The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted October 11, 2018 1 minute ago, krsmith17 said: Enter Witkowski? 1 Rick D reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted October 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: Enter Witkowski? NO! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted October 11, 2018 20 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: NO! Recall Smith? Turgeon? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted October 11, 2018 19 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: Recall Smith? Turgeon? Matt Pimple Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted October 11, 2018 Just now, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Matt Pimple Is zit the best move? I'm not pussitive that it is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted October 11, 2018 24 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: Recall Smith? Turgeon? I'd definitely prefer it over Wit, however it appears Abby is good to go... Has anyone heard any updates on Svechnikov recently? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted October 11, 2018 9 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: I'd definitely prefer it over Wit, however it appears Abby is good to go... Has anyone heard any updates on Svechnikov recently? Nope. It's mildly disturbing. Also, I forgot about Frk. I'm assuming he'd be the next man in. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted October 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: 2 Dabura and krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted October 17, 2018 17 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: Srsly tho. Nothing's working, so why the f*** not. I'm in full "F*** my s*** up, fam" mode. Embrace the chaos. Of course, truth is...those lines actually make some sense. Or, at least, you can see the logic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted October 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Dabura said: Srsly tho. Nothing's working, so why the f*** not. I'm in full "F*** my s*** up, fam" mode. Embrace the chaos. Of course, truth is...those lines actually make some sense. Or, at least, you can see the logic. Abdlekader on the fourth? Makes sense Helm on the 1st line? Tells me Blashill must have slipped over to Windsor this morning.......... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted October 17, 2018 Just now, The 91 of Ryans said: Abdlekader on the fourth? Makes sense Helm on the 1st line? Tells me Blashill must have slipped over to Windsor this morning.......... I'm not a fan of Helm of the first. But, overall, I can see where Blashill's coming from. Larkin and Nyquist have been relatively good, so keep them together. Larkin and Mantha don't have chemistry and Mantha hasn't been good enough, so demote Mantha. I think Nielsen deserves to spend some time on the 4th line or in the press box, but Bertuzzi-Nielsen-Athanasiou is, on paper, probably the most competent 2nd line Blashill can put together with the pieces he has at his disposal. Ehn's speed and defensive accountability counterbalance Vanek and Mantha, in theory. Abdelkader has been bad and Rasmussen has been invisible and Glendening is the very definition of a 4th-line grinder, so I'm ok with those three getting minimal minutes. Rasmussen's probably heading back to junior soon, so whatever. This is all moot, though. The next time we fall behind by a couple goals, the lines will be blended. 1 The 91 of Ryans reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted October 17, 2018 2 hours ago, krsmith17 said: Sulak just went from 3rd pair to the AHL in like 4 hours. Paper transaction? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted October 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: Sulak just went from 3rd pair to the AHL in like 4 hours. Paper transaction? I'm assuming with Daley ready to go, Sulak is the odd man out, and that last spot is going to Hicketts. I'm okay with this decision. I'd like to see what Sulak can do getting big minutes down in Grand Rapids. They could definitely use him, and hey a fellow Czech for Zadina doesn't hurt... 2 Neomaxizoomdweebie and Hockeymom1960 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeymom1960 5,107 Report post Posted October 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: I'm assuming with Daley ready to go, Sulak is the odd man out, and that last spot is going to Hicketts. I'm okay with this decision. I'd like to see what Sulak can do getting big minutes down in Grand Rapids. They could definitely use him, and hey a fellow Czech for Zadina doesn't hurt... Unfortunately any of our vet defense coming back will make no difference. 1 chaps80 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chaps80 1,591 Report post Posted October 17, 2018 Every roster move they make brings zero sense of excitement. It's just exchanging suck for more suck. Daley's back...great. When's Errorsson coming back? Thankfully Hicketts can be sent down for him so Cholowski can stay and learn and stuff, but that's another useless move. This ******* roster, almost at the cap. This is the season we fully pay for Kenny's contract blunders. 1 Hockeymom1960 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted October 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, Hockeymom1960 said: Unfortunately any of our vet defense coming back will make no difference. I agree that none of the vets coming back makes much of a difference in the grand scheme of things, but I think adding Daley does make our defense slightly better. I'm also in favor of Cholowski getting as much time as possible paired with a solid veteran like Daley. 1 e_prime reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeymom1960 5,107 Report post Posted October 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: I agree that none of the vets coming back makes much of a difference in the grand scheme of things, but I think adding Daley does make our defense slightly better. I'm also in favor of Cholowski getting as much time as possible paired with a solid veteran like Daley. Yeah you're probably right when it comes to Daley but I'll stand my ground if it was Ericsson lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buppy 1,720 Report post Posted October 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: Sulak just went from 3rd pair to the AHL in like 4 hours. Paper transaction? Sulak and Hicketts have both been abysmal. Probably just flipped a coin for which to send down. 14 minutes ago, chaps80 said: Every roster move they make brings zero sense of excitement. It's just exchanging suck for more suck. Daley's back...great. When's Errorsson coming back? Thankfully Hicketts can be sent down for him so Cholowski can stay and learn and stuff, but that's another useless move. This ******* roster, almost at the cap. This is the season we fully pay for Kenny's contract blunders. Our actual roster would be almost $7M below the cap. We have a lot of dead money. Also, the entire purpose of the cap is to take spending out of the equation, and it works. Very little correlation between spending and team quality. And what do you think we could do if we had a bunch of free cap space? 2 hours ago, The 91 of Ryans said: Abdlekader on the fourth? Makes sense Helm on the 1st line? Tells me Blashill must have slipped over to Windsor this morning.......... Nothing wrong with a complimentary player on the top line. It's not like "loading up" (if we can call it that with our roster) the top line worked at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted October 17, 2018 (edited) There is a balance to letting the rookies get time on the big club, and them floundering on a terrible terrible NHL team. Let some of these guys go down and get some time in the A. They'll get called back up when these aging stopgap vets inevitably get injured again. It's going to be an injury carousel on the back-end this year. I doubt we see a full compliment of: Daley, Dekeyser, Ericsson, Green, Jensen, and Kronwall. Even with all of them healthy, I bet one will sit for maintenance or healthy scratched for Cholo. Edited October 17, 2018 by e_prime 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chaps80 1,591 Report post Posted October 17, 2018 22 minutes ago, Buppy said: Sulak and Hicketts have both been abysmal. Probably just flipped a coin for which to send down. Our actual roster would be almost $7M below the cap. We have a lot of dead money. Also, the entire purpose of the cap is to take spending out of the equation, and it works. Very little correlation between spending and team quality. And what do you think we could do if we had a bunch of free cap space? Nothing wrong with a complimentary player on the top line. It's not like "loading up" (if we can call it that with our roster) the top line worked at all. I dunno how you can put any kind of positive spin on this dismal roster having $1,681,212 in useable cap. Years of bad contracts have culminated in this low value roster for high cost. At least this will be the worst of that scenerio after this season. If we had cap, it wouldn't really matter. But, opening up cap space during a rebuild whenever possible makes sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted October 18, 2018 5 hours ago, Hockeymom1960 said: Unfortunately any of our vet defense coming back will make no difference. The aged veteran defense of the last few seasons never started off this badly or gave up this many goals. As much as everyone seems to "hate" DD, Daley, E, and Kronwall, they're still better than the trainwreck we've seen recently. 3 hours ago, chaps80 said: I dunno how you can put any kind of positive spin on this dismal roster having $1,681,212 in useable cap. Years of bad contracts have culminated in this low value roster for high cost. At least this will be the worst of that scenerio after this season. If we had cap, it wouldn't really matter. But, opening up cap space during a rebuild whenever possible makes sense. You're looking at the overall payroll and not paying attention to the individual deals. The "overpayments" on this roster add up to maybe 5 mil in cap dollars? This team has a high payroll because they still have a large number of veteran contracts on the roster, and vets cost more. This is being remedied by bringing in younger, cheaper players on ELC's and bridge deals to systematically replace those veteran contracts. They call that a rebuild, and every team that goes thru one, goes thru the same process. You can't just make vets go away. A team trending down from years of success will have many veteran contracts to deal with. It's the price to pay for being successful in a competitive league that's designed for parity. It's inevitable. The situation is not unique to Holland and the Wings at all. You replace the vet contracts over time with younger, cheaper players. Eventually the team salary drops as the team gets younger, only to rise again when the younger players become older, better, and more expensive, and other costly players are brought in to increase the competitiveness of the team. That's how it works folks. 2 krsmith17 and puckbags reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted October 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: The aged veteran defense of the last few seasons never started off this badly or gave up this many goals. As much as everyone seems to "hate" DD, Daley, E, and Kronwall, they're still better than the trainwreck we've seen recently. You're looking at the overall payroll and not paying attention to the individual deals. The "overpayments" on this roster add up to maybe 5 mil in cap dollars? This team has a high payroll because they still have a large number of veteran contracts on the roster, and vets cost more. This is being remedied by bringing in younger, cheaper players on ELC's and bridge deals to systematically replace those veteran contracts. They call that a rebuild, and every team that goes thru one, goes thru the same process. You can't just make vets go away. A team trending down from years of success will have many veteran contracts to deal with. It's the price to pay for being successful in a competitive league that's designed for parity. It's inevitable. The situation is not unique to Holland and the Wings at all. You replace the vet contracts over time with younger, cheaper players. Eventually the team salary drops as the team gets younger, only to rise again when the younger players become older, better, and more expensive, and other costly players are brought in to increase the competitiveness of the team. That's how it works folks. "Just let the kids play, it can't be any worse than Ericsson or Quincey or blah blah blah" Yes, yes it can 1 e_prime reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted October 19, 2018 On 10/17/2018 at 11:44 PM, ChristopherReevesLegs said: "Just let the kids play, it can't be any worse than Ericsson or Quincey or blah blah blah" Yes, yes it can As evidenced by the season thusfar, amirite? Seriously, did everyone forget that NONE of our current defensive prospects, however shining and new they are, project to be elite top pairing defensemen. "Small-ish/Undersized, unrefined, puck moving defenseman with some upside." --description of nearly all of the rookies on our blueline. 2 ChristopherReevesLegs and puckbags reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites