair to compare players from the O6 era to players of the modern era. Too many things that are different. If I voted in that poll though, I pick Gretzky. 1 kliq reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted March 8, 2018 13 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: I know Crosby voted for Forsberg over Yzerman. He learned his diving skills from the beset. Except Yzerman was Crosby's favourite player and I think Forsberg is probably up there with his most hated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
