Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted February 20, 2019 (edited) On 2/19/2019 at 9:28 AM, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Correct. You cant coach a team to play a way they lack the skill to play. Well, what's the consequence? Losing games and being at the bottom of the standings? .... If the team was having at least some success at dump and chase that's one thing. But whether our players play with a little more patience in our zone and fail to make a play up the ice or just dump it to the neutral zone, the result is the same. I'd rather have our players that will be here years from now to attempt to play in a successful strategy and lose than play in a bad one and still also lose. If we were in a playoff spot right now, then I would agree. But we're a failing team right now, so if you're saying we'd fail if we tried to play a more puck possession game, then...? On 2/19/2019 at 7:49 AM, F.Michael said: While I don't mean to defend Blash here, but this teams lacks both the skill for the puck possession game, and the size (and the willingness to play physically) for the dump & chase. Agreed, so failing at puck possession and losing is better than failing at dump and chase and losing. But Blashill is having them constantly dumping the puck into the neutral zone. That will never be winning hockey. Edited February 20, 2019 by Z and D for the C Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted February 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Z and D for the C said: Well, what's the consequence? Losing games and being at the bottom of the standings? .... If the team was having at least some success at dump and chase that's one thing. But whether our players play with a little more patience in our zone and fail to make a play up the ice or just dump it to the neutral zone, the result is the same. I'd rather have our players that will be here years from now to attempt to play in a successful strategy and lose than play in a bad one and still also lose. If we were in a playoff spot right now, then I would agree. But we're a failing team right now, so if you're saying we'd fail if we tried to play a more puck possession game, then...? Agreed, so failing at puck possession and losing is better than failing at dump and chase and losing. But Blashill is having them constantly dumping the puck into the neutral zone. That will never be winning hockey. The difference is that they are learning how to play a style that suits their skill set while losing so that they can learn how to win eventually as opposed to trying to play a style that is beyond their skill set while losing and NEVER being able to win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted February 20, 2019 3 hours ago, Z and D for the C said: I'd rather have our players that will be here years from now to attempt to play in a successful strategy and lose than play in a bad one and still also lose. But what is a "successful strategy"? What is a "bad one"? There isn't "one" right strategy. Several different ways to win games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted February 20, 2019 Constantly dumping the puck into the neutral zone to the other team isn't a successful strategy. 1 hour ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: The difference is that they are learning how to play a style that suits their skill set while losing so that they can learn how to win eventually as opposed to trying to play a style that is beyond their skill set while losing and NEVER being able to win. Well isn't the point that we're going to try and build skill through the draft as we rebuild? It doesn't look like I'm going to win this argument - I just don't like the way Blashill coaches our team and I hope he's not our coach after this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted February 20, 2019 The thing is, our skilled players, the one's that we're building around, our future, don't generally dump and chase as you're suggesting. The players that can successfully exit and enter the zone (Larkin, Athanasiou, Mantha, Nyquist) rarely dump the puck in, unless it's at the end of a shift and they're looking for a change. For the most part, the rest of the players can't really weave through traffic, so the right thing to do is dump and chase. Give it another year or two, when we start to see more talented kids coming into the lineup (*Hughes*, Veleno, Zadina, Berggren, etc) and they'll be playing more of a puck possession game, regardless who the coach is. 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtlantaHotWings 982 Report post Posted February 21, 2019 16 hours ago, krsmith17 said: The thing is, our skilled players, the one's that we're building around, our future, don't generally dump and chase as you're suggesting. The players that can successfully exit and enter the zone (Larkin, Athanasiou, Mantha, Nyquist) rarely dump the puck in, unless it's at the end of a shift and they're looking for a change. For the most part, the rest of the players can't really weave through traffic, so the right thing to do is dump and chase. Give it another year or two, when we start to see more talented kids coming into the lineup (*Hughes*, Veleno, Zadina, Berggren, etc) and they'll be playing more of a puck possession game, regardless who the coach is. I think we are a split personality team currently IMHO 1st and 2nd lines on most nights are puck possession whereas the 3rd and 4th are dump and chase. I agree with with KRS that will start to change over time as we replace parts in the bottom 6. I would love to see in the future 4 lines able to roll with equal distribution of ability to score and defend. 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted February 21, 2019 17 minutes ago, AtlantaHotWings said: I think we are a split personality team currently IMHO 1st and 2nd lines on most nights are puck possession whereas the 3rd and 4th are dump and chase. I agree with with KRS that will start to change over time as we replace parts in the bottom 6. I would love to see in the future 4 lines able to roll with equal distribution of ability to score and defend. I agree. However, it's pretty rare for a 4th line to have the skill to play a puck possession game. Most 4th lines dump and chase, grind down low, hack and whack to be effective. I'd like to see a top 9 that can play more of a puck possession game, but as it stands right now, we don't have the players to do it. Blashill is far from perfect, but his systems are actually pretty effective for what he has to work with. If you want to complain about the coaching, complain about player usage. I'd say constant line shuffling too, but that doesn't even seem to be such an issue anymore. My biggest beef with Blashill has been burying players like Athanasiou and Rasmussen, but that would change as well once we get rid of all the grinders and inject more skill in the lineup. 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted February 21, 2019 17 hours ago, krsmith17 said: The thing is, our skilled players, the one's that we're building around, our future, don't generally dump and chase as you're suggesting. The players that can successfully exit and enter the zone (Larkin, Athanasiou, Mantha, Nyquist) rarely dump the puck in, unless it's at the end of a shift and they're looking for a change. For the most part, the rest of the players can't really weave through traffic, so the right thing to do is dump and chase. Give it another year or two, when we start to see more talented kids coming into the lineup (*Hughes*, Veleno, Zadina, Berggren, etc) and they'll be playing more of a puck possession game, regardless who the coach is. Spot on. Helm, Glendening, Abdelkader, Ehn, and De La Rose can't play a possession game due to a low skill level. The problem is these guys aren't all that good at the dump and chase game either. We turn the puck over constantly when our third and 4th lines are on the ice. Stone-Larkin-Zadina Kakko-Veleno-Athanasiou Bertuzzi-Rasmussen-Mantha Glendening - De La Rose - Svechnikov One big right handed UFA and one good right handed draft pick away from a very formidable forward group. But ditching Nielsen and Abdelkader is going to be a challenge. 10 million a year tied up in those 2 hurts so bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted February 21, 2019 3 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said: Spot on. Helm, Glendening, Abdelkader, Ehn, and De La Rose can't play a possession game due to a low skill level. The problem is these guys aren't all that good at the dump and chase game either. We turn the puck over constantly when our third and 4th lines are on the ice. Stone-Larkin-Zadina Kakko-Veleno-Athanasiou Bertuzzi-Rasmussen-Mantha Glendening - De La Rose - Svechnikov One big right handed UFA and one good right handed draft pick away from a very formidable forward group. But ditching Nielsen and Abdelkader is going to be a challenge. 10 million a year tied up in those 2 hurts so bad. Being a Hoosier like John Mellencamp, I can tell you that it hurts so good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted February 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Being a Hoosier like John Mellencamp, I can tell you that it hurts so good. That's a good jam! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted February 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Jonas Mahonas said: That's a good jam! This is awesome on toast with a hearty spread of butter... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted February 21, 2019 1 hour ago, F.Michael said: This is awesome on toast with a hearty spread of butter... QFT Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted February 22, 2019 1 hour ago, F.Michael said: This is awesome on toast with a hearty spread of butter... 1. Marmalade is not jam. 2. It's not a Wisconsin dairy product. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted February 22, 2019 19 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: 1. Marmalade is not jam. 2. It's not a Wisconsin dairy product. Neither is this... 1 Neomaxizoomdweebie reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted February 23, 2019 Sure Stacey, Mike treats me good and all but I'm just like bored with him, ya know? I'm still young and I wanna be free and experience new things before I'm old. OMG Jeff ur sucha loser. Why did I ever date you? I can't believe I ever dated a loser like you leave me alone. YOU ARE HERE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted March 2, 2019 what did he mean by this 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted March 2, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Dabura said: what did he mean by this Mean he might be our next GM and the "anti-Yzerman as GM" crowd might have to suck a big one. Realistically though. It just means Chris Illitch doesn't have a clue about anything except for what he just said. Edited March 2, 2019 by kickazz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted March 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Dabura said: what did he mean by this 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted March 2, 2019 (edited) It means Y is still under contract with TBL and can't discuss anything in regards to him coming back. Ilitch isnt Lebron and this isnt the NBA. Edited March 2, 2019 by Neomaxizoomdweebie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted March 3, 2019 Tampa Bay has now tied the 1995/96 Red Wings for the fastest team to 50 wins (66 games) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted March 3, 2019 19 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Ilitch isnt Lebron and this isnt the NBA. what did he mean by this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted March 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Dabura said: what did he mean by this Tampering Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted March 3, 2019 20 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Tampering Tamper Bay Lightning? 1 1 Wheelchairsuperhero and kickazz reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted March 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Dabura said: Tamper Bay Lightning? You're not getting a like for this. 2 1 ChristopherReevesLegs, Wheelchairsuperhero and Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wheelchairsuperhero 1,453 Report post Posted March 4, 2019 5 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: You're not getting a like for this. I couldn't help myself. 1 1 Dabura and _SP_ reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
