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As soon as I watched the video of Tuomisto taking the puck behind his own net and he carried it into the other zone where he lost it. The other team had a rush and took into his zone. He got back in time to strip them from the puck and negate the play.  A 6:05 guy with that kind of effort I can learn to like

 

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2 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

Did you see "star upside" three years, two days after we drafted Cholowski and Hronek? I doubt it... Most Red Wings fans were pretty meh on those picks three years ago, and yet most Red Wings fans are pretty high on those picks today. "Top 4 potential".

Point is, it's very difficult to gauge where any of these players will be in their development a year from now, let alone 3-5 years from now. 

Fair enough , also didn’t see star potential in 2017 and that’s turning into s*** ... win some lose some and I said I liked seider so there’s your one in 2019? Haha hope I’m wrong thoug

Yes I’m well aware that it’s difficult to gauge where anyone will be in 1-5 years , I’m still entitled to my opinion like you said it’s hard to see what will be of these guys and some won’t make it but I still think we passed imo on guys with bigger upside and some teams took those guys around the same ballpark so they obviously saw something we didn’t 

anyways hopefully we find another dman outside of seider , something tells me johansson will be better than the 35th

 

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1 hour ago, HoweFan said:

As soon as I watched the video of Tuomisto taking the puck behind his own net and he carried it into the other zone where he lost it. The other team had a rush and took into his zone. He got back in time to strip them from the puck and negate the play.  A 6:05 guy with that kind of effort I can learn to like

 

This one?

 

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1 hour ago, Buppy said:

So....you're argument is that it's probable that they ranked some defensemen only slightly lower than some forwards, but completely unbelievable that they might have ranked those same defensemen slightly above those same forwards?

Leaving aside that our D is not necessarily the weakest part of our prospect pool, you also have to consider that there were several big, mobile, two-way D available, and ranked higher than Tuomisto. There was clearly something specific about him as an individual that led to that pick. 

I was just giving an example but yes, for all we know they might have had Lavoie and some of the guys above tuomisto thinking they wouldn’t be there figured we don’t like that forward as much as we know we have to fill up the pool with good dmen , tuomisto’s close on our list let’s go .... hakan also said Wright was fighting for that pick at 35 so who knows who we would have taken 

before or after the draft? And yes our d is weaker than our forward group imo , oh and yes I’m well aware there were better ranked players at d than tuomisto and we took him cause we saw something , I’d just have preferred Matthew Robertson but we’ll see in 3-5 yrs what becomes of these picks like krs said prior and see if we f***ed up or not

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4 hours ago, Buppy said:

"Reach" just means he went against the prevailing opinion. Since he would obviously know that prevailing opinion, he would obviously understand that he might be able to trade back and still get his guy. That does not in any way suggest that he didn't believe Seider was the BPA.

Aside from that, it's only your opinion that RHD was our biggest need. Objectively, our biggest need is probably G, so Knight should have been his choice. Or if we're differentiating based on handedness, a right shot winger, so he should have gone Caufiled or Cozens (plus numerous options in the later rounds). If looking at defense, it's our left side if any that was weake

r going in to the draft, though even if you just generalize all D, Broberg was generally ranked higher, so he should have been the choice. And finally, even though we have Larkin, C is not exactly an area of strength. Really the only thing we didn't need was left shot wingers. We drafted four.

This guy gets it.

IIRC he even said they weren't drafting for need and this was just how it played out. The other guys they were looking at for 6 were taken already (I'd guess Byram and Dach). If you don't believe him when he literally comes out and says "We're just trying to draft the best prospects available" then I don't know what to tell you.

5 hours ago, TLGTrico said:

The fact that Yzerman wanted to trade down before taking Seider tells me he was a reach for him too.

Disagree, I think this logic is faulty. It tells me he knew there was a possibility he could get the guy he wanted later because he knew the consensus had him lower, and was trying to maximize assets.

5 hours ago, The Datsyukian Deke said:

Uhmm...you're seriously telling me athletes who made it to the NHL Draft and played in a mens system & in their national team, need nutrition advice? What?

You don't even get there if you don't do this right. Ok, maybe generational talent like Ovi or others in that tier might even make it overweight. But everybody else? I doubt it.

The main advantage for Seider would be that the whole system, facitilies, staff, coaches are a few classes above what he has here. But nutrition? I guess the times are over where you could get into pro leagues, while still having burgers & fries most of the time, or even smoking, as some professional soccer players in Europe still did in the 90s.

Today...well, I know a kid (son of a friend) who is in a development program for german youth soccer, scratching the under 16 national team. That kid is just 15 and doesnt need to know anything about food anymore. ;)

And while soccer is the #1 sport here and most professional even down to juniors, I doubt any DEL team needs advice on that.

Yzerman mentioned in an interview that the focus of development camp was going to be educating them on being professionals, and less on conditioning, because they have varying background/experience. He included how to eat properly when mentioning that.

I think It's fair to include that as an obvious benefit of playing here in NA, where team staff can help him with all that and essentially monitor him. 

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9 hours ago, kipwinger said:

England has a "pro league".  The ECHL is a pro league.  Doesn't mean it's a good pro league.  My only point is that there's not enough of a history of producing quality hockey players that I think it's worth reaching to take a guy from there unless he's obviously dominating, which Seider wasn't.

Also, saying he "could" be our Hedman is no different than saying he "could" be another Dekeyser.  This was a deep enough draft that we didn't have to take those types of risks with the 6th pick.  I'm not sure whether Seider will be any good in the NHL or not. There's always a risk that a guy will bust.  I'm just saying I feel a LOT more confident that Dylan Cozens or Trevor Zegras will hit their ceilings than Mortiz Seider will hit his given the information that I have available to me, the average fan.

The only information you have is that he is german. And ze germans suck! And ze german league is just a joke!

Did I miss anything?

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6 hours ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Fair enough , also didn’t see star potential in 2017 and that’s turning into s*** ... win some lose some and I said I liked seider so there’s your one in 2019? Haha hope I’m wrong thoug

Yes I’m well aware that it’s difficult to gauge where anyone will be in 1-5 years , I’m still entitled to my opinion like you said it’s hard to see what will be of these guys and some won’t make it but I still think we passed imo on guys with bigger upside and some teams took those guys around the same ballpark so they obviously saw something we didn’t 

anyways hopefully we find another dman outside of seider , something tells me johansson will be better than the 35th

Why is 2017 "turning into s***"? Because our late round picks turned out to be s***? That's going to happen more often than not. It's still very possible that Rasmussen could be a top six winger / power-play specialist, capable of 25 goals, 25 assists. Would I have taken someone different? Absolutely. However, the player I was pushing hardest for was Vilardi, and who knows if he'll ever play, let alone be an impact player. I also liked Necas and Liljegren over Rasmussen, but whatever. It's also possible that Lindstrom could be a top four defenseman / penalty killer, capable of 10 goals, 20 assists. We also have Petruzzelli that could still become an NHL goaltender... I think any year you "hit" on 3+ players, it's a very successful draft.

I don't think a single person would argue that we undoubtedly took the best players available with each and every selection. A few people, including myself, mentioned players we would have preferred with our first 5 picks. I would have been happier with this draft if we had taken Cozens, Lavoie, Leason, Legare, Beaucage, but I'm not going to assume Yzerman and co have no idea what they're doing because they "went off the board" or "reached" based on other scouts / analysts rankings...

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1 hour ago, krsmith17 said:

Why is 2017 "turning into s***"? Because our late round picks turned out to be s***? That's going to happen more often than not. It's still very possible that Rasmussen could be a top six winger / power-play specialist, capable of 25 goals, 25 assists. Would I have taken someone different? Absolutely. However, the player I was pushing hardest for was Vilardi, and who knows if he'll ever play, let alone be an impact player. I also liked Necas and Liljegren over Rasmussen, but whatever. It's also possible that Lindstrom could be a top four defenseman / penalty killer, capable of 10 goals, 20 assists. We also have Petruzzelli that could still become an NHL goaltender... I think any year you "hit" on 3+ players, it's a very successful draft.

I don't think a single person would argue that we undoubtedly took the best players available with each and every selection. A few people, including myself, mentioned players we would have preferred with our first 5 picks. I would have been happier with this draft if we had taken Cozens, Lavoie, Leason, Legare, Beaucage, but I'm not going to assume Yzerman and co have no idea what they're doing because they "went off the board" or "reached" based on other scouts / analysts rankings...

s*** might have been a little harsh but it has nothing to do with late round picks I just don’t see any “star appeal” ,we all know by now I was pushing hard for brannstrom, heck I’d have taken foote,valimaki or liljgren at that point as we had been ignoring our d problems it seemed  since lidstrom left , I still hope Rasmussen turns it around and proves me wrong and becomes a 25-30 goal guy but I personally look at that list and see 5-7dmen and a 3rd liner , But we’ll see

I hope petruzzelli hits but I’m not as confident, again I hope I’m wrong ... sure any year you hit 3+ should be considered a hit but for me if those hits are all bottom guys it’s nothing to write home about, just those guys in my eyes are easily attainable 

i never once said yzerman didn’t know what he was doing but said he was specifically targeting a need for this team regardless what he tells the media , if you don’t think that’s possible I don’t know what to tell you , habs openly admitted they took kotkaniemi to fill a need at C since drafting one was the only way to find a #1C , Arizona admitted it as well with Hayden ... it happens 

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Yzerman Says Wings Didn't Reach; "We had him right at 6 on our list"

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Most projections had the 6'4 defenseman from Germany going somewhere in the middle of the first round. But Steve Yzerman and the Red Wings had him ranked higher, and they knew Seider would be off the board if they waited until their second pick. So in his first major decision as Detroit's general manager, Yzerman trusted his instincts.

"I don’t pay attention to the mock drafts at all. We can’t. We have to do our jobs and hopefully do them well and kind of tune out the noise, so to speak,"

"I actually looked at the options of trading back and trying to get an extra pick and keeping my fingers crossed that he would be there, or we had a plan B in the event that he wasn’t. Trading back didn't prove to be an option, so we were comfortable selecting him at that spot. I know he was surprised. But we felt he was going to go if not to us, potentially Buffalo who was picking right after us, and by probably the 12th or 13th pick he would be gone."

He likely won't play for the Red Wings until at least the 2020-21 season.

"Mannheim is certainly a good option. I was pretty impressed with the program they run over there," said Yzerman. "It’s a men’s league, it’s an NHL-type operation, fantastic arena. Really good program and a really good team, so we'll figure it out as we go along."

Yzerman said he was looking for prospects who are hard to play against, emphasizing skating ability, hockey IQ and competitiveness.

In addition to his attempts to trade back in the first round, Yzerman explored the idea of moving up. In the end, there wasn't much interest from the team's directly ahead of Detroit. 

"I did talk with LA and Colorado, but they were both pretty comfortable in what they were doing," said Yzerman. "They didn’t indicate a real desire. Unless things went unexpectedly, they had guys they were going to be comfortable using their pick with, so that didn’t really look like an option. I'm not even sure it would have got it done unless I made the price so irresistible for them, and that didn’t make sense for us, because, again, I was more than happy at six to pick Mortiz Seider. We were very comfortable with that.

 

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1 hour ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

s*** might have been a little harsh but it has nothing to do with late round picks I just don’t see any “star appeal” ,we all know by now I was pushing hard for brannstrom, heck I’d have taken foote,valimaki or liljgren at that point as we had been ignoring our d problems it seemed  since lidstrom left , I still hope Rasmussen turns it around and proves me wrong and becomes a 25-30 goal guy but I personally look at that list and see 5-7dmen and a 3rd liner , But we’ll see

I'm sure Holland had several names on his list as well. You wanted one of Brannstrom, Valimaki or Liljegren? It's still very possible that Rasmussen ends up better than any of those players. Unfortunately you couldn't have picked all three, so which one would you have taken? Brannstrom? He's a high-end prospect, but he could top out as a decent 2nd pair defenseman that puts up 25-35 points per season. What if Rasmussen becomes a 2nd line winger that puts up 45-55 points per season? Which player is more valuable? Debatable...

