LeftWinger 4,953 Report post Posted October 4, 2018 46 minutes ago, kalaco said: You are correct that the standings don't matter until the end of the season. But if you are going to list the standings during the season, does it make more sense to use a method to sort the teams which: A) treats regulation losses the same as not playing B) differentiates regulation losses from not playing You are correct that the standings don't matter until the end of the season. But if you are going to list the standings during the season, does it make more sense to use a method to sort the teams which: A) treats regulation losses the same as not playing B) differentiates regulation losses from not playing Using points pct or GA500 would yield the same seedings at the end of the season and wouldn't treat a regulation loss the same as not playing. If you are going to list the standings during the season, does it make more sense to use a method to sort the teams which: A) treats regulation losses the same as not playing B) differentiates regulation losses from not playing Is this one of those Korean Spam posts? It just saying the same thing! 2 krsmith17 and ChristopherReevesLegs reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted October 4, 2018 1 hour ago, LeftWinger said: Is this one of those Korean Spam posts? It just saying the same thing! This thread makes me think Steven Hawking's computer is lonely since his death and is reaching out into cyberspace seeking companionship on this forum. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buppy 1,720 Report post Posted October 4, 2018 2 hours ago, kalaco said: You are correct that the standings don't matter until the end of the season. But if you are going to list the standings during the season, does it make more sense to use a method to sort the teams which: A) treats regulation losses the same as not playing B) differentiates regulation losses from not playing Great, you realize that the standings don't matter. So the sort criteria is arbitrary. 2 hours ago, kalaco said: Buppy, how would you go about determining under which goaltender your team performed better: Goaltender A: 20-25-5 (50 pts) Goaltender B: 20-0-0 (40 pts) Think about it and let me know how you arrived at your conclusion. Toby - help myself and others understand why it would make more sense to list a 20-21 team ahead of a 19-18 team. I am honestly surprised. I was sure your next topic was going to be "Why does the NHL list wins/losses as stats for goaltenders?" But to answer the question: I would, like most people, use my brain to make a decision. A decision that would be the same regardless of how said goaltenders were ranked in whatever list I was looking at. It seems you need a website to think for you. Sorry about your luck. If you're so upset about the NHL standings, you should be more proactive in your campaign. Since you probably need assistance on how to go about this, please visit www.HowToWriteALetterToYourCongressmanAskingForSomethingStupid.com for further instruction. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted October 4, 2018 5 hours ago, kalaco said: You are correct that the standings don't matter until the end of the season. But if you are going to list the standings during the season, does it make more sense to use a method to sort the teams which: A) treats regulation losses the same as not playing B) differentiates regulation losses from not playing You are correct that the standings don't matter until the end of the season. But if you are going to list the standings during the season, does it make more sense to use a method to sort the teams which: A) treats regulation losses the same as not playing B) differentiates regulation losses from not playing Using points pct or GA500 would yield the same seedings at the end of the season and wouldn't treat a regulation loss the same as not playing. If you are going to list the standings during the season, does it make more sense to use a method to sort the teams which: A) treats regulation losses the same as not playing B) differentiates regulation losses from not playing Autism level: 5000 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted October 4, 2018 18 hours ago, Buppy said: Depends on how you want to define "standings" I guess. Pretty clear from his response that he's talking about how the teams are ranked. The fact that the displayed standings require any "interpretation" kind of proves the point. Exactly, by "standings" I'm referring to 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc. Take make it even more clear though, the whole point of this thread was questioning why the league inputs the various records of each team in teh standings. The question was clearly linking to how teams show up as 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc. NO ONE should care about that during the season. You can argue different ways to present it all you want, there are valid arguments on both sides, but at the end of the day, my point is that it doesn't matter....AT ALL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted October 4, 2018 15 hours ago, kalaco said: Buppy, how would you go about determining under which goaltender your team performed better: Goaltender A: 20-25-5 (50 pts) Goaltender B: 20-0-0 (40 pts) Think about it and let me know how you arrived at your conclusion. Toby - help myself and others understand why it would make more sense to list a 20-21 team ahead of a 19-18 team. I'm not sure what you are not understanding. For fun, I'll respond to your two questions anyway: - For determining what goalie performed better, I have no idea, not enough information....looking at a team's win/loss doesn't help that much....takes a team to win or lose. I get what you are trying to do, but it makes ZERO sense. I think you are looking at standings and saying whoever is ahead of another team is "performing better" - that's not the point of standings, the point is who finishes ahead of the other (which only happens at end of year)......see my response below to your next question. - The rationale for the 20-21 team being ahead of the 19-18 in the standings is because they have earned more points. The logic is that a team hasn't earned any points until they've earned them. You can't assume the 19-18 team is going to win games they haven't played yet. That's the logic of the way they do the standings. I tend to agree with that way, but I totally get the other side of the argument, but at I've said many, many times, I don't care...no one really does as it's meaningless for the reasons already suggested. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,953 Report post Posted October 4, 2018 Here's an idea, for the entire season, sort the teams by points, then on the last day, re-sort them by winning percentage! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted October 9, 2018 On 10/4/2018 at 11:19 AM, LeftWinger said: Here's an idea, for the entire season, sort the teams by points, then on the last day, re-sort them by winning percentage! No Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Holmstrom96 347 Report post Posted October 11, 2018 The point system is useless with the 2-point win. I also hate "loser" points awarded to teams that lose in OT or a shootout. If the NHL is to keep a point system, this is how it should look: A three point system!: Regulation Win = 3 points Regulation Loss = 0 points OT\Shootout Win = 2 points OT\Shootout Loss = 1 point Otherwise they should just ditch the system and go with W\L record. Then you can compare teams by their win\loss percentage which will help better represent a team in standings because teams haven't always played the same amount of games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted October 16, 2018 The current standings format is helping to keep the Wings out of last place overall...so it has that going for it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites