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6/22 GDT - 2018 Entry Draft

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14 minutes ago, Wheelchairsuperhero said:

As someone who watched a little of Kotkaniemi's gameplay so far I'd agree. I will say though that when/if Zadina figures out his game at the pro level, he's going to be significantly more fun to watch. I think Kotkaniemi can be good and looks more ready than I anticipated, but I don't see a huge, dynamic upside there. Zadina on the other hand is a player in the same mold as Kucherov, IMO. It may take him a while to get there (like Kucherov) and he obviously may not be as good, but there's a lot of upside. Of course at the end of the day it's apples/oranges. Good two way center or good scoring winger, be thrilled to have either. 

"Good two way scoring winger" you mean?

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12 minutes ago, Wheelchairsuperhero said:

As someone who watched a little of Kotkaniemi's gameplay so far I'd agree. I will say though that when/if Zadina figures out his game at the pro level, he's going to be significantly more fun to watch. I think Kotkaniemi can be good and looks more ready than I anticipated, but I don't see a huge, dynamic upside there. Zadina on the other hand is a player in the same mold as Kucherov, IMO. It may take him a while to get there (like Kucherov) and he obviously may not be as good, but there's a lot of upside. Of course at the end of the day it's apples/oranges. Good two way center or good scoring winger, be thrilled to have either. 

Yeah I mean Kucherov spent about 20 games in the AHL his first season and only amassed 18 pts in the NHL that season.

Season two he's at 65 pts.

Zadina could be going down a similar road.

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6 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

Kotkaniemi has a goal, 2 assists and 4 shots on goal in 5 pre-season games. That's pretty good, but I'm not sure I'd consider that sort of production "REALLY" good. I mean, Zadina has 2 goals (one being an OT winner), an assist and 9 shots on goal in 5 pre-season games, and we're all pretty "meh" on him so far. Some, including yourself even think he'd benefit from a season in the AHL before eventually (hopefully) becoming a star in the NHL. I still say Zadina was the right pick, even if we did move up in the draft lottery and end up with the 3rd overall pick. Kotkaniemi does look like a good pick for Montreal though. It's not like they picked Barrett Hayton...

Curious, where do you think Rasmussen will end up in the lineup 2-3 years from now? Center or wing? 1st / 2nd / 3rd line?

I know you didn't ask me, but....with Larkin as the consensus 1C and Veleno looking to be the future 2C, I see Rass slotting in as a LW on one of the top 2 lines most nights, with the occasional 2C duties when there's an injury or back to back games.

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2 hours ago, Wheelchairsuperhero said:

As someone who watched a little of Kotkaniemi's gameplay so far I'd agree. I will say though that when/if Zadina figures out his game at the pro level, he's going to be significantly more fun to watch. I think Kotkaniemi can be good and looks more ready than I anticipated, but I don't see a huge, dynamic upside there. Zadina on the other hand is a player in the same mold as Kucherov, IMO. It may take him a while to get there (like Kucherov) and he obviously may not be as good, but there's a lot of upside. Of course at the end of the day it's apples/oranges. Good two way center or good scoring winger, be thrilled to have either. 

I suspect Larkin's emergence last season, combined with the Rasmussen pick, helped place Kotkaniemi behind Zadina on the Wings' wish list. I like Kotkaniemi, I don't think the Kopitar comparisons are without merit, and I won't claim that Zadina is definitely the better player. But I do think we needed Zadina more than we needed Kotkaniemi, even before Veleno fell to us.

I've always liked Veleno more than Kotkaniemi, so I really mean it when I say we got arguably the best sniper in the draft and arguably the best centerman in the draft. I'm 100% happy with how our 1st round played out.

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1 hour ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

I know you didn't ask me, but....with Larkin as the consensus 1C and Veleno looking to be the future 2C, I see Rass slotting in as a LW on one of the top 2 lines most nights, with the occasional 2C duties when there's an injury or back to back games.

This is pretty much where I'm at as well. We have Larkin and Veleno (hopefully) as our future top 2C's. But more than that, I just think Rasmussen's style of play is better suited on the wing. This is not a knock on Ras, because I think he will be a beast for us. 

 

16 minutes ago, Dabura said:

I suspect Larkin's emergence last season, combined with the Rasmussen pick, helped place Kotkaniemi behind Zadina on the Wings' wish list. I like Kotkaniemi, I don't think the Kopitar comparisons are without merit, and I won't claim that Zadina is definitely the better player. But I do think we needed Zadina more than we needed Kotkaniemi, even before Veleno fell to us.

I've always liked Veleno more than Kotkaniemi, so I really mean it when I say we got arguably the best sniper in the draft and arguably the best centerman in the draft. I'm 100% happy with how our 1st round played out.

Yup, samezies.

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Absolutely the most retarded draft. We lost our rights to all these retarded players this year besides Ras and Lindstrom.

In a lot of ways this was the first draft of our rebuild. Larkin was taken the year before at 15. And now we had stepped up to 9, and Larkin would be joining the team early.

1. Ras - complimentary, but good role player - drafted roughly 5 spots too early
>Could've had Suzuki, Necas, Chiytil, Norris, Yamamoto
2. Lindstrom - bottom pairing defensive Dman
>Could've had Robertson, Texier, Volkov, Comtois, Geekie
3. Kotkansalo - can barely find a job in Finland
3. Zablocki - demoted to BCHL
3. Gallant - ECHL
3. Petruzzelli - so disgusted by the players drafted above him he abandons the team
4. Setkov - Sweden 2nd tier league
5. Fraser - Barely able to make the ECHL
6. Adams - low level college player
6. Webb - low level CHL player
7. Gilmour - low level CHL player

This is how you get fired. It almost not so much that Holland and Wright didn't land anything after Lindstrom, it how bad the players they did draft from Kotkansalo to Gimour actually did. All x9 did nothing besides maybe Petruzzelli. Nothing to the point where it makes you wonder if these were random selections. At least Elfstrom showed promise... at least Ehn could make the NHL... at least Kadeykin could flirt with the NHL... all 8 picks in the late rounds besides Petru bombed hard.

Everything prior to 2019 should be sold in favor of Yzerman building.

...so, to carry on with what @BarkBurgerman brought up in the "2017 Draft" thread, here are our picks in 2018. This seems to be a little better, but honestly, I do believe this is the summer that Yzerman "stepped away" from his duties with Tampa to be at "home" more with his "family." There were always the rumors that he was secretly a part of the decision making process from this particular off-season and up until he was officially hired. Just rumors...plus he's already traded Regula from this draft, one would think if he was in any of the decisions this draft, he would give "his picks" all the chances to make it in this organization.

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..that being said, hindsight is always 20/20 and maybe we could've made a few better choices? I will still give Zadina the chances to prove he can be that player he was projected to be, but I will always wish we had gone D instead. I was hoping for Bouchard, but any of him, Hughes or Dobson would've been good. I wonder what we could acquire for Zadina 1 for 1, considering he still has that "potential" tag on him? I really hope McIsaac can shake his injury problems too. The three I am excited about (not mentioning Zadina since I already said I'd give him his chances) are Veleno, Berggren and if McIsaac can actually make it. I know Barton just signed and Brattstrom has one more year left on his ELC. He is 24 now though since he was drafted at 21. I am not too sure he is going to make an jump to N/A let alone The Wings. It's definitely looking as Hughes is the gem D in this draft so far. Yes, he has 10 less points than Dahlin, but he has played in 70 less games...albeit for a much better team than Buffalo. I think whoever made that final decision to draft Zadina (Holland or Wright?) made a catastrophic mistake not taking Hughes.

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48 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

...so, to carry on with what @BarkBurgerman brought up in the "2017 Draft" thread, here are our picks in 2018. This seems to be a little better, but honestly, I do believe this is the summer that Yzerman "stepped away" from his duties with Tampa to be at "home" more with his "family." There were always the rumors that he was secretly a part of the decision making process from this particular off-season and up until he was officially hired. Just rumors...plus he's already traded Regula from this draft, one would think if he was in any of the decisions this draft, he would give "his picks" all the chances to make it in this organization.

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..that being said, hindsight is always 20/20 and maybe we could've made a few better choices? I will still give Zadina the chances to prove he can be that player he was projected to be, but I will always wish we had gone D instead. I was hoping for Bouchard, but any of him, Hughes or Dobson would've been good. I wonder what we could acquire for Zadina 1 for 1, considering he still has that "potential" tag on him? I really hope McIsaac can shake his injury problems too. The three I am excited about (not mentioning Zadina since I already said I'd give him his chances) are Veleno, Berggren and if McIsaac can actually make it. I know Barton just signed and Brattstrom has one more year left on his ELC. He is 24 now though since he was drafted at 21. I am not too sure he is going to make an jump to N/A let alone The Wings. It's definitely looking as Hughes is the gem D in this draft so far. Yes, he has 10 less points than Dahlin, but he has played in 70 less games...albeit for a much better team than Buffalo. I think whoever made that final decision to draft Zadina (Holland or Wright?) made a catastrophic mistake not taking Hughes.

Zadina - What can we we say that hasn't been said already? Seemed like we were going D fersure in that draft, and even that Hughes may have been our guy. But Zadina falling was too juicy for Holland, and blaming him for that is 20/20 hindsight. I was excited at the time too.

Veleno - 1C? Probably not. He's looked real good so far, but he seems like Larkin, in that his offense will always leaving you wanting more. Still, that's a decent pick at #30 overall.

Berggren - Basically a first rounder. Looks great, but we'll see. He may be able to deliver the extra offense we're looking for at the expense of him being less well rounded than Larkin or Veleno.

McIsaac - Another good pick in my book and basically a late first again. Injuries are frustrating, but we couldn't have foreseen that.

Regula - The trade stings. Good player and hometown kid. He's already got 16 AHL games and 3 NHL games as a 20 year old Dman. Good pick.

Barton - Signed already at 21 which is a good sign. Seems like a Gustav Lindstrom depth Dman. Not a bad pick in the 3rd round.

Eliasson - Probably nothing there

O'Reilly - Probably nothing there

Brattstrom - Probably nothing there, with a small chance he comes over

Kivenmaki - Probably nothing there, with a small chance he comes over

Draft looks to be something like 5/10 to me so far. That's really good actually. A lot better than 3/11 in the 2017 draft.

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49 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Zadina - What can we we say that hasn't been said already? Seemed like we were going D fersure in that draft, and even that Hughes may have been our guy. But Zadina falling was too juicy for Holland, and blaming him for that is 20/20 hindsight. I was excited at the time too.

Veleno - 1C? Probably not. He's looked real good so far, but he seems like Larkin, in that his offense will always leaving you wanting more. Still, that's a decent pick at #30 overall.

Berggren - Basically a first rounder. Looks great, but we'll see. He may be able to deliver the extra offense we're looking for at the expense of him being less well rounded than Larkin or Veleno.

McIsaac - Another good pick in my book and basically a late first again. Injuries are frustrating, but we couldn't have foreseen that.

Regula - The trade stings. Good player and hometown kid. He's already got 16 AHL games and 3 NHL games as a 20 year old Dman. Good pick.

Barton - Signed already at 21 which is a good sign. Seems like a Gustav Lindstrom depth Dman. Not a bad pick in the 3rd round.

Eliasson - Probably nothing there

O'Reilly - Probably nothing there

Brattstrom - Probably nothing there, with a small chance he comes over

Kivenmaki - Probably nothing there, with a small chance he comes over

Draft looks to be something like 5/10 to me so far. That's really good actually. A lot better than 3/11 in the 2017 draft.

I've been on that since draft night Brah, Zadina would have fallen out of the top 10 IMHO had we not taken him.

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1 minute ago, mackel said:

I've been on that since draft night Brah, Zadina would have fallen out of the top 10 IMHO had we not taken him.

Maybe Rangers take him at 9? They chose another RW in that spot. But you are right on with him falling further than 7 if we didn't pick him. If Detroit took Hughes, I could see Vancouver and Chicago still going D since there were still 3 or 4 good ones on the board.

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So far, 86 NHL games with 15 goals and 22 assists.  By age 21.  This guy is off to a great start.  I have no idea why everyone is so down on Zadina.  The absolute worst we are going to get is 3rd line NHLer for 15 years.  But it's looking more like top 6 forward for that stretch.  What gives with the Zadina hate?

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9 hours ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

So far, 86 NHL games with 15 goals and 22 assists.  By age 21.  This guy is off to a great start.  I have no idea why everyone is so down on Zadina.  The absolute worst we are going to get is 3rd line NHLer for 15 years.  But it's looking more like top 6 forward for that stretch.  What gives with the Zadina hate?

Thus ends the  @mackel summer vacation from LGWs

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11 hours ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Thus ends the  @mackel summer vacation from LGWs

Nah everyone knows I'm right... and are slowly but surely admitting it to themselves...  because everyone hopes to get a 3rd liner at 6OA.  :clap:

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