We're also using hindsight of the past two seasons, something teams don't have on the draft floor. Like I said, I wanted Vilardi. He may end up being a complete bust...

1 hour ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

i never once said yzerman didn’t know what he was doing but said he was specifically targeting a need for this team regardless what he tells the media , if you don’t think that’s possible I don’t know what to tell you , habs openly admitted they took kotkaniemi to fill a need at C since drafting one was the only way to find a #1C , Arizona admitted it as well with Hayden ... it happens 

I see you're not going to give up on the "targeting a need" bulls***, so whatever. I'm done trying to convince you otherwise. I will say one last thing regarding the bold though...

The Habs would not have picked Kotkaniemi if they thought Zadina or Tkachuk or anyone else was going to be the better player. I highly doubt they thought Kotkaniemi was going to be a 2nd line center and Zadina and Tkachuk were going to be 1st line wingers, and took what they believed was the lesser player... They likely seen Kotkaniemi as a 1C and Zadina as a 1W, and because they seen the two players similarly skilled, they decided to take the center that also fills a direct need.

Maybe Yzerman sees Zegras as a potential 1C, Cozens as a potential 1W and Seider as a potential 1D. He feels that their ceiling respective to their position is more or less equal, so he took what you and others believe to be the "biggest need". I believe Cozens would have filled a bigger need, but what do I know...

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15 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

I'm sure Holland had several names on his list as well. You wanted one of Brannstrom, Valimaki or Liljegren? It's still very possible that Rasmussen ends up better than any of those players. Unfortunately you couldn't have picked all three, so which one would you have taken? Brannstrom? He's a high-end prospect, but he could top out as a decent 2nd pair defenseman that puts up 25-35 points per season. What if Rasmussen becomes a 2nd line winger that puts up 45-55 points per season? Which player is more valuable? Debatable...

We're also using hindsight of the past two seasons, something teams don't have on the draft floor. Like I said, I wanted Vilardi. He may end up being a complete bust...

I see you're not going to give up on the "targeting a need" bulls***, so whatever. I'm done trying to convince you otherwise. I will say one last thing regarding the bold though...

The Habs would not have picked Kotkaniemi if they thought Zadina or Tkachuk or anyone else was going to be the better player. I highly doubt they thought Kotkaniemi was going to be a 2nd line center and Zadina and Tkachuk were going to be 1st line wingers, and took what they believed was the lesser player... They likely seen Kotkaniemi as a 1C and Zadina as a 1W, and because they seen the two players similarly skilled, they decided to take the center that also fills a direct need.

Maybe Yzerman sees Zegras as a potential 1C, Cozens as a potential 1W and Seider as a potential 1D. He feels that their ceiling respective to their position is more or less equal, so he took what you and others believe to be the "biggest need". I believe Cozens would have filled a bigger need, but what do I know...

By now everyone knows I was high on brannstrom and he’s the one I wanted (Probably Cause of my sweet spot for Swedes) but I’d have been happy with foote or valimaki , I wanted to target a dman that year cause or d’s been horrendous for the longest time 

maybe brannstrom ends up a 25-35 pt guy but I’m pretty sure if you asked 31 gms today including Stevie who they’d take and I’m sure they’d all say brannstrom ... but like we’ve all said it’s a wait and see approach for all these kids but I’d put my money on brannstrom being way better 

They obviously didn’t think kotkaniemi would be a 2c Which is why they took him also doesn’t mean they thought zadina would be a 2winger they were addressing a need , I live in Montreal so I saw all the media and interviews after , they been looking for a 1c for like 20 years so they finally were gonna address that need Cause it was quite obvious doing so by the draft was the only way it would ever happen so for them addressing the c was #1 priority , same as it seemed with Arizona , also heard them say drafting a C was the only way to get one .... so looks like we’re in agreement that they were addressing a need , which is what I also said about the wings drafting dmen this draft imo

i personally wasn’t a big fan of Canadian guys and would have targeted podkolzin as everyone knows cause I thought he has future star written all over him and will turn heads in Vancouver with pettersson, But I’m not mad with seider I was hoping we’d have gotten another pick to take him , now I’m just hoping seider can be a dominate dman cause we need it

 

 

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21 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

By now everyone knows I was high on brannstrom and he’s the one I wanted (Probably Cause of my sweet spot for Swedes) but I’d have been happy with foote or valimaki , I wanted to target a dman that year cause or d’s been horrendous for the longest time 

maybe brannstrom ends up a 25-35 pt guy but I’m pretty sure if you asked 31 gms today including Stevie who they’d take and I’m sure they’d all say brannstrom ... but like we’ve all said it’s a wait and see approach for all these kids but I’d put my money on brannstrom being way better 

I highly doubt that. I bet it would be closer to a 50/50 split than every single GM in the league thinking Brannstrom is better than Rasmussen...

22 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

They obviously didn’t think kotkaniemi would be a 2c Which is why they took him also doesn’t mean they thought zadina would be a 2winger they were addressing a need , I live in Montreal so I saw all the media and interviews after , they been looking for a 1c for like 20 years so they finally were gonna address that need Cause it was quite obvious doing so by the draft was the only way it would ever happen so for them addressing the c was #1 priority , same as it seemed with Arizona , also heard them say drafting a C was the only way to get one .... so looks like we’re in agreement that they were addressing a need , which is what I also said about the wings drafting dmen this draft imo

i personally wasn’t a big fan of Canadian guys and would have targeted podkolzin as everyone knows cause I thought he has future star written all over him and will turn heads in Vancouver with pettersson, But I’m not mad with seider I was hoping we’d have gotten another pick to take him , now I’m just hoping seider can be a dominate dman cause we need it

You're missing the point... again...

General Managers rarely ever "reach" or "go off the board" with their picks, especially picks in the top 10. I'm sure it happens, but those GM's are dumb, and eventually get fired...

The ONLY time a GM should ever pick a player of "need", is when that player is viewed by the scouting staff to be the best player available, or at least in the same tier as the best players available. I'm sure Bergevin had Kotkaniemi in the same tier as some of the other players mentioned, but decided to take the center. Same goes for Sieder. I'm sure Yzerman had him in the same tier as a few other players, but decided to take the defenseman.

Whatever though. Don't believe Yzerman when he says that he had Seider "right at 6" on his list...

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1 hour ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Boy, Trump would love you as a supporter.

 

"Yzerman admits to s***ty Defense Prospect Pool"

 

The GM said "Boy, would have been great to be able to nab Cozens with that 6th pick like everyone on the face of earth thought we should.  Too bad Holland left our prospect pool without a single top pairing prospect for me and instead drafted 175 straight left handed forwards."

 

Even when the draft selections SCREAM drafting for need, LGWers are too blind to see it or too proud to admit it.

 

Even when the draft pick himself has the biggest WTF look on his face ever seen at a draft, LGWers wont believe the obvious.

 

YZERMAN DRAFTED FOR NEED (DEFENSEMEN WITH HIGH CEILING POTENTIAL).  

 

Get it through your skulls.

18 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

I highly doubt that. I bet it would be closer to a 50/50 split than every single GM in the league thinking Brannstrom is better than Rasmussen...

You're missing the point... again...

General Managers rarely ever "reach" or "go off the board" with their picks, especially picks in the top 10. I'm sure it happens, but those GM's are dumb, and eventually get fired...

The ONLY time a GM should ever pick a player of "need", is when that player is viewed by the scouting staff to be the best player available, or at least in the same tier as the best players available. I'm sure Bergevin had Kotkaniemi in the same tier as some of the other players mentioned, but decided to take the center. Same goes for Sieder. I'm sure Yzerman had him in the same tier as a few other players, but decided to take the defenseman.

Whatever though. Don't believe Yzerman when he says that he had Seider "right at 6" on his list...

You make no sense.  

57 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

By now everyone knows I was high on brannstrom and he’s the one I wanted (Probably Cause of my sweet spot for Swedes) but I’d have been happy with foote or valimaki , I wanted to target a dman that year cause or d’s been horrendous for the longest time 

maybe brannstrom ends up a 25-35 pt guy but I’m pretty sure if you asked 31 gms today including Stevie who they’d take and I’m sure they’d all say brannstrom ... but like we’ve all said it’s a wait and see approach for all these kids but I’d put my money on brannstrom being way better 

They obviously didn’t think kotkaniemi would be a 2c Which is why they took him also doesn’t mean they thought zadina would be a 2winger they were addressing a need , I live in Montreal so I saw all the media and interviews after , they been looking for a 1c for like 20 years so they finally were gonna address that need Cause it was quite obvious doing so by the draft was the only way it would ever happen so for them addressing the c was #1 priority , same as it seemed with Arizona , also heard them say drafting a C was the only way to get one .... so looks like we’re in agreement that they were addressing a need , which is what I also said about the wings drafting dmen this draft imo

i personally wasn’t a big fan of Canadian guys and would have targeted podkolzin as everyone knows cause I thought he has future star written all over him and will turn heads in Vancouver with pettersson, But I’m not mad with seider I was hoping we’d have gotten another pick to take him , now I’m just hoping seider can be a dominate dman cause we need it

 

 

You make sense.

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4 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

Boy, Trump would love you as a supporter.

 

"Yzerman admits to s***ty Defense Prospect Pool"

 

The GM said "Boy, would have been great to be able to nab Cozens with that 6th pick like everyone on the face of earth thought we should.  Too bad Holland left our prospect pool without a single top pairing prospect for me and instead drafted 175 straight left handed forwards."

 

Even when the draft selections SCREAM drafting for need, LGWers are too blind to see it or too proud to admit it.

 

Even when the draft pick himself has the biggest WTF look on his face ever seen at a draft, LGWers wont believe the obvious.

 

YZERMAN DRAFTED FOR NEED (DEFENSEMEN WITH HIGH CEILING POTENTIAL).  

 

Get it through your skulls.

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58 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

By now everyone knows I was high on brannstrom and he’s the one I wanted (Probably Cause of my sweet spot for Swedes) but I’d have been happy with foote or valimaki , I wanted to target a dman that year cause or d’s been horrendous for the longest time 

maybe brannstrom ends up a 25-35 pt guy but I’m pretty sure if you asked 31 gms today including Stevie who they’d take and I’m sure they’d all say brannstrom ... but like we’ve all said it’s a wait and see approach for all these kids but I’d put my money on brannstrom being way better 

They obviously didn’t think kotkaniemi would be a 2c Which is why they took him also doesn’t mean they thought zadina would be a 2winger they were addressing a need , I live in Montreal so I saw all the media and interviews after , they been looking for a 1c for like 20 years so they finally were gonna address that need Cause it was quite obvious doing so by the draft was the only way it would ever happen so for them addressing the c was #1 priority , same as it seemed with Arizona , also heard them say drafting a C was the only way to get one .... so looks like we’re in agreement that they were addressing a need , which is what I also said about the wings drafting dmen this draft imo

i personally wasn’t a big fan of Canadian guys and would have targeted podkolzin as everyone knows cause I thought he has future star written all over him and will turn heads in Vancouver with pettersson, But I’m not mad with seider I was hoping we’d have gotten another pick to take him , now I’m just hoping seider can be a dominate dman cause we need it

 

 

Why? Brannstrom has 32 pts in 50 AHL games and 2 NHL games played.

I'm sure he'll be a decent Dman but there's nothing about him that jumps off the page.

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22 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

The ol "youre dumb" argument.

One level away from hypothetical dad fighting.

I must be right and you must be wrong.  

You're the only person on here that I resort to the ol "you're dumb" argument... Read into that what you will...

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1 hour ago, krsmith17 said:

I highly doubt that. I bet it would be closer to a 50/50 split than every single GM in the league thinking Brannstrom is better than Rasmussen...

You're missing the point... again...

General Managers rarely ever "reach" or "go off the board" with their picks, especially picks in the top 10. I'm sure it happens, but those GM's are dumb, and eventually get fired...

The ONLY time a GM should ever pick a player of "need", is when that player is viewed by the scouting staff to be the best player available, or at least in the same tier as the best players available. I'm sure Bergevin had Kotkaniemi in the same tier as some of the other players mentioned, but decided to take the center. Same goes for Sieder. I'm sure Yzerman had him in the same tier as a few other players, but decided to take the defenseman.

Whatever though. Don't believe Yzerman when he says that he had Seider "right at 6" on his list...

We’ll have to yet again agree to disagree 

 

no point missed , it’s called a difference of opinion ... they might have had players in the same tier doesn’t mean when it comes time to select and they See zadina  ahead of kotkaniemi on the  list let’s say,even though they think zadina will have a better statistical career than kotkaniemi they  think it won’t be that much better and since they desperately need to find a center and nobody will come here and teams aren’t trading #1centers they just decide to draft the player themselves 

if you don’t think teams never draft for need Then I don’t know what to tell you , we simply won’t  agree on this .... I never said yzerman didn’t want seider at 6 he probably would have taken him at 2 after byram knowing kakko and hughes would be gone cause we were going to address our defence this draft plain and simple , same with #35 tuomisto Who was probably more like 15-25 on the wings list 

 

anyways is what it is and I hope it all works out for us

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1 hour ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

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Why? Brannstrom has 32 pts in 50 AHL games and 2 NHL games played.

I'm sure he'll be a decent Dman but there's nothing about him that jumps off the page.

We can agree if Rasmussen could have played in the All last season he would have right ? So I wouldn’t look at Rasmussen playing in the nhl and say he’s a better prospect automatically ... I know you didn’t say that I’m just saying it 

brannstrom is regarded as one of the top prospects not in the nhl yet , outside that he’s an offensive dman who will probably play on the first ppl and be a point producer which I think a lot of teams would love to have , I know we can definetly use him in our system right now cause outside hronek don’t see who’s more a sure thing to hit 45-65pts .... hopefully cholowski 

Could be wrong but I see him as a future first pair dman with a ton of offensive upside from the back end and I personally think teams would value someone like that more than a Rasmussen type player 

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6 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

We can agree if Rasmussen could have played in the All last season he would have right ? So I wouldn’t look at Rasmussen playing in the nhl and say he’s a better prospect automatically ... I know you didn’t say that I’m just saying it 

brannstrom is regarded as one of the top prospects not in the nhl yet , outside that he’s an offensive dman who will probably play on the first ppl and be a point producer which I think a lot of teams would love to have , I know we can definetly use him in our system right now cause outside hronek don’t see who’s more a sure thing to hit 45-65pts .... hopefully cholowski 

Could be wrong but I see him as a future first pair dman with a ton of offensive upside from the back end and I personally think teams would value someone like that more than a Rasmussen type player 

Rasmussen: 6'6" 221 lbs

Brannstrom: 5'10" 173 lbs

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31 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

they might have had players in the same tier doesn’t mean when it comes time to select and they See zadina  ahead of kotkaniemi on the  list let’s say,even though they think zadina will have a better statistical career than kotkaniemi they  think it won’t be that much better and since they desperately need to find a center and nobody will come here and teams aren’t trading #1centers they just decide to draft the player themselves 

if you don’t think teams never draft for need Then I don’t know what to tell you , we simply won’t  agree on this .... I never said yzerman didn’t want seider at 6 he probably would have taken him at 2 after byram knowing kakko and hughes would be gone cause we were going to address our defence this draft plain and simple , same with #35 tuomisto Who was probably more like 15-25 on the wings list 

anyways is what it is and I hope it all works out for us

What "list"? People keep bringing up this magical list, as if they've ever seen an NHL team's rankings...

You're assuming the Habs had Zadina ahead of Kotkaniemi, but decided to take Kotkaniemi anyway? Yeah, okay...

I know teams draft for need, but like I said, only when players are comparably ranked by their scouts. No GM is going to knowingly take a lesser player just because he fills a position of need. It doesn't happen, and if ever did happen, someone is losing their job...

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