LeftWinger 4,959 Report post Posted June 20, 2018 I think it's best to trade Svech while he still has "potential value." If he plays 82 with us and only gets 10 points, there's no trade value left. 1 BinMucker94 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted June 20, 2018 13 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: Do you really feel like Svechnikov is ready? Search your heart man, not your m/o. Hey man, if you can recall my m.o. has changed quite a bit over the years. I used to always recommend prospects stay down longer, but since we're finally rebuilding, and the league in general is changing (getting much younger), I think these players are ready much sooner. And yes, I think Svechnikov is more than ready, and if utilized properly, he could be a 15-20-35 point producer this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted June 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: Hey man, if you can recall my m.o. has changed quite a bit over the years. I used to always recommend prospects stay down longer, but since we're finally rebuilding, and the league in general is changing (getting much younger), I think these players are ready much sooner. And yes, I think Svechnikov is more than ready, and if utilized properly, he could be a 15-20-35 point producer this season. explain plz 2 minutes ago, F.Michael said: Trade him to whomever drafts his brother. If it happens to be Carolina - apparently the rumor is they are willing to move 1 of their Dmen (Faulk is probably a candidate). Agreed. Of all the whacky trade scenarios I've scene flying around these threads, this one seems to make the most sense. What do you think F? Svechnikov + 30th plus the lower 2nd for Faulk? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted June 20, 2018 1 minute ago, The 91 of Ryans said: explain plz In the top 9, aka not on Glendening's wing in a "shutdown" role. Give him an extended look with legitimate line mates and I think he can be a solid middle 6 winger. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted June 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: In the top 9, aka not on Glendening's wing in a "shutdown" role. Give him an extended look with legitimate line mates and I think he can be a solid middle 6 winger. What's your top 9 look like with Svechnikov in the lineup? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted June 20, 2018 1 minute ago, The 91 of Ryans said: What's your top 9 look like with Svechnikov in the lineup? Bertuzzi - Zetterberg - Nyquist Athanasiou - Larkin - Mantha Rasmussen - Nielsen - Svechnikov Abdelkader - Helm - Glendening I know that 4th line isn't going to happen, but that's what I'd like to see... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted June 20, 2018 Just now, krsmith17 said: Bertuzzi - Zetterberg - Nyquist Athanasiou - Larkin - Mantha Rasmussen - Nielsen - Svechnikov Abdelkader - Helm - Glendening I know that 4th line isn't going to happen, but that's what I'd like to see... Exactly. So knowing that that won't actaully be the 4th line, where do you see Svechnikov playing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted June 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: Exactly. So knowing that that won't actaully be the 4th line, where do you see Svechnikov playing? On the 4th... I see what you did there... (By the way, how do you f***ers insert pics and gifs???) So, what does your forward lines look like with Vanek on the roster? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted June 20, 2018 8 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: On the 4th... I see what you did there... (By the way, how do you f***ers insert pics and gifs???) So, what does your forward lines look like with Vanek on the roster? Until AA "gets it" he either continues to play lesser minutes or they trade his ass. And that's how it should be. So, assuming he doesn't get traded: Bert - Z - Nyquist Abdlekader- Larkin - Mantha Rasmussen - Nielsen - Vanek AA - Glendenning - Helm If I could be convinced that Svechnikov could produce at even 75% of Vanek's level, I'd have no problem with you're 3rd line (swapping the two) Something else we need to think about. Injuries. The ol' Griffins ain't what they used to be and if someone like Nyquist or Mantha or gets hurt and Svechnikov is already up, who gets the call? Smith the rookie? Signing Vanek = better depth. 2 krsmith17 and Wheelchairsuperhero reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted June 20, 2018 58 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: (By the way, how do you f***ers insert pics and gifs???) Paste the direct link/URL in your message and it should automatically render! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Learn2LuvIt 245 Report post Posted June 20, 2018 3 hours ago, The 91 of Ryans said: Uhhhhh. Samuelsson brought a little more to the Wings than Frk has. Scored some huge goals in the 07, 08, 09 playoffs. Look it up. Yes, I remember. But looking at his entire body of work and compensation...way overrated. I remember (but don't have on hand so I can't provide the proof) his shoot vs. goal ratio was horrendous. I even remember Ken Kal talking about it on numerous occasions. He'd consistently, night-ater-night take these 30 foot wrist shots from the side boards that most goalies swallowed up. Great shooter, that's why we kept him on the team (and then went and reacquired him)...way overrated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted June 20, 2018 38 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: Until AA "gets it" he either continues to play lesser minutes or they trade his ass. And that's how it should be. So, assuming he doesn't get traded: Bert - Z - Nyquist Abdlekader- Larkin - Mantha Rasmussen - Nielsen - Vanek AA - Glendenning - Helm If I could be convinced that Svechnikov could produce at even 75% of Vanek's level, I'd have no problem with you're 3rd line (swapping the two) Something else we need to think about. Injuries. The ol' Griffins ain't what they used to be and if someone like Nyquist or Mantha or gets hurt and Svechnikov is already up, who gets the call? Smith the rookie? Signing Vanek = better depth. I'd be okay with these lines, I'd just personally have Svech in instead of signing Vanek. If there's an injury, recall Turgeon and move Athanasiou or Helm up if it's one of the top nine players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted June 20, 2018 8 minutes ago, Learn2LuvIt said: Yes, I remember. But looking at his entire body of work and compensation...way overrated. I remember (but don't have on hand so I can't provide the proof) his shoot vs. goal ratio was horrendous. I even remember Ken Kal talking about it on numerous occasions. He'd consistently, night-ater-night take these 30 foot wrist shots from the side boards that most goalies swallowed up. Great shooter, that's why we kept him on the team (and then went and reacquired him)...way overrated. Whatever. Picking on Sameulsson in 2009 was cliche. making fun of him in 2018 is just ridiculous. Why not call Frk Pulkinnen 2.0. Now there's another player who was truly useless. I'll just leave this here so you can reflect on the man more fondly. Note the great defensive play to kick it off (his defensive game was very underrated) 1 Neomaxizoomdweebie reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NerveDamage 4,176 Report post Posted June 20, 2018 1 hour ago, krsmith17 said: On the 4th... I see what you did there... (By the way, how do you f***ers insert pics and gifs???) 2 1 The 91 of Ryans, krsmith17 and Neomaxizoomdweebie reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted June 20, 2018 Prediction time: Tavares Carlson Karlsson Where they be? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted June 20, 2018 2 hours ago, The 91 of Ryans said: This would be true if Svechnikov had produced in the AHL last year. Even if he had scored 15-20 we wouldn't be having this debate. He had seven. Because no one's looking at how Svechnikov has actually performed. The buzz from his hype is still lingering... I see a future third liner who has absolutely not earned a spot in Detroit yet, and IMO he should not be gifted one just because he was a 1st round draft pick. 2 hours ago, Dabura said: Oh, totes. Veteran stopgaps are my aesthetic. Inject that s*** straight into my veins, fam. Pass that s***. I want the Vanek. I need the Vanek. 2 hours ago, LeftWinger said: I think it's best to trade Svech while he still has "potential value." If he plays 82 with us and only gets 10 points, there's no trade value left. Yes 2 hours ago, F.Michael said: Trade him to whomever drafts his brother. If it happens to be Carolina - apparently the rumor is they are willing to move 1 of their Dmen (Faulk is probably a candidate). OMG YES Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted June 20, 2018 18 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: Prediction time: Tavares - stays on the Islanders. Carlson - stays on the Caps. Karlsson - Vegas. Where they be? 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted June 20, 2018 12 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Because no one's looking at how Svechnikov has actually performed. The buzz from his hype is still lingering... I see a future third liner who has absolutely not earned a spot in Detroit yet, and IMO he should not be gifted one just because he was a 1st round draft pick. I was never really "HYPED" about Svechnikov, but I believe the "sophomore slump" is a real thing. He score 51 points in 74 games in his rookie season. Svech will be fine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Learn2LuvIt 245 Report post Posted June 20, 2018 52 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: Whatever. Picking on Sameulsson in 2009 was cliche. making fun of him in 2018 is just ridiculous. Why not call Frk Pulkinnen 2.0. Now there's another player who was truly useless. I'll just leave this here so you can reflect on the man more fondly. Note the great defensive play to kick it off (his defensive game was very underrated) Are you Samuelsson's mom?? (kidding). Easy.... not making fun with spite, just a comment in which i was drawing a comparison. Hard shot and overrated/overpaid. And...It wasn't cliche, it was pretty true based on what most in the media around here were talking about at the time. BTW...when reflecting on your own team's past successes....aren't all goals in the playoffs pretty big?? I thought you might insert a video of Boyd Devereaux and his important goals from the 2002 playoffs as a justification. Those bring back fond memories as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted June 20, 2018 I honestly believe Svechnikov's preseason injury is the major reason why he sucked for most of the season, only really starting to come on towards the end. Head/neck injuries can f*** you up. 2 SwedeLundin77 and krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwedeLundin77 460 Report post Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, The 91 of Ryans said: Exactly. So knowing that that won't actaully be the 4th line, where do you see Svechnikov playing? If we are entertaining Nyquist and/or Athanasiou (before the season)... Bertuzzi-Larkin-Mantha (grinder/net front presence-playmaker-sniper/power forward) Nyquist-Zetterberg-Svechnikov (playmaker-playmaker-power forward/sniper) Rasmussen-Nielsen-Abdelkader (power forward/net front-playmaker-grinder) *I would prefer Helm on this line over Abdelkader Turgeon-Glendening-Helm (grinders with a little playmaking ability (Turgeon & Helm)) Witkowski (waste of a roster spot) This is not to say that I don't agree that we should look into trading Svechnikov if it nets us something we need (defense, good pick). Edited June 20, 2018 by SwedeLundin77 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted June 20, 2018 1 minute ago, SwedeLundin77 said: If we are entertaining Nyquist and/or Athanasiou (before the season)... Bertuzzi-Larkin-Mantha (grinder/net front presence-playmaker-sniper/power forward) Nyquist-Zetterberg-Svechnikov (playmaker-playmaker-power forward/sniper) Rasmussen-Nielsen-Abdelkader (power forward/net front-playmaker-grinder) *I would prefer Helm on this line over Abdelkader Turgeon-Glendening-Helm (grinders with a little playmaking ability (Turgeon & Helm)) Witkowski (waste of a roster spot) This is not to say that I don't agree that we should look into trading Svechnikov if it nets us something we need (defense, good pick). You think Svechnikov deserves / has earned/ has proven he should be a top 6 winger? smh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwedeLundin77 460 Report post Posted June 20, 2018 1 minute ago, The 91 of Ryans said: You think Svechnikov deserves / has earned/ has proven he should be a top 6 winger? smh I think we are a rebuilding team and sometimes you give guys a chance. Svechnikov in his time last season played a very sound game. He didn't set the world on fire, but he also didn't play jack for minutes or any time on the man advantage. You asked a question, I'm just giving my answer. I'm sure as s***e not putting Abdelkader or Helm on the 2nd line, so in that scenario, what do you do? Shun the kid to crap minutes or let him learn from Zetterberg? Quit acting like we are the 2010 team and consider that times change and they need youth to take steps and grow. Do you think Rasmussen has proven he's a top 9 player since he hasn't played pro hockey yet? yada yada yada Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted June 20, 2018 1 minute ago, SwedeLundin77 said: I think we are a rebuilding team and sometimes you give guys a chance. Svechnikov in his time last season played a very sound game. He didn't set the world on fire, but he also didn't play jack for minutes or any time on the man advantage. You asked a question, I'm just giving my answer. I'm sure as s***e not putting Abdelkader or Helm on the 2nd line, so in that scenario, what do you do? Shun the kid to crap minutes or let him learn from Zetterberg? Quit acting like we are the 2010 team and consider that times change and they need youth to take steps and grow. Do you think Rasmussen has proven he's a top 9 player since he hasn't played pro hockey yet? yada yada yada Put him back in AHL where he belongs 1 The 91 of Ryans reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,959 Report post Posted June 21, 2018 7 hours ago, The 91 of Ryans said: Prediction time: Tavares Carlson Karlsson Where they be? Islanders (if Trotz goes there) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
