Official 2019 Offseason Rebuild Thread

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

6 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

Why not?

Ummm cause he’s a late bloomer and gonna be 20? Just wondering if he’s worth a 3rd pick or if an nhl team will see his age and he’ll be selected in the later rounds 5-7

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

2 hours ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Would anyone take a chance on Ronnie attard? He’s a late bloomer and Gonna be 20 this year but he’s having a great season and we all know dmen take longer to develop , would he be worth the risk with a 3rd rounder or is he more a later pick like 5-7?

His name is literally R. Attard. Too many of those already. I'd pass.

[krsmith17 7,191]

2 hours ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Would anyone take a chance on Ronnie attard? He’s a late bloomer and Gonna be 20 this year but he’s having a great season and we all know dmen take longer to develop , would he be worth the risk with a 3rd rounder or is he more a later pick like 5-7?

Michigan kid. We'll use one of our three 5th round picks on him.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

23 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

Michigan kid. We'll use one of our three 5th round picks on him.

I didn’t even notice he was from Michigan, I was thinking of using one of our three 5ths but just wondering if he’s gonna even be available by then if he’s having such a good season. Franzen was an overage and was drafted at 97

Edited February 20, 2019 by nyqvististhefuture

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

https://www.eliteprospects.com/team/60/detroit-red-wings/depth-chart

 

do the the contracts in Grand rapida like Megan mcilrath count towards the 50 contract limit? Cause according to that it’s at 49 

id hate to see us to cut ties with turgeon,holmstrom,hicketts,sulak even though there not in the big league and might just be bottom guys just to keep guys like the those Megan mcilrath if they do actually count

guessing good chances Chelios,frk,witkowski,sadowy get axed and hopefully Megan,lashoff,mcilrath

figuring veleno,mcisaac will be signed this off season and possbly our 1st rd pick and chase Pearson so that’s 4

we really Need to cut some deadweight like Daley,ericsson

Any chance pottelberghe signs and comes to North America next year ?

[krsmith17 7,191]

1 hour ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

https://www.eliteprospects.com/team/60/detroit-red-wings/depth-chart

do the the contracts in Grand rapida like Megan mcilrath count towards the 50 contract limit? Cause according to that it’s at 49 

id hate to see us to cut ties with turgeon,holmstrom,hicketts,sulak even though there not in the big league and might just be bottom guys just to keep guys like the those Megan mcilrath if they do actually count

guessing good chances Chelios,frk,witkowski,sadowy get axed and hopefully Megan,lashoff,mcilrath

figuring veleno,mcisaac will be signed this off season and possbly our 1st rd pick and chase Pearson so that’s 4

we really Need to cut some deadweight like Daley,ericsson

Any chance pottelberghe signs and comes to North America next year ?

Yes, anyone signed to an NHL contract (one-way or two-way) count toward the 50-man roster limit. That list includes Megan and McIlrath, as well as other 'not really considered prospects', Pope, Sadowy, Elson, Puempel, Terry, Chelios and Lashoff. We're currently at 47/50.

McIsaac is already under contract, but yes Veleno will need to be signed this summer.

I don't think Van Pottelberghe comes over. From everything I've heard and read, he has no interest in playing in North America and is content to stay in Switzerland. No big loss. I would say Larsson, Eliasson and Petruzzelli are all ahead of him anyway.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

1 hour ago, krsmith17 said:

Yes, anyone signed to an NHL contract (one-way or two-way) count toward the 50-man roster limit. That list includes Megan and McIlrath, as well as other 'not really considered prospects', Pope, Sadowy, Elson, Puempel, Terry, Chelios and Lashoff. We're currently at 47/50.

McIsaac is already under contract, but yes Veleno will need to be signed this summer.

I don't think Van Pottelberghe comes over. From everything I've heard and read, he has no interest in playing in North America and is content to stay in Switzerland. No big loss. I would say Larsson, Eliasson and Petruzzelli are all ahead of him anyway.

47 minus zetterberg and mule? Doesn’t technically count?guess I’m surprised some of the above guys mentioned count cause I seen guys like Matthew ford,Campbell,shine in Grand Rapids so I don’t know we would have them count towards our 50 unless it’s for the case we get 3-5 guys hurt up front during the year and need to call up puempel etc...

i just rechecked, my bad must of missed seeing mcisaac locked up

ya I agree those 3 goalies would be ahead but I suspected none would be close to Grand Rapids and saw pottelberghe was older , I remember him having some upside a year or two ago sucks he has no interest in North America, it’s too bad we can’t know these things prior to draft day but oh well

 

https://swisshockeynews.ch/index.php/shn/13-international/north-america/nhl/12207-van-pottelberghe-turned-down-an-entry-level-contract-offer-from-the-red-wings

 

this article says otherwise ... he still plans to come up and try and be a redwing which is good news , more goalies the better chances we can get a few of them to pan out 

 

https://wingsnation.com/2018/12/11/the-journey-of-joren-van-pottelberghe/

 

seen this , he got demoted this year but has put up good numbers , the article says at the bottom there’s plenty of room in Grand Rapids next season for him and I’d much rather have him next year than rybar and sateri

hes still 21 and goalies tend to take longer to develop and has the size and skill and I think we should sign him to 2 years and see what happens 

Edited February 23, 2019 by nyqvististhefuture

[kickazz 5,459]

43 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

47 minus zetterberg and mule? Doesn’t technically count?guess I’m surprised some of the above guys mentioned count cause I seen guys like Matthew ford,Campbell,shine in Grand Rapids so I don’t know we would have them count towards our 50 unless it’s for the case we get 3-5 guys hurt up front during the year and need to call up puempel etc...

i just rechecked, my bad must of missed seeing mcisaac locked up

ya I agree those 3 goalies would be ahead but I suspected none would be close to Grand Rapids and saw pottelberghe was older , I remember him having some upside a year or two ago sucks he has no interest in North America, it’s too bad we can’t know these things prior to draft day but oh well

 

https://swisshockeynews.ch/index.php/shn/13-international/north-america/nhl/12207-van-pottelberghe-turned-down-an-entry-level-contract-offer-from-the-red-wings

 

this article says otherwise ... he still plans to come up and try and be a redwing which is good news , more goalies the better chances we can get a few of them to pan out 

 

https://wingsnation.com/2018/12/11/the-journey-of-joren-van-pottelberghe/

 

seen this , he got demoted this year but has put up good numbers , the article says at the bottom there’s plenty of room in Grand Rapids next season for him and I’d much rather have him next year than rybar and sateri

hes still 21 and goalies tend to take longer to develop and has the size and skill and I think we should sign him to 2 years and see what happens 

Ok what's the TL;dr on this dude?

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

5 hours ago, kickazz said:

Ok what's the TL;dr on this dude?

Come again?

[kickazz 5,459]

16 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Come again?

Post was too long, didn't read it. Can you give us a summary..? 

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

39 minutes ago, kickazz said:

Post was too long, didn't read it. Can you give us a summary..? 

I’ll let you know later 

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

How many more call ups do the redwings have for this season from Grand Rapids? Trying to see if we might get looks at turgeon,holmstrom etc ... before the year seeing as they’ll be rfa’s 

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

So what are the chances we go into next season with all Bert,AA and mantha as rfa’s or should we try and extending these guys and trying to get bargain deals longterm? Only one I can see this happening with is bertuzzi 

AA I think would play hardball and bet on himself having a big year next season and have a feeling mantha would as well 

Bert for 5-6 yrs x 4 I think he’d do it ... think he’s good for 40-50 a yr and brings a lot of intangibles 

[amato 3,210]

On 2/20/2019 at 12:52 PM, LeftWinger said:

Would anyone trade Rasmussen for Quin Hughes?

Only if they so threw in McDavid and retained 50% of his cap hit. 

18 hours ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

How many more call ups do the redwings have for this season from Grand Rapids? Trying to see if we might get looks at turgeon,holmstrom etc ... before the year seeing as they’ll be rfa’s 

I think after the deadline teams get four callups, not counting any "emergency callups."

[krsmith17 7,191]

1 hour ago, amato said:

Only if they so threw in McDavid and retained 50% of his cap hit. 

I'm sure Vancouver would have no problem throwing McDavid in that deal... not sure about Edmonton though...

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

Howard likely to get a 2 year extension, and Holland thinks Kronwall has another year of play in him

 

[amato 3,210]

31 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Howard likely to get a 2 year extension, and Holland thinks Kronwall has another year of play in him

 

Howard for 2, I'm okay with. But am I missing Kronwall's good games or is Kenny seeing a different Kronwall?? 

[krsmith17 7,191]

40 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Howard likely to get a 2 year extension, and Holland thinks Kronwall has another year of play in him

7 minutes ago, amato said:

Howard for 2, I'm okay with. But am I missing Kronwall's good games or is Kenny seeing a different Kronwall?? 

Yeah, extending Howard is a must, and 2-3 years would be ideal, hopefully to a similar (or slightly less) cap hit.

Kronwall will never be a big point producer again, and he shouldn't be relied on to play big minutes, but in a 3rd pair, penalty killing role, he's fine. I'd be okay with re-signing him if there weren't such a logjam on the back end. We need to make room for Cholowski and Hronek, and with Green, DeKeyser, Daley and Ericsson already under contract beyond this season, there just isn't room for Kronwall. If you want to trade, waive or buy-out one of Daley or Ericsson, I guess I'd be okay with Kronwall coming back for one more season. I think it's time to move on though...

 

[kipwinger 8,496]

On 2/20/2019 at 12:52 PM, LeftWinger said:

Would anyone trade Rasmussen for Quin Hughes?

I get such a kick out of how hung up people are on big names sometimes.  Quinn Hughes is a really good defensive prospect.  But there are a couple of reasons to not just throw the bank at a guy like that. First, his style might not be that conducive to the more structured NHL game.  So there's a chance he'll be a better prospect than he will an NHL player (happens all the time, see: Pulkkinen, Teemu).  Secondly, we've already got a pretty good offensive defenseman who's putting up good points in the NHL already as a rookie.  Filip Hronek is scoring at a 40 point pace in the NHL ALREADY.  He just doesn't have the draft pedigree so people downplay it.  Why break the bank for a smallish, offensive, powerplay specialist, who needs to be sheltered at even strength when you've already got one?

Not saying I wouldn't trade for Quinn Hughes.  Just saying if you took names out of it and said Player A vs. Player B this might not be so clear cut. 

[krsmith17 7,191]

15 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

I get such a kick out of how hung up people are on big names sometimes.  Quinn Hughes is a really good defensive prospect.  But there are a couple of reasons to not just throw the bank at a guy like that. First, his style might not be that conducive to the more structured NHL game.  So there's a chance he'll be a better prospect than he will an NHL player (happens all the time, see: Pulkkinen, Teemu).  Secondly, we've already got a pretty good offensive defenseman who's putting up good points in the NHL already as a rookie.  Filip Hronek is scoring at a 40 point pace in the NHL ALREADY.  He just doesn't have the draft pedigree so people downplay it.  Why break the bank for a smallish, offensive, powerplay specialist, who needs to be sheltered at even strength when you've already got one?

Not saying I wouldn't trade for Quinn Hughes.  Just saying if you took names out of it and said Player A vs. Player B this might not be so clear cut. 

Quinn Hughes isn't really a "big name"... yet. No bigger than Rasmussen or any other top 10 pick. No one is suggesting to "throw / break the bank". It was a simple one for one trade proposal. It's not like he asked if we should trade Larkin for Hughes...

If you took the names out of it and said Player A (projects to be a 2nd line winger) vs Player B (projects to be a top 3 defenseman), most would choose player B.

[kipwinger 8,496]

19 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

Quinn Hughes isn't really a "big name"... yet. No bigger than Rasmussen or any other top 10 pick. No one is suggesting to "throw / break the bank". It was a simple one for one trade proposal. It's not like he asked if we should trade Larkin for Hughes...

If you took the names out of it and said Player A (projects to be a 2nd line winger) vs Player B (projects to be a top 3 defenseman), most would choose player B.

Trading a top 10 pick and one of the organization's most promising young players counts as a pretty significant price.  Particularly when we've already got an guy who looks like he'll be an undersized, top 3, offensive defensemen and powerplay specialist.  And we don't have anyone like Rasmussen in our organization

As for the 2nd line winger vs. top 3 defenseman, depends on what they're good at and what you've got a lot of.  If the winger makes your powerplay lethal because he's so good around the net then maybe he's the more valuable piece because he's so specialized.  I know when Holmostrom was on the team nobody was clamoring to trade him for anything, let alone an offensive defenseman who isn't likely going to be a #1 top guy (given his small stature and defensive shortcomings). 

Edited February 26, 2019 by kipwinger

[krsmith17 7,191]

7 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

Trading a top 10 pick and one of the organization's most promising young players counts as a pretty significant price.  Particularly when we've already got an guy who looks like he'll be an undersized, top 3, offensive defensemen and powerplay specialist.  And we don't have anyone like Rasmussen in our organization

As for the 2nd line winger vs. top 3 defenseman, depends on what they're good at and what you've got a lot of.  If the winger makes your powerplay lethal because he's so good around the net then maybe he's the more valuable piece because he's so specialized.  I know when Holmostrom was on the team nobody was clamoring to trade him for anything, let alone an offensive defenseman who isn't likely going to be a #1 top guy (given his small stature and defensive shortcomings). 

I don't know how you can consider trading a top 10 pick (9th overall) for another top 10 pick (7th overall) a "significant price"... I'd say there are about 6 forwards ahead of Rasmussen as most "promising young player" in the organization. I wouldn't trade him for just anything, but for a better player (regardless of position or area of need), you bet I would. Hughes wouldn't be my first choice of trade targets, but I think he would be an upgrade over anyone we currently have. You should always be looking to upgrade any way you can, and I think most would agree that Hughes is a better player / prospect than Rasmussen.

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

Would anyone have traded prime Holmstrom for prime Scott Niedermayer? Zubov?

[krsmith17 7,191]

8 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Would anyone have traded prime Holmstrom for prime Scott Niedermayer? Zubov?

Absof***inglutely!

[LeftWinger 4,936]

Twas not a suggestion to replace Hronek or Cholowski. If we win the Hughes lottery, I just figure it would be great to have both on our team. Especially since Hughes was 100% going to be our pick until Zadina fell to us. Plus it was just a question of opinion. 

Edited February 26, 2019 by LeftWinger