mackel 681 Report post Posted May 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: It doesnt matter who we take at 6. If it was someone ranked higher than 6, he's a bust. Yuck it up... but I stand by my assessment. Depending on what's there at 6, this would be a year to trade back. Unlike last year with many attractive options and the player we ultimately drafted.... this year the cream of the crop will be gone by 6. I'd be open to trading back and grabbing an extra couple of 2nds. I think the player you get at 10-15 has every chance to be as good or better than the player at 6. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted May 14, 2019 2 krsmith17 and amato reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted May 14, 2019 14 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Unfortunately, there's no way he drops to us at 6... 1 amato reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted May 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: Unfortunately, there's no way he drops to us at 6... Sadly, I have him penciled in at 3 But then again, I had Zadina penciled in at 3 too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted May 14, 2019 22 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Sadly, I have him penciled in at 3 But then again, I had Zadina penciled in at 3 too Byram to wings confirmed! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted May 14, 2019 31 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Sadly, I have him penciled in at 3 But then again, I had Zadina penciled in at 3 too You had Zadina penciled in at 3, but yet you think he's going to be a bust? Most had Zadina penciled in at 3, but I said this time last year, when there was all that talk about trading up for Zadina, that we should stay put because there's a real possibility that he could slip to 6. This year, there's absolutely no way Byram slips out of the top 5. The last time a defenseman was not picked in the top 5, was 2003. That's not going to change this year. One of Chicago, Colorado or Los Angeles will pick him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted May 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: You had Zadina penciled in at 3, but yet you think he's going to be a bust? Most had Zadina penciled in at 3, but I said this time last year, when there was all that talk about trading up for Zadina, that we should stay put because there's a real possibility that he could slip to 6. This year, there's absolutely no way Byram slips out of the top 5. The last time a defenseman was not picked in the top 5, was 2003. That's not going to change this year. One of Chicago, Colorado or Los Angeles will pick him. I think Zadina will be about as good as Tatar or Nyquist was. Contributor, but not someone you build a team around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted May 14, 2019 20 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: I think Zadina will be about as good as Tatar or Nyquist was. Contributor, but not someone you build a team around. You have just described his floor. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted May 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: I think Zadina will be about as good as Tatar or Nyquist was. Contributor, but not someone you build a team around. Does that constitute a bust though? How many wingers in the league can you legitimately say you can build a team around? I'd say Tatar is Zadina's floor, but his ceiling is MUCH higher than that in my opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted May 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: You have just described his floor. So his basement is what Evgeny Svechnikov? And his ceiling is like Nikita Kucherov? 3 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: Does that constitute a bust though? How many wingers in the league can you legitimately say you can build a team around? I'd say Tatar is Zadina's floor, but his ceiling is MUCH higher than that in my opinion. I think it's a joy when 2nd rounders and 4th rounders become contributors like Tatar and Nyquist are. I think it will be a disappointment if a guy taken at 6th overall, who was ranked top 3 in his draft, only ever amounts to Tatar or Nyquist level. Might as well have just kept Tatar and/or Nyquist at that point. 1 mackel reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted May 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: I think it's a joy when 2nd rounders and 4th rounders become contributors like Tatar and Nyquist are. I think it will be a disappointment if a guy taken at 6th overall, who was ranked top 3 in his draft, only ever amounts to Tatar or Nyquist level. Might as well have just kept Tatar and/or Nyquist at that point. Disappointment? Sure. Bust? No. In my opinion, Zadina's floor is a Tatar or Nyquist (40-50 points), his ceiling is a Kucherov or Patrnak (80+ points), but it's probably most likely that he ends up somewhere in between, like a Forsberg or Ehlers (60-70 points). Maybe not a player you build around, but a legit top line winger. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted May 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: Disappointment? Sure. Bust? No. In my opinion, Zadina's floor is a Tatar or Nyquist (40-50 points), his ceiling is a Kucherov or Patrnak (80+ points), but it's probably most likely that he ends up somewhere in between, like a Forsberg or Ehlers (60-70 points). Maybe not a player you build around, but a legit top line winger. Meh I use the terms bust loosely, sue me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted May 14, 2019 (edited) 28 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: So his basement is what Evgeny Svechnikov? And his ceiling is like Nikita Kucherov? I think it's a joy when 2nd rounders and 4th rounders become contributors like Tatar and Nyquist are. I think it will be a disappointment if a guy taken at 6th overall, who was ranked top 3 in his draft, only ever amounts to Tatar or Nyquist level. Might as well have just kept Tatar and/or Nyquist at that point. There's no basement. Just floor and ceiling. Even if everything goes wrong for Zadina, he'll still be as good as those two guys. People like to use a player's floor as a way to exercise their own mastery of hyperbole (not U specifically) Calling Zadina a "bust" for only being as good as Tatar and Nyquist. I've said it before, I get less hung up with where players are drafted vs their eventual floor/ceiling then most. When I go fishing I don't come home cursing about one spot where I caught nothing and raving about another spot where I caught a bunch of fish. I just look in my boat, and if I see fish, I'm happy. Edited May 14, 2019 by The 91 of Ryans 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted May 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Meh I use the terms bust loosely, sue me Yakupov = bust Galchenyuk = disappointment Zadina will develop into a top 6 winger. Whether he's a half a point per game winger or a point per game winger is yet to be determined. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted May 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: There's no basement. Just floor and ceiling. Even if everything goes wrong for Zadina, he'll still be as good as those two guys. People like to use a players floor as a way to exercise their own mastery of hyperbole (not U specifically) Calling Zadina a "bust" for only being as good as Tatar and Nyquist. I've said it before, I get less hung up with where players drafted vs eventual floor/ceiling then most. When I go fishing I don't come home cursing about one spot where I caught nothing and another spot where I caught a bunch of fish. I just look in my boat, and if I see a lot of fish, I'm happy. Yeah but I don't want a boat full of 12 inch brook trout. I want a boat with one or two 30 inch steelheads. Which is why I'll be disappointed if Zadina is a brook trout. 3 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: Yakupov = bustGalchenyuk = disappointment Zadina will develop into a top 6 winger. Whether he's a half a point per game winger or a point per game winger is yet to be determined. If Zadina is Galchenyuk we should sell him sooner than Montreal sold Chucky 1 The 91 of Ryans reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted May 14, 2019 1 minute ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Yeah but I don't want a boat full of 12 inch brook trout. I want a boat with one or two 30 inch steelheads. Which is why I'll be disappointed if Zadina is a brook trout. I was fishing for marlin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted May 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: If Zadina is Galchenyuk we should sell him sooner than Montreal sold Chucky I'll get behind that for sure, but again, that's unlikely in my opinion. I think he'll be a 60+ point winger. If for whatever reason, he does end up being a 40-50 point winger, Yzerman will trade him straight up for a 70+ point winger (Galchenyuk for Domi). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted May 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: I'll get behind that for sure, but again, that's unlikely in my opinion. I think he'll be a 60+ point winger. If for whatever reason, he does end up being a 40-50 point winger, Yzerman will trade him straight up for a 70+ point winger (Galchenyuk for Domi). You touched on a good point and one area where I'm more confident in Yzerman than Holland. His ability to GTFO prospects that aren't cutting it for whatever reason (see: Connoly, Drouin). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted May 14, 2019 1 hour ago, The 91 of Ryans said: I was fishing for marlin Do we need to send Holland down to Florida again to get you out of there too? 46 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: You touched on a good point and one area where I'm more confident in Yzerman than Holland. His ability to GTFO prospects that aren't cutting it for whatever reason (see: Connoly, Drouin). Hopefully when Zadina gets outscored by Wade Megan and Matt Pimple in the AHL again Stevie can flip him for a young Russian Dman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted May 14, 2019 48 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Hopefully when Zadina gets outscored by Wade Megan and Matt Pimple in the AHL again Stevie can flip him for a young Russian Dman Yup, that's a pretty safe bet, considering Megan and Puempel will play 60+ games in the AHL, while Zadina will play <40... 2 mackel and The 91 of Ryans reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted May 14, 2019 19 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: Yup, that's a pretty safe bet, considering Megan and Puempel will play 60+ games in the AHL, while Zadina will play <40... ziiiiiinnnnnnnng Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted May 14, 2019 I love Z-pinch. He's going to get 35 pts with the Wings next year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mackel 681 Report post Posted May 14, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, krsmith17 said: Disappointment? Sure. Bust? No. In my opinion, Zadina's floor is a Tatar or Nyquist (40-50 points), his ceiling is a Kucherov or Patrnak (80+ points), but it's probably most likely that he ends up somewhere in between, like a Forsberg or Ehlers (60-70 points). Maybe not a player you build around, but a legit top line winger. Semantics. Hype > Zagina Edited May 14, 2019 by mackel clarity Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
derblaueClaus 1,668 Report post Posted May 14, 2019 5 hours ago, krsmith17 said: You had Zadina penciled in at 3, but yet you think he's going to be a bust? Most had Zadina penciled in at 3, but I said this time last year, when there was all that talk about trading up for Zadina, that we should stay put because there's a real possibility that he could slip to 6. This year, there's absolutely no way Byram slips out of the top 5. The last time a defenseman was not picked in the top 5, was 2003. That's not going to change this year. One of Chicago, Colorado or Los Angeles will pick him. If he isn't taken at 4 or 5 maybe we should trade up ? If the Avs and Kings want to that is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted May 14, 2019 4 hours ago, The 91 of Ryans said: I was fishing for marlin If you were fishing for marlin and caught brook trout and steelheads, then I can explain to u why u didn't catch any marlin. Hint: salinity. 1 hour ago, Jonas Mahonas said: I love Z-pinch. He's going to get 35 pts with the Wings next year. Would u decide on a nickname already? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites