Sedin Twins Calling it a Career After Season

[martyrme19 73]

https://www.tsn.ca/sedins-close-careers-on-classy-thoughtful-note-1.1044626


Truthfully, I feel like I never got to see these two guys often enough to genuinely appreciate them. I hate to say it, but I feel like they would have been even more appreciated in the world of hockey and the sports world in general had they played in a better market.

Edited April 3, 2018 by martyrme19
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[barabbas16 499]

So, I guess Zetterberg will finish above them on the all-time Swedish scoring list.

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

2 hours ago, barabbas16 said:

So, I guess Zetterberg will finish above them on the all-time Swedish scoring list.

Rk		Name	Born	Pos	GP	G	A	P	PIM	+/-	PPG	SHG	GWG	G/GP	A/GP	P/GP
1		Mats Sundin	1971	F	1346	564	785	1349	1093	73	160	31	96	0.419	0.583	1.002
2		Daniel Alfredsson	1972	F	1246	444	713	1157	510	155	135	25	73	0.356	0.572	0.929
3		Nicklas Lidström	1970	D	1564	264	878	1142	514	450	132	10	35	0.169	0.561	0.730
4		Henrik Sedin	1980	F	1327	240	828	1068	680	167	61	7	38	0.181	0.624	0.805
5		Daniel Sedin	1980	F	1303	391	647	1038	546	149	137	0	85	0.300	0.497	0.797
6		Henrik Zetterberg	1980	F	1079	336	618	954	401	157	100	9	64	0.311	0.573	0.884
7		Peter Forsberg	1973	F	708	249	636	885	690	238	71	16	43	0.352	0.898	1.250
8		Markus Näslund	1973	F	1117	395	474	869	736	6	126	6	53	0.354	0.424	0.778
9		Tomas Sandström	1964	F	983	394	462	856	1193	8	119	10	44	0.401	0.470	0.871
10		Tom Steen	1960	F	950	264	553	817	753	-69	73	13	29	0.278	0.582	0.860
11		Nicklas Bäckström	1987	F	812	207	586	793	416	114	65	2	33	0.255	0.722	0.977

 

Daniel? Yes. Henrik? Not so sure.

[GMRwings1983 8,793]

Twins are weird.  The Sedins are no different.  I wonder if they always wore matching clothes everyday and that sort of thing?  

Both will likely make the Hall of Fame and were very consistent players.  Both members of that 2006 Swedish team (which will end up having an impressive list of HOF players).  Came so close to the Cup in 2011, which will be the only knock on their resume.  

[brett 1,029]

i think Z done after next season. he wont catch daniel..i want him to get 1000pts tho

[martyrme19 73]

50 minutes ago, brett said:

i think Z done after next season. he wont catch daniel..i want him to get 1000pts tho

I agree. I think there is some chance - maybe not much - that he hangs em up even after this season. He goes from a 7mil salary this season to a 3.35mil salary next. Afterwards, he's at 1mil. I don't see him sticking around for that.

Has there been any inkling at all of Z retiring after this season? Any word of him guaranteeing a return next season?

[xault 272]

 

2 hours ago, brett said:

i think Z done after next season. he wont catch daniel..i want him to get 1000pts tho

 

1 hour ago, martyrme19 said:

I agree. I think there is some chance - maybe not much - that he hangs em up even after this season. He goes from a 7mil salary this season to a 3.35mil salary next. Afterwards, he's at 1mil. I don't see him sticking around for that.

Has there been any inkling at all of Z retiring after this season? Any word of him guaranteeing a return next season?

 

3 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Rk		Name	Born	Pos	GP	G	A	P	PIM	+/-	PPG	SHG	GWG	G/GP	A/GP	P/GP
1		Mats Sundin	1971	F	1346	564	785	1349	1093	73	160	31	96	0.419	0.583	1.002
2		Daniel Alfredsson	1972	F	1246	444	713	1157	510	155	135	25	73	0.356	0.572	0.929
3		Nicklas Lidström	1970	D	1564	264	878	1142	514	450	132	10	35	0.169	0.561	0.730
4		Henrik Sedin	1980	F	1327	240	828	1068	680	167	61	7	38	0.181	0.624	0.805
5		Daniel Sedin	1980	F	1303	391	647	1038	546	149	137	0	85	0.300	0.497	0.797
6		Henrik Zetterberg	1980	F	1079	336	618	954	401	157	100	9	64	0.311	0.573	0.884
7		Peter Forsberg	1973	F	708	249	636	885	690	238	71	16	43	0.352	0.898	1.250
8		Markus Näslund	1973	F	1117	395	474	869	736	6	126	6	53	0.354	0.424	0.778
9		Tomas Sandström	1964	F	983	394	462	856	1193	8	119	10	44	0.401	0.470	0.871
10		Tom Steen	1960	F	950	264	553	817	753	-69	73	13	29	0.278	0.582	0.860
11		Nicklas Bäckström	1987	F	812	207	586	793	416	114	65	2	33	0.255	0.722	0.977

 

Daniel? Yes. Henrik? Not so sure.

Z the next great Sweden to retire.

Z gonna need 2 more season to catch Daniel, I don't know about Henrik. I think he plays one more season, finishes just behind Daniel breaking into 1000, guessing around 1010 points. The Sedin's still have little more than 200 games played on Z, which is kind of crazy to think about.

I wonder if Bäckström can catch or pass Alfredsson. He'll be around 1073 if he can avg 70 for the next 4 years. Which makes him 34-35 I think.

Edited April 3, 2018 by xault

[kickazz 5,459]

Jesus look at the amount of games played for the Sedins compared to Zetterberg. 

Edited April 3, 2018 by kickazz

[shocky2002 36]

Zetterberg is better than both of them IMO

[martyrme19 73]

9 hours ago, kickazz said:

Jesus look at the amount of games played for the Sedins compared to Zetterberg. 

Glad you pointed that out - I overlooked that! But look at the games for Forsberg -- he really was a beast when healthy, as much as I hated the guy! If he played as many games as Sundin he would be far and away the leading point scorer.

[NerveDamage 4,176]

1 hour ago, martyrme19 said:

Glad you pointed that out - I overlooked that! But look at the games for Forsberg -- he really was a beast when healthy, as much as I hated the guy! If he played as many games as Sundin he would be far and away the leading point scorer.

1.250 points per game 

[LeftWinger 4,949]

17 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Rk		Name	Born	Pos	GP	G	A	P	PIM	+/-	PPG	SHG	GWG	G/GP	A/GP	P/GP
1		Mats Sundin	1971	F	1346	564	785	1349	1093	73	160	31	96	0.419	0.583	1.002
2		Daniel Alfredsson	1972	F	1246	444	713	1157	510	155	135	25	73	0.356	0.572	0.929
3		Nicklas Lidström	1970	D	1564	264	878	1142	514	450	132	10	35	0.169	0.561	0.730
4		Henrik Sedin	1980	F	1327	240	828	1068	680	167	61	7	38	0.181	0.624	0.805
5		Daniel Sedin	1980	F	1303	391	647	1038	546	149	137	0	85	0.300	0.497	0.797
6		Henrik Zetterberg	1980	F	1079	336	618	954	401	157	100	9	64	0.311	0.573	0.884
7		Peter Forsberg	1973	F	708	249	636	885	690	238	71	16	43	0.352	0.898	1.250
8		Markus Näslund	1973	F	1117	395	474	869	736	6	126	6	53	0.354	0.424	0.778
9		Tomas Sandström	1964	F	983	394	462	856	1193	8	119	10	44	0.401	0.470	0.871
10		Tom Steen	1960	F	950	264	553	817	753	-69	73	13	29	0.278	0.582	0.860
11		Nicklas Bäckström	1987	F	812	207	586	793	416	114	65	2	33	0.255	0.722	0.977

 

Daniel? Yes. Henrik? Not so sure.

He may not even top 1000 pts. Especially if the rumors are true that he's talking about not playing the last 2 years of his contract. He has 50 points this year, but if he gets in a reduced role next season (especially if we sign JT) he may find it hard to get the points he needs to top 1000, unless he moves to the wing a remain in the top 6.  He probably will get there, because he defies all critics annually, but not quite sure he'd top Daniel, especially if he cuts 2 or even 1 year off his contract by retiring early.

[LeftWinger 4,949]

13 hours ago, kickazz said:

Jesus look at the amount of games played for the Sedins compared to Zetterberg. 

He most definitely has them beat by P/GP.  But if we're going by that Forsberg is the best with OVER a point per game. 

Also, its very nice to see the ONLY D on that list is our own beloved!

Hey, if Z retires after this or next season, and doesn't honor his contract (ala Datsyuk) will it tarnish his legacy here (ala Datsyuk and for some stupid reason Fedorov) and jeopardize his #40 going up into the rafters?

[GMRwings1983 8,793]

7 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

He most definitely has them beat by P/GP.  But if we're going by that Forsberg is the best with OVER a point per game. 

Also, its very nice to see the ONLY D on that list is our own beloved!

Hey, if Z retires after this or next season, and doesn't honor his contract (ala Datsyuk) will it tarnish his legacy here (ala Datsyuk and for some stupid reason Fedorov) and jeopardize his #40 going up into the rafters?

Overrated.  His points per game sucked compared to the Sedins.  

[LeftWinger 4,949]

6 minutes ago, GMRwings1983 said:

Overrated.  His points per game sucked compared to the Sedins.  

Ya, he does have the lowest Points Per Game on that list...what was I thinking? Lidstrom was horrible!

[kickazz 5,459]

4 hours ago, martyrme19 said:

Glad you pointed that out - I overlooked that! But look at the games for Forsberg -- he really was a beast when healthy, as much as I hated the guy! If he played as many games as Sundin he would be far and away the leading point scorer.

Forseberg = best offensive Swede

Lidstrom = Best swedish defender

Z = best Swedish two way foward

Everyone else

[LeftWinger 4,949]

Forsberg was so dominate, I can't even fathom that he only played 708 games. I didn't like him either (when he was an Av) but I was one of the ones hoping that when he came back, he had chosen us instead of Philly.  His loyalty to the Avs prevented him from putting on the Winged Wheel though. Poor guy, he may have won one more Cup before retiring for good.

[toby91_ca 620]

3 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

Hey, if Z retires after this or next season, and doesn't honor his contract (ala Datsyuk) will it tarnish his legacy here (ala Datsyuk and for some stupid reason Fedorov) and jeopardize his #40 going up into the rafters?

There's a difference between retiring with term left on your contract and leaving with term left to go play in a different league.

[Echolalia 2,961]

Lidstrom is such an anomaly.  Only defensman on that list and in the top 3.

[chaps80 1,591]

1 hour ago, toby91_ca said:

There's a difference between retiring with term left on your contract and leaving with term left to go play in a different league.

Exactly. And Datsyuk didn’t give much warning either. Maybe something could have been done sooner that wouldn’t have left a team at the cap to dump 7+ million in salary over an off-season. Pure dick move, lost a lot of my respect for him. 

When Z is ready to call it quits, I figure management will know before that particular season even begins that he’s planning on retiring and going home afterwards. Just seems like his style, giving advance notice so whatever the team needs to do to prepare for his absence, they have plenty of time to plan it. His salary is cut in half next season, then drops to just $1 million per for two because of the contract being so front loaded (although his cap hit remains the same for the duration). I wouldn’t be surprised if next season will be his last. Then raise the banner.

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

18 hours ago, kickazz said:

Jesus look at the amount of games played for the Sedins compared to Zetterberg. 

Imagine what Z's numbers would look like if not for the multiple back injuries.

5 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

He may not even top 1000 pts. Especially if the rumors are true that he's talking about not playing the last 2 years of his contract. He has 50 points this year, but if he gets in a reduced role next season (especially if we sign JT) he may find it hard to get the points he needs to top 1000, unless he moves to the wing a remain in the top 6.  He probably will get there, because he defies all critics annually, but not quite sure he'd top Daniel, especially if he cuts 2 or even 1 year off his contract by retiring early.

I was basing him passing Daniel on the premise that he plays at least 2 more years. After the season is over, he needs 85 points to pass him. He's put up 50 so far this year. he could do 45 next season and 40 the following year and still pass Daniel Sedin even if he didn't play the last year of his contract. If he played his final year, he would only need 31 more points to pass Henrik. Definitely possible.

5 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

Ya, he does have the lowest Points Per Game on that list...what was I thinking? Lidstrom was horrible!

Yep. What good are defensemen if they aren't playing offense?

Edited April 4, 2018 by Neomaxizoomdweebie

[chaps80 1,591]

23 hours ago, GMRwings1983 said:

Twins are weird.  The Sedins are no different.  I wonder if they always wore matching clothes everyday and that sort of thing?  

Both will likely make the Hall of Fame and were very consistent players.  Both members of that 2006 Swedish team (which will end up having an impressive list of HOF players).  Came so close to the Cup in 2011, which will be the only knock on their resume.  

Yep, they always stuck me as weird those Sedins. What was even weirder is how Burke was able to snag them both in the top end of the same draft. He had to find a way, cause yeah, they just couldn’t play on separate teams. Refused to. That’s creepy enough in itself that they couldn’t be their own men and go separate ways if need be. 

[GMRwings1983 8,793]

2 hours ago, chaps80 said:

Yep, they always stuck me as weird those Sedins. What was even weirder is how Burke was able to snag them both in the top end of the same draft. He had to find a way, cause yeah, they just couldn’t play on separate teams. Refused to. That’s creepy enough in itself that they couldn’t be their own men and go separate ways if need be. 

Arguably, the worst draft in recent history.  Look at the other names on that list.  Burke really did pull a great move there.  

[kipwinger 8,518]

7 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

He most definitely has them beat by P/GP.  But if we're going by that Forsberg is the best with OVER a point per game. 

Also, its very nice to see the ONLY D on that list is our own beloved!

Hey, if Z retires after this or next season, and doesn't honor his contract (ala Datsyuk) will it tarnish his legacy here (ala Datsyuk and for some stupid reason Fedorov) and jeopardize his #40 going up into the rafters?

Ummm...I think Nick Lidstrom was a very, very, very, good hockey player.  But he's absolutely NOT my "beloved".  If you feel that way about him, you probably need a break from hockey...for like...a while. 

[chaps80 1,591]

6 hours ago, kickazz said:

Forseberg = best offensive Swede

Lidstrom = Best swedish defender

Z = best Swedish two way foward

Everyone else

Best Swedish goalie? Gotta be Lundqvist stats wise. No one comes close. Too bad we never got to see Lindbergh play a full career. Numbers aren't top notch, but they're great for his era. Still sits 7th all time among all Swedish goalies 32 years after his death. R.I.P.