The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted February 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Really? I could swear I remember then winning one in the teens somewhere besides the one in 04. Oh well. Just goes to further show that Yzerman hasnt done a better job than Holland and the argument that he IS a better GM is based on bias, not actual results. Seriously though, how could you not know this? That Yzerman has never won a cup as a GM? If we're talking about Yzerman vs Holland that seems like a pretty fundamental details to get straight no? In order to legitimately participate in the convo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted February 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: Seriously though, how could you not know this? That Yzerman has never won a cup as a GM? If we're talking about Yzerman vs Holland that seems like a pretty fundamental details to get straight no? In order to legitimately participate in the convo. LOL. I misremembered something. That doesn't make me irrelevant. 1 The 91 of Ryans reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted February 11, 2019 38 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: Fringe NHLers / plugs is all that is expected beyond the top 20 picks... Again, people really need to do their research on probability of draft picks turning into NHL players. Smith, Mrazek, Jurco, Ouellet and Frk were all solid picks, considering where they were drafted, and the likelihood of that draft selection becoming an NHL regular. No, none of them moved the needle, but all have played / will likely play 100+ games in the NHL. Teams have roughly a 15-20% chance in 2nd rounders hitting that mark, even less beyond the 2nd round. I do agree that it would have been nice to had gotten a Kucherov or Josi, but only a handful of teams are lucky enough to pull those gems out of the 2nd or 3rd round every 10 years. You can't really fault Holland for not getting any true game breakers in the later rounds in the past 10-15 years. The best value pick we've gotten in that time is probably Nyquist taken in the 4th round. So the probability of Veleno becoming that 2nd line center you think he'll be is actually pretty damn low then by your rationale. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted February 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: So the probability of Veleno becoming that 2nd line center you think he'll be is actually pretty damn low then by your rationale. Absof***inglutely. The probability of anyone from 25-35 in the draft becoming an impact player (top 6 F, top 4 D) is approximately 15%. But the probability of at least one of the players in that range becoming an impact player I would say is fairly high. I think Veleno could be (hopefully will be) that player for us. 1 The 91 of Ryans reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted February 11, 2019 I'd also add that I don't believe by any stretch that Veleno becoming a 2C is an absolute lock. However, from what I've seen, I think the chances are good that he can reach that sort of ceiling. Time will tell, but keep in mind that he was considered likely to be a top 3 pick a year prior to the draft, and top 10-15 leading up to the draft. He fell a LOT. The question remains, should he have dropped that low?... I was and still am ecstatic to have him in Detroit. There's not a doubt in my mind that he'll be an NHL player, it just depends on whether he hit his ceiling (2C), or settles at his floor (bottom 6 C)... My bet is on the former... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,206 Report post Posted February 11, 2019 Should've signed Hossa. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,745 Report post Posted February 11, 2019 13 minutes ago, Dabura said: Should've signed Hossa. Holland should have made the Red Wings invest heavily in the research of brain transplants so that Franzen could have gotten a new one around ’10. Hell, who knows, he might even have gotten a brain with lesser tendecies towards flosting and being lazy! 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,206 Report post Posted February 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, Akakabuto said: Holland should have made the Red Wings invest heavily in the research of brain transplants so that Franzen could have gotten a new one around ’10. Hell, who knows, he might even have gotten a brain with lesser tendecies towards flosting and being lazy! Aw geez, now you're doin' me a sads right about now. 1 Akakabuto reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted February 11, 2019 3 hours ago, The 91 of Ryans said: Other teams have found them. Not blaming Holland for not finding them. But I sure wish that he had. Kucherov is a good 2nd round pick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted February 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Dabura said: Should've signed Hossa. Yeah f*** him. 7 hours ago, kipwinger said: I think that's a fair criticism on a very specific point, but I don't really think it means Holland isn't best to run a rebuild. Starting around 2010-11 we started losing D-men and seemed content to replace them with puds (Cole, Colaiacovo, Commodore) rather than legit d-men. I always thought we should have landed Wisniewski, but Erhoff, Hamhuis, Suter come to mind as well. But mishandling UFA d-men isn't the same thing as rebuilding, which is centered on the draft. And in that area Holland has done very well over the years. Now that I've answered your questions. Vegeta or Goku? Superman or Batman? McCarty or Maltby? AA or Nyquist? Leftwinger or Frankgrimes? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted February 11, 2019 49 minutes ago, kickazz said: Yeah f*** him. Now that I've answered your questions. Vegeta or Goku? Superman or Batman? McCarty or Maltby? AA or Nyquist? Leftwinger or Frankgrimes? Goku Superman Maltby AA Lefty Newman (prime) or Johnston (prime)? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,496 Report post Posted February 12, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, kickazz said: Yeah f*** him. Now that I've answered your questions. Vegeta or Goku? Superman or Batman? McCarty or Maltby? AA or Nyquist? Leftwinger or Frankgrimes? Those are easy: Didn't watch Dragonball Z Batman. Aside from kryptonite, Superman is highly susceptible to rich guys (Lex Luther). Bruce Wayne is rich b*tch. And he's a violent maniac. He's probably already got a plan to take Superman down. Maltby, McCarty is like every washed up druggie from my high school. AA, cuz razzle dazzle all day. Leftwinger. Lefty can be histrionic at times, but Frank was like if you took the most contrarian college freshman of all time and turned him into a dumb hockey fan. 5 hours ago, krsmith17 said: I'd also add that I don't believe by any stretch that Veleno becoming a 2C is an absolute lock. However, from what I've seen, I think the chances are good that he can reach that sort of ceiling. Time will tell, but keep in mind that he was considered likely to be a top 3 pick a year prior to the draft, and top 10-15 leading up to the draft. He fell a LOT. The question remains, should he have dropped that low?... I was and still am ecstatic to have him in Detroit. There's not a doubt in my mind that he'll be an NHL player, it just depends on whether he hit his ceiling (2C), or settles at his floor (bottom 6 C)... My bet is on the former... Can you just please, please, please, use your magic Veleno voodoo to make sure he turns out to be at least as good as Ryan O'Reilly? That's all I ask. Edited February 12, 2019 by kipwinger 1 1 Wheelchairsuperhero and kickazz reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted February 12, 2019 1 hour ago, kipwinger said: Can you just please, please, please, use your magic Veleno voodoo to make sure he turns out to be at least as good as Ryan O'Reilly? That's all I ask. Done. The day he was drafted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted February 12, 2019 Guys, I think Hakan Andersson is getting stale. He's been here so long I just don't think anyone believes in his draft picks anymore. His mere presence is making this team stale! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted February 13, 2019 Didn’t know where to post this ... anyways frk on waivers , can see an awful team like Edmonton taking a chance maybe , adios Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted February 13, 2019 22 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said: Didn’t know where to post this ... anyways frk on waivers , can see an awful team like Edmonton taking a chance maybe , adios Frk was getting stale Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted February 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Frk was getting stale He expired 2 years ago Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted February 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said: He expired 2 years ago His slap shot goes fast thou Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted February 13, 2019 56 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said: He expired 2 years ago He never had a "Best by" date. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted February 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: He never had a "Best by" date. Did he have a circuit city date Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted February 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, kickazz said: Did he have a circuit city date Its funny cause circuit city Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,475 Report post Posted February 13, 2019 1 hour ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Its funny cause circuit city The other one was funny cause best buy... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted February 14, 2019 14 hours ago, Euro_Twins said: The other one was funny cause best buy... Best buy is funny Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,475 Report post Posted February 14, 2019 1 minute ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Best buy is funny I like you Be my valentine baby? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted February 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, Euro_Twins said: I like you Be my valentine baby? Im in nyc right now. Come down and prove ur love Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
