ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted June 27, 2019 12 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: Hronek? Cholowski? McIsaac? Has Seider already surpassed all of them in your mind? In terms of depth chart? No. But Cholo was a late first, and the other two were seconds. Not as much hype. This feels like we got a Zadina level defensive prospect. 3 amato, Jonas Mahonas and Wheelchairsuperhero reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted June 27, 2019 22 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: In terms of depth chart? No. But Cholo was a late first, and the other two were seconds. Not as much hype. This feels like we got a Zadina level defensive prospect. Seider Hronek Cholowski McIsaac Lindstrom Regula Tuomisto Setke Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted June 27, 2019 Just now, Jonas Mahonas said: Seider Hronek Cholowski McIsaac Lindstrom Regula Tuomisto Setke Seider McIsaac Hronek Cholowski Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted June 27, 2019 17 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Seider McIsaac Hronek Cholowski Really? That will be inteesting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted June 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Jonas Mahonas said: Really? That will be inteesting. I don't think anyone realizes just how good McIsaac is yet. Kids bueno AF Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted June 27, 2019 31 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: I don't think anyone realizes just how good McIsaac is yet. Kids bueno AF I dont at all. Excited now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted June 27, 2019 7 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: In terms of depth chart? No. But Cholo was a late first, and the other two were seconds. Not as much hype. This feels like we got a Zadina level defensive prospect. I hear ya. I guess you just meant in regards to draft hype? I haven't been THIS excited for a D prospect in forever, but I've been excited about plenty other D prospects over the years... 7 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Seider McIsaac Hronek Cholowski 7 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: I don't think anyone realizes just how