Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted September 16, 2018 40 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Yes I know. The thread title says Z has retired. He hasn't. He's going onto LTIR. I was poking fun at you. I think everyone here knows what's up, so, to me, "retirement" versus "LTIR" is kinda splitting hairs. *shrug* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted September 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, Dabura said: I was poking fun at you. I think everyone here knows what's up, so, to me, "retirement" versus "LTIR" is kinda splitting hairs. *shrug* The language concerns me. "Retired"' screws the team because of the recapture penalty in the new CBA. Being put on LTIR allows the team the cap relief. It may be splitting hairs to us, but I think the league might feel differently. Pretend like you're having a current events discussion with a snowflake...it's kinda like that. 1 Rick D reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted September 16, 2018 12 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: The language concerns me. "Retired"' screws the team because of the recapture penalty in the new CBA. Being put on LTIR allows the team the cap relief. It may be splitting hairs to us, but I think the league might feel differently. Pretend like you're having a current events discussion with a snowflake...it's kinda like that. Wait, I'm confused. What's concerning? Are we concerned about the title of this thread being incorrect/misleading? Because I think that's splitting hairs. Or are we concerned about the league being unhappy with the situation? If we're concerned about the league being unhappy...they can pound sand. They've never tried to bring the hammer down on an LTIRement case before and I can't imagine they'd break tradition for this one. Or are we concerned that Zetterberg is actually straight-up retiring, rather than going into LTIRement? As far as I'm aware, he's going the LITRement path and no one in the organization or in the media has said otherwise. 3 e_prime, krsmith17 and The 91 of Ryans reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted September 16, 2018 36 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: The language concerns me. "Retired"' screws the team because of the recapture penalty in the new CBA. Being put on LTIR allows the team the cap relief. It may be splitting hairs to us, but I think the league might feel differently. Pretend like you're having a current events discussion with a snowflake...it's kinda like that. ******* millennial Bettmans!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted September 16, 2018 9 hours ago, Dabura said: Wait, I'm confused. What's concerning? Are we concerned about the title of this thread being incorrect/misleading? Because I think that's splitting hairs. Or are we concerned about the league being unhappy with the situation? If we're concerned about the league being unhappy...they can pound sand. They've never tried to bring the hammer down on an LTIRement case before and I can't imagine they'd break tradition for this one. Or are we concerned that Zetterberg is actually straight-up retiring, rather than going into LTIRement? As far as I'm aware, he's going the LITRement path and no one in the organization or in the media has said otherwise. Admittedly I was concerned when I first saw the thread title because I thought that Z was officially retiring, which would have been a huge problem. Upon reading the article, I felt better about it. What does concern me still is the role the league will take. We joke repeatedly about Franzens LTIRetirement, and Prongers before that, and then Hossas. But it would seem that Z's was the contract that seemed to implement the stricter rules and penalties under the new CBA. It was even admitted publicly that his contract was intentionally structured to circumvent the cap under the old CBA. I just think that Z and the team need to be careful when it comes to the terminologies used when discussing the end of his career. I don't want this situation to become the one where Bettman decides to finally set an example when it comes to skirting the rules. Just be careful is all I am saying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,961 Report post Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) Weird how the LTIR works. I go to capfriendly.com, use the Armchair GM mode to make a team. I place Z on LTIR 1st, then Franzen, it gives me an available cap of $1.14M, I place Franzen on LTIR 1st, then Z and it gives me an available cap of $5.4M. Obviously Holland will do it in the right order or he won't be able to promote but ONE player from GR. Then, after I promote Zadina, Ras and Hronek I am left with $2.8M. BUT if I promote them FIRST then LTIR Z and Franzen, in that order, I am left with $3.6M cap......so crazy! If I promote them first and only LTIR Z, I am at $0 cap space, so I don't even have to put Franzen on LTIR to be compliant. Strange rules! And yes, I am using LTIR PRO Mode. Edited September 16, 2018 by LeftWinger 1 Rick D reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted September 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Admittedly I was concerned when I first saw the thread title because I thought that Z was officially retiring, which would have been a huge problem. Upon reading the article, I felt better about it. What does concern me still is the role the league will take. We joke repeatedly about Franzens LTIRetirement, and Prongers before that, and then Hossas. But it would seem that Z's was the contract that seemed to implement the stricter rules and penalties under the new CBA. It was even admitted publicly that his contract was intentionally structured to circumvent the cap under the old CBA. I just think that Z and the team need to be careful when it comes to the terminologies used when discussing the end of his career. I don't want this situation to become the one where Bettman decides to finally set an example when it comes to skirting the rules. Just be careful is all I am saying. I think they've given up on actually recapturing any penalty at this point. I'm sure in the next cba they'll tie up loopholes on trading guys who will never play again... but... until then... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Admittedly I was concerned when I first saw the thread title because I thought that Z was officially retiring, which would have been a huge problem. Upon reading the article, I felt better about it. What does concern me still is the role the league will take. We joke repeatedly about Franzens LTIRetirement, and Prongers before that, and then Hossas. But it would seem that Z's was the contract that seemed to implement the stricter rules and penalties under the new CBA. It was even admitted publicly that his contract was intentionally structured to circumvent the cap under the old CBA. I just think that Z and the team need to be careful when it comes to the terminologies used when discussing the end of his career. I don't want this situation to become the one where Bettman decides to finally set an example when it comes to skirting the rules. Just be careful is all I am saying. Understandable. Personally, I really don't think Bettman pokes this hornets nest at this time, for a number of reasons. I'm guessing LTIRement will be addressed in the upcoming lockout. I guess I'm just not sure why you seem to think we -- a few dozen fans on a non-corporate forum -- need to be careful about the wording. I'd like to think LGW.com has the power to shape NHL policy, but we ain't exactly 4chan. Edited September 16, 2018 by Dabura Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,476 Report post Posted September 16, 2018 Until they punish the Hawks for the hossa "allergy" they wont even come close to touching Zetterberg. He had a back surgery, missed half a season of practices and has ongoing back issues for years. 1 e_prime reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buppy 1,720 Report post Posted September 16, 2018 7 hours ago, LeftWinger said: Weird how the LTIR works. I go to capfriendly.com, use the Armchair GM mode to make a team. I place Z on LTIR 1st, then Franzen, it gives me an available cap of $1.14M, I place Franzen on LTIR 1st, then Z and it gives me an available cap of $5.4M. Obviously Holland will do it in the right order or he won't be able to promote but ONE player from GR. Then, after I promote Zadina, Ras and Hronek I am left with $2.8M. BUT if I promote them FIRST then LTIR Z and Franzen, in that order, I am left with $3.6M cap......so crazy! If I promote them first and only LTIR Z, I am at $0 cap space, so I don't even have to put Franzen on LTIR to be compliant. Strange rules! And yes, I am using LTIR PRO Mode. I was noticing the weirdness as well. I'm not positive, but I don't think it's calculating the 2nd LTIR correctly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFwinger 21 Report post Posted September 17, 2018 Thanks Z for everything... You will be missed 1 The 91 of Ryans reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,961 Report post Posted September 17, 2018 12 hours ago, Buppy said: I was noticing the weirdness as well. I'm not positive, but I don't think it's calculating the 2nd LTIR correctly. I honestly think the $5.4M is closer to being correct. Before they signed Larkin, that's about what they had by factoring in just Franzen's LTIR. Z and Larkin are pretty much a wash, so it should be somewhere in that range. I think what happens is they only use what they need. Even though Z and Franzen's cap equals almost $10M, if, let's say the three kids salary equals $3M, that's all the LTIR we'll show being used and it'll also still only show $0 in available cap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted September 17, 2018 20 hours ago, Dabura said: Understandable. Personally, I really don't think Bettman pokes this hornets nest at this time, for a number of reasons. I'm guessing LTIRement will be addressed in the upcoming lockout. I guess I'm just not sure why you seem to think we -- a few dozen fans on a non-corporate forum -- need to be careful about the wording. I'd like to think LGW.com has the power to shape NHL policy, but we ain't exactly 4chan. I'm referring to Z and the organization when i talk about "language". LGWers can (and do) say whatever they want. 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted September 17, 2018 14 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: I'm referring to Z and the organization when i talk about "language". LGWers can (and do) say whatever they want. Ah, ok. I misunderstood. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted September 19, 2018 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted September 19, 2018 13 hours ago, kickazz said: I never knew that as a child he looked like JTT lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeymom1960 5,107 Report post Posted September 19, 2018 17 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said: CJ: And what are you NOT going to miss? Z: Nyquist's poke and hope hockey. This made me laugh 17 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said: CJ: And what are you NOT going to miss? Z: Nyquist's poke and hope hockey. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeymom1960 5,107 Report post Posted September 20, 2018 5 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said: !!! Your quote about Nyquist is what made me laugh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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LoveMyRedWings56 73 Report post Posted September 22, 2018 Henrik Zetterberg hasn't officially retired, This is false. He's stated that he wont retire until after his contract is up in 3 years. Hence LTIR for Z and he still gets his $5.335 million that's left. 1 Rick D reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,476 Report post Posted September 23, 2018 15 hours ago, LoveMyRedWings56 said: Henrik Zetterberg hasn't officially retired, This is false. He's stated that he wont retire until after his contract is up in 3 years. Hence LTIR for Z and he still gets his $5.335 million that's left. Yes we know. If 6ou scroll up to the top of the page you'll see some bickering about it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xault 272 Report post Posted September 24, 2018 Really wanted to see him play one more season. Grow up watching Z, hard to watch him go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted September 27, 2018 On 9/24/2018 at 1:38 PM, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Is it just me, or does his beard look less impressive now. it's like he's a Bizarro Beard Samson. As his hockey game weakens, so does his facial hair. Weird. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWingsRox 614 Report post Posted September 27, 2018 No people ... you do not want to see him play one more season ... he started to deteriorate, showing his age ... another season, what for ... and why? No point really. Now we will get to see him play the Classic outdoor games when the legendary Wings play the Leafs or something like thaat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites