Official 2018 Off Season *Rebuild* Thread

[Andy Pred 48 337]

Seems that Kenny is trying to move up and snag either The 2# or3# overall, also keeping his 6# pick , if he pulls that off in the next 8 days I’ll have to go and have a long liedown ! 

[amato 3,210]

6 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

The problem is that our players suck.  What could we get for Abdelkader, Nielsen, and Helm if they didn't have NTCs?  Jack and Squat.   They suck and are highly overpaid.  Trading for one of them is like asking the dentist for a cavity.

Can these Jack and Squat guys play defense though? Might be worth it.. 

[krsmith17 7,191]

6 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

No they don't.

Yes, they are.

If they were paid more in line with what middle 6 wingers make (Abby) and 3rd line defensive specialists make (Helm), Holland would have absolutely no problem trading either one without a NTC. While just about everyone agrees with the "overpaid" argument, the only ones who think they actually suck are LGWers, and I can think of about 30 other teams who would disagree with that assessment.

 

BTW, just out of curiosity, why does everyone seem to prefer Bean over Hanifin? If I could choose between them,I would choose Hanifin.

To be fair, it's not LGWers that think they suck, it's dumb Wings fans that like to b**** and complain about everything. No, they don't suck. They're solid bottom six forwards.

I wouldn't even say they're drastically overpaid. If both were making $500-750K less, they would be fair value contracts. It's the term that was the problem with these two contracts from the beginning. Both should have been a max of 3-4 years. Helm and Abdelkader ARE tradable. I think Helm will be traded in the next year or two, but Abdelkader isn't going anywhere. Not because he "can't be moved", but because Holland doesn't want to move him.

 

No one would "prefer" Bean over Hanifin, it's just that the asking price for Hanifin starts with our 6th overall pick, plus. While I'd definitely consider that (depending of what else we'd have to add), if we could get Bean for significantly less and still pick 6th overall, that's the route I'd prefer. Bean may not ever be as good as Hanifin, but the potential is there. I'd prefer Bean and *Bouchard* over just Hanifin any day. I've been saying for years that if we're trading for a defenseman, I'd much prefer to go after prospects (18-20 year old), over already established (21-23 year olds), just because the price is usually significantly less for the former. Obviously the reason the price is lower, is because there's some risk involved, but I'd take the risk.

6 hours ago, BinMucker94 said:

I think most would prefer Hanifin, it’s just a matter of how many assets are you comfortable giving up for him. Bean would be way cheaper to acquire but Hanifin might be worth the price as he has already established himself as a very solid defenseman in the show.

This.

2 hours ago, Andy Pred 48 said:

Seems that Kenny is trying to move up and snag either The 2# or3# overall, also keeping his 6# pick , if he pulls that off in the next 8 days I’ll have to go and have a long liedown ! 

There's no way Holland pulls that off without giving up Larkin / Mantha plus another couple high end assets. I wouldn't do it. Zadina will be a great player, but not worth what it's going to cost to trade up. I wouldn't trade up into the top 5. Draft 6th and then maybe try to move up using the 30th, 33rd, 36th plus other tradable assets if a player drops.

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3 hours ago, Andy Pred 48 said:

Seems that Kenny is trying to move up and snag either The 2# or3# overall, also keeping his 6# pick , if he pulls that off in the next 8 days I’ll have to go and have a long liedown ! 

GTFO!

Source?

[AtlantaHotWings 982]

1 hour ago, amato said:

Can these Jack and Squat guys play defense though? Might be worth it.. 

Perhaps Jack and Squat are the next coming of the Bruise Brothers? 

Or a defensive pair that one "Jacks" the opponent finished with a "Squat"

Or are they WWE rasslers?

[joesuffP 1,746]

Anybody is tradeable that isn’t Larkin on this team. I’d be okay with giving up a huge package of young players for a top 5 pick as long as Larkin is still on the team

[The 91 of Ryans 3,014]

23 minutes ago, joesuffP said:

Anybody is tradeable that isn’t Larkin on this team. I’d be okay with giving up a huge package of young players for a top 5 pick as long as Larkin is still on the team

So Mantha + Chowlowski + 30th + 2nd rounder for #3 pick? they'd love themselevs some french scoring winger action in MTL I bet.

[krsmith17 7,191]

19 minutes ago, joesuffP said:

Anybody is tradeable that isn’t Larkin on this team. I’d be okay with giving up a huge package of young players for a top 5 pick as long as Larkin is still on the team

I wouldn't.

Who would your "huge package of young players" include? It would obviously start with Mantha, and you'd also have to include one or two of Rasmussen, Svechnikov, Cholowski, Hronek, as well as a pick or two.

I like Zadina and Tkatchuk, but no prospect is worth that sort of package...

3 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

So Mantha + Chowlowski + 30th + 2nd rounder for #3 pick? they'd love themselevs some french scoring winger action in MTL I bet.

Yes they would. Bergevin would jump at that deal. Luckily Holland isn't that stupid...

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Just now, krsmith17 said:

I wouldn't.

Who would your "huge package of young players" include? It would obviously start with Mantha, and you'd also have to include one or two of Rasmussen, Svechnikov, Cholowski, Hronek, as well as a pick or two.

I like Zadina and Tkatchuk, but no prospect is worth that sort of package...

See above. 

If we came out of the first round with Zadina and Bouchard/Hughes/Boquist/Dobson? Giddy UP!!

5 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

So Mantha + Chowlowski + 30th + 2nd rounder for #3 pick? they'd love themselevs some french scoring winger action in MTL I bet.

 

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3 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

I wouldn't.

Who would your "huge package of young players" include? It would obviously start with Mantha, and you'd also have to include one or two of Rasmussen, Svechnikov, Cholowski, Hronek, as well as a pick or two.

I like Zadina and Tkatchuk, but no prospect is worth that sort of package...

Yes they would. Bergevin would jump at that deal. Luckily Holland isn't that stupid...

Let's look at it this way (you'll have to use your imagination a bit for this)

Would you trade:

- Mantha

+

- Kindl/Smith 

+

- Kindl/Smith/Sheanan/McCollum

+ Jurco

for a can't miss perennial 30 - 40 goal scoring, two way winger?

Because those guys above represent the potential all of those assets I mentioned in my trade scenario.

Zadina > Mantha guaranteed and everything else is not even close to a guarantee. 

 

[krsmith17 7,191]

13 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Let's look at it this way (you'll have to use your imagination a bit for this)

Would you trade:

- Mantha

+

- Kindl/Smith 

+

- Kindl/Smith/Sheanan/McCollum

+ Jurco

for a can't miss perennial 30 - 40 goal scoring, two way winger?

Because those guys above represent the potential all of those assets I mentioned in my trade scenario.

Zadina > Mantha guaranteed and everything else is not even close to a guarantee. 

The problem with this theory is that NONE of what you're saying is a "guarantee". There's no guarantee that Zadina will be better than Mantha. There's no guarantee that Cholowski will be just another Smith / Kindl. And there's no guarantee that whoever we pick 30th and 33rd / 36th will be another Smith / Kindl / Sheahan / Jurco.

I personally don't think Zadina will be significantly better than Mantha. By that, I mean both have the "potential" to be 35 goal scorers. Zadina may put up 10? 20? 30? more points than Mantha (I doubt it), and to me it's not worth all the other pieces lost.

I also think Cholowski will be better than Smith and Kindl. He has the same skill set, but actually seems to have the hockey IQ that is needed to play at a high level as well.

We could get a number of players in that 30-36 range that could develop into top 6 forwards / top 4 defensemen. 

I'm always for quality over quantity, but in this case, I think it would require a massive overpayment, and that's where I draw the line. Like I said though, I highly doubt Holland has any interest in making that sort of trade.

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19 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

The problem with this theory is that NONE of what you're saying is a "guarantee". There's no guarantee that Zadina will be better than Mantha. There's no guarantee that Cholowski will be just another Smith / Kindl. And there's no guarantee that whoever we pick 30th and 33rd / 36th will be another Smith / Kindl / Sheahan / Jurco.

I personally don't think Zadina will be significantly better than Mantha. By that, I mean both have the "potential" to be 35 goal scorers. Zadina may put up 10? 20? 30? more points than Mantha (I doubt it), and to me it's not worth all the other pieces lost.

I also think Cholowski will be better than Smith and Kindl. He has the same skill set, but actually seems to have the hockey IQ that is needed to play at a high level as well.

We could get a number of players in that 30-36 range that could develop into top 6 forwards / top 4 defensemen. 

I'm always for quality over quantity, but in this case, I think it would require a massive overpayment, and that's where I draw the line. Like I said though, I highly doubt Holland has any interest in making that sort of trade.

Zadina will be better than Mantha. He probably is already. 

It's not just those players I mentioned. It's basically every first and second rounder we've drafted since I can remember (including Tatar). I'd give 'em all away in a second for a potential elite winger and all-star (which Mantha wll never be) . 

I know I'm probably pushing your buttons a bit here because Mantha's your guy, but I'm really not trying to.

To me, on a good team, he's a fringe 1st liner and most likely, at best, a secondary scorer. He's Jordan Eberle/Jeff Skinner. Zadina's gonna be a Kucherov/Hall.

Edited June 14, 2018 by The 91 of Ryans
terrible spelling

[joesuffP 1,746]

Don’t want to get all excited about this since there is no source. Going forward with Zadina, Larkin, Bouchard and Rasmussen is worth throwing out the prospect system and starting over. We won’t lose any sleep over this even if Mantha is a 30 goal scorer (maybe)

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1 hour ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Zadina will be better than Mantha. He probably is already. 

It's not just those players I mentioned. It's basically every first and second rounder we've drafted since I can remember (including Tatar). I'd give 'em all away in a second for a potential elite winger and all-star (which Mantha wll never be) . 

I know I'm probably pushing your buttons a bit here because Mantha's your guy, but I'm really not trying to.

To me, on a good team, he's a fringe 1st liner and most likely, at best, a secondary scorer. He's Jordan Eberle/Jeff Skinner. Zadina's gonna be a Kucherov/Hall.

Yeah, I can see this both ways. One way is saying, Zadina hasn't played in the NHL yet so you just can't know for absolute certainty what he'll be. The other way is that he really is THAT good and more than likely will be a 1st line winger for years and it won't take him long to get there. I'd be okay with trading up with Mantha as bait to get Zadina or Svechnikov so long as we hang on to our #6 and nab the best d-man available there. Zadina, to me, is more of a Laine type player.

1 minute ago, joesuffP said:

Don’t want to get all excited about this since there is no source. Going forward with Zadina, Larkin, Bouchard and Rasmussen is worth throwing out the prospect system and starting over. We won’t lose any sleep over this even if Mantha is a 30 goal scorer (maybe)

I don't feel like looking for it, but it was reported a short while back that Holland is looking at options to move up to #3 or down, but not out of the top 10.  I'm pretty sure that rumor involved using the #6 to move up, though.

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1 minute ago, SwedeLundin77 said:

Yeah, I can see this both ways. One way is saying, Zadina hasn't played in the NHL yet so you just can't know for absolute certainty what he'll be. The other way is that he really is THAT good and more than likely will be a 1st line winger for years and it won't take him long to get there. I'd be okay with trading up with Mantha as bait to get Zadina or Svechnikov so long as we hang on to our #6 and nab the best d-man available there. Zadina, to me, is more of a Laine type player.

Smaller. Better two-way player. 

22 minutes ago, joesuffP said:

Don’t want to get all excited about this since there is no source. Going forward with Zadina, Larkin, Bouchard and Rasmussen is worth throwing out the prospect system and starting over. We won’t lose any sleep over this even if Mantha is a 30 goal scorer (maybe)

Exactly. This team needs elite players. Not a stable of secondary ones. 

[kipwinger 8,518]

1 hour ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Zadina will be better than Mantha. He probably is already. 

It's not just those players I mentioned. It's basically every first and second rounder we've drafted since I can remember (including Tatar). I'd give 'em all away in a second for a potential elite winger and all-star (which Mantha wll never be) . 

I know I'm probably pushing your buttons a bit here because Mantha's your guy, but I'm really not trying to.

To me, on a good team, he's a fringe 1st liner and most likely, at best, a secondary scorer. He's Jordan Eberle/Jeff Skinner. Zadina's gonna be a Kucherov/Hall.

I agree with this, maybe Mantha is a Blake Wheeler type who will put it all together in his late 20's but that's a hell of a gamble.  I haven't seen anything to suggest he'll be elite.  Very good, yes, but not elite.  A guy like Zadina or Wahlstrom has that kind of upside.  A year ago Either one of those guys may have gone first or second overall.  Zadina even reminds me a bit of Hischier.  And if you wouldn't trade a guy like Mantha for a guy like that I don't know what to tell you. 

[krsmith17 7,191]

1 hour ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Zadina will be better than Mantha. He probably is already. 

It's not just those players I mentioned. It's basically every first and second rounder we've drafted since I can remember (including Tatar). I'd give 'em all away in a second for a potential elite winger and all-star (which Mantha wll never be) . 

I know I'm probably pushing your buttons a bit here because Mantha's your guy, but I'm really not trying to.

To me, on a good team, he's a fringe 1st liner and most likely, at best, a secondary scorer. He's Jordan Eberle/Jeff Skinner. Zadina's gonna be a Kucherov/Hall.

Not really pushing my buttons, I just completely disagree.

Again, there's no guarantee. You can speculate, sure, but you can't guarantee anything with an 18 year old prospect. I think it's a bit of a stretch to say that Zadina is guaranteed to be better than Mantha in a couple years from now, let alone today. Could he be? Sure. Will he be? We'll have to wait and see...

Sure, he could be a Patrik Laine, but he could also be a Jonathan Drouin, or Alex Galchenyuk, or Jonathan Huberdeau. All very good 3rd overall selections, but would you trade the sort of package you mentioned for either of those three players? I sure as hell wouldn't...

By the way, just for reference, Mantha scored 50 goals (0.75 goals per game) and 89 points (1.33 points per game) in 67 games, and Zadina scored 44 goals (0.77 goals per game) and 82 points (1.44 points per game) in 57 games in their respective draft years. Zadina is slightly better that Mantha was in his draft year, but what makes you think Zadina will be infinitely better? Enough so, that we can throw him away, along with one of our two top defense prospects, and two high picks?

Mantha was later developing (he still is), but that's common for big "power forwards". Zadina can probably step right into the NHL (no guarantee) next season, but that doesn't mean his peak will necessarily be higher than Mantha's peak...

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Is it July yet?

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3 minutes ago, Dabura said:

Is it July yet?

I DON'T KNOW. IS IT??????? HUH?

[Dabura 12,207]

15 minutes ago, F.Michael said:

What little I know of the two - I'd rather have Tkachuk over Zadina...The thought of a big/skilled/physical/obnoxious winger is hard to pass up.

Zadina is the better player with the higher ceiling. Tkachuk probably tops out as a Matthew Tkachuk (if that). Zadina has real potential to become an elite, Hall-caliber scoring winger. We need a Zadina much more than we need a Tkachuk.

Just my two cents.

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3 minutes ago, F.Michael said:

I could be wrong, but I thought I read somewhere that Brady is (or will be) the better of the two brothers.

Consensus seems to be that he is, but I don't think it's a really significant gap. They're basically the same player, IMO.

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

8 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

I wouldn't.

Who would your "huge package of young players" include? It would obviously start with Mantha, and you'd also have to include one or two of Rasmussen, Svechnikov, Cholowski, Hronek, as well as a pick or two.

I like Zadina and Tkatchuk, but no prospect is worth that sort of package...

Yes they would. Bergevin would jump at that deal. Luckily Holland isn't that stupid...

Did someone say "HUGE PACKAGE"?

 

Found this on the ol' interwebs today:

https://www.mlive.com/expo/sports/erry-2018/06/cf2bd27a935492/red_wings_top_prospects_when_w.html

Michael Rasmussen Timeline to NHL: The Red Wings are counting on Rasmussen to make the team in training camp. They plan to ease his transition to the NHL by starting him on wing, like they did with Dylan Larkin as a rookie in 2015-16. If Rasmussen isn’t ready for the NHL he will return to Tri-City for his final junior season. He is not eligible to play in the AHL in 2018-19.

Evgeny Svechnikov Timeline to NHL: Barring a spectacular showing in training camp and the preseason, Svechnikov will start the season in Grand Rapids and likely will be recalled at some point. It is his final waiver-exempt season. Starting in 2019-20, he’s in the NHL to stay.

Filip Hronek Timeline to NHL: He will compete for a roster spot in training camp, likely with Joe Hicketts. Hronek’s right shot could help the power play. The Red Wings hope to have one defenseman from Grand Rapids on their season-opening roster, but only if they’re playing regularly. Their odds increase if Mike Green isn’t re-signed and the team doesn’t ink another veteran free-agent defenseman.

Dennis Cholowski Timeline to NHL: The Red Wings want Cholowski to make a push for a job in training camp, but more experienced defensemen Filip Hronek and Joe Hicketts likely are ahead of him in the pecking order. It’s difficult, especially for a defenseman, to jump from juniors to the NHL. Cholowski likely will need at least one season in Grand Rapids before seriously competing for a roster spot in 2019-20.

David Pope Timeline to NHL: He’ll have an opportunity to earn a roster spot in training camp, but unless the Red Wings have multiple injuries among their top nine forwards, Pope likely will start the season in Grand Rapids. His performance there will dictate whether he gets a look in Detroit during the season. He should be more poised to compete for a spot in 2019-20.

Libor Sulak Timeline to NHL: Mobile defenseman who likely will need some time in the AHL to get accustomed to the smaller North American rinks. He’s behind Filip Hronek and Joe Hicketts on the depth chart. Injuries and his performance in Grand Rapids will dictate whether he gets an opportunity in Detroit during the season. Might be ready to compete for a job in 2019-20.
Joe Hicketts Timeline to NHL: He’ll be competing with Filip Hronek for a spot on the season-opening roster. If Hicketts starts in Grand Rapids, chances are he’ll get a look in Detroit at some point during the season, his final year of waiver-exempt status.

Givani Smith Timeline to NHL: A big, abrasive forward with some scoring ability, Smith will begin his pro career in Grand Rapids next season. Chances are, he’ll need at least a couple of seasons in the AHL before making a serious push for a Red Wings roster spot.

Filip Larsson Timeline to NHL: Larsson will play at the University of Denver next season. He might spend two years in college before turning pro and joining Grand Rapids. It can be difficult to predict when a goaltender is NHL-ready. Larsson, who turns 20 in August, is probably at least three years away.

Vili Saarijarvi Timeline to NHL: He’ll probably need two more seasons in Grand Rapids before seriously challenging for a roster spot in Detroit.

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https://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2018/6/14/17464236/red-wings-to-hold-2018-development-camp-at-little-caesars-arena

DETROIT, Mich — It appears some big changes are in store for the Red Wings annual development camp. The event, which is usually held at Centre Ice in Traverse City, will take place at Little Caesars Arena in downtown Detroit.

Tuesday, June 26th thru Saturday, June 30th

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2018/06/detroit_red_wings_reveal_devel.html

By Ansar Khan

akhan1@mlive.com

The Detroit Red Wings are holding their annual development camp at the Belfor Training Center inside Little Caesars Arena this year, and fans can attend for free.

The camp, which features most of the organization's prospects, including the players they will draft next week, takes place June 26-30 with on-ice skill development and off-ice workouts each day, culminated by a scrimmage on the final day.

Players will be divided into two groups - Team Howe and Team Lindsay. The Grand Rapids Griffins coaching staff and Red Wings player development staff will conduct the drills.

The complete roster will be released following the draft on June 22-23, but the participants will include players selected over the past several entry drafts, including 2017 top pick Michael Rasmussen and 2016 top selection Dennis Cholowski, as well as signed free agent prospects and undrafted free agents from collegiate, junior or European leagues.

Tickets for development camp are free and available in limited quantities on a first-come, first-served basis by clicking here and entering "PUBLIC" as the promo code. Fans may reserve up to four tickets for each day.

There will be meet-and-greet opportunities and player autograph sessions. Further information about fan-friendly events held at Little Caesars Arena in conjunction with development camp will be announced at a later date.

It appears that even tho the Development Camp will be held at LCA, the Prospect Tournament and Training Camp will still be held in TC.

http://upnorthlive.com/sports/content/red-wings-and-centre-ice-reach-a-new-deal-for-training-camp

Traverse City, MI – Following a commitment from the Detroit Red Wings to return to Traverse City for multiple years coupled with a financial investment in community benefit from Traverse City Tourism, Centre Ice Arena has agreed to move forward with costly rink renovations mandated by the NHL for any ice rink hosting events involving National Hockey League teams. Upon completion, Centre Ice will be one of only a few public use rinks in the country featuring such enhancements which will provide a safer environment for athletes and spectators alike.

Renovations to the rinks at Centre Ice are scheduled to begin in May 2018 and are expected to be complete in early June of 2018.

http://www.accesshockeymi.com/index.php/2018/05/25/updated-photos-centre-ice-arena-red-wings-training-camp-arena/
 

UPDATED PHOTOS | WEST RINK FINISHED

 

 

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1 hour ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Michael Rasmussen Timeline to NHL: The Red Wings are counting on Rasmussen to make the team in training camp. They plan to ease his transition to the NHL by starting him on wing, like they did with Dylan Larkin as a rookie in 2015-16. If Rasmussen isn’t ready for the NHL he will return to Tri-City for his final junior season. He is not eligible to play in the AHL in 2018-19.

Evgeny Svechnikov Timeline to NHL: Barring a spectacular showing in training camp and the preseason, Svechnikov will start the season in Grand Rapids and likely will be recalled at some point. It is his final waiver-exempt season. Starting in 2019-20, he’s in the NHL to stay.

Filip Hronek Timeline to NHL: He will compete for a roster spot in training camp, likely with Joe Hicketts. Hronek’s right shot could help the power play. The Red Wings hope to have one defenseman from Grand Rapids on their season-opening roster, but only if they’re playing regularly. Their odds increase if Mike Green isn’t re-signed and the team doesn’t ink another veteran free-agent defenseman.

Dennis Cholowski Timeline to NHL: The Red Wings want Cholowski to make a push for a job in training camp, but more experienced defensemen Filip Hronek and Joe Hicketts likely are ahead of him in the pecking order. It’s difficult, especially for a defenseman, to jump from juniors to the NHL. Cholowski likely will need at least one season in Grand Rapids before seriously competing for a roster spot in 2019-20.

David Pope Timeline to NHL: He’ll have an opportunity to earn a roster spot in training camp, but unless the Red Wings have multiple injuries among their top nine forwards, Pope likely will start the season in Grand Rapids. His performance there will dictate whether he gets a look in Detroit during the season. He should be more poised to compete for a spot in 2019-20.

Libor Sulak Timeline to NHL: Mobile defenseman who likely will need some time in the AHL to get accustomed to the smaller North American rinks. He’s behind Filip Hronek and Joe Hicketts on the depth chart. Injuries and his performance in Grand Rapids will dictate whether he gets an opportunity in Detroit during the season. Might be ready to compete for a job in 2019-20.
Joe Hicketts Timeline to NHL: He’ll be competing with Filip Hronek for a spot on the season-opening roster. If Hicketts starts in Grand Rapids, chances are he’ll get a look in Detroit at some point during the season, his final year of waiver-exempt status.

Givani Smith Timeline to NHL: A big, abrasive forward with some scoring ability, Smith will begin his pro career in Grand Rapids next season. Chances are, he’ll need at least a couple of seasons in the AHL before making a serious push for a Red Wings roster spot.

Filip Larsson Timeline to NHL: Larsson will play at the University of Denver next season. He might spend two years in college before turning pro and joining Grand Rapids. It can be difficult to predict when a goaltender is NHL-ready. Larsson, who turns 20 in August, is probably at least three years away.

Vili Saarijarvi Timeline to NHL: He’ll probably need two more seasons in Grand Rapids before seriously challenging for a roster spot in Detroit.

All is pretty much what one would expect, except for Svechnikov... I get that he has to "earn a spot", but it sounds like he's already inked in on the Griffins roster. Is this what Khan has gotten from Holland, or is it just Khan's predictions? If it's the former, that's unfortunate... He will outplay several players on the roster, and still be sent down, much like Hicketts did last year. Because f*** the youth movement...

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2 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

All is pretty much what one would expect, except for Svechnikov... I get that he has to "earn a spot", but it sounds like he's already inked in on the Griffins roster. Is this what Khan has gotten from Holland, or is it just Khan's predictions? If it's the former, that's unfortunate... He will outplay several players on the roster, and still be sent down, much like Hicketts did last year. Because f*** the youth movement...

That's what I'm thinking, too. Svechnikov was given a chance last season and if you look at what analysts and such said, he played very well and did all the little things right. The thought is that if Blashill actually gives him legit ice time, he'll become more lethal on the score sheet and be just fine. My opinion is that he needs to be on the starting roster. Trade Witkowski who is, essentially, dead weight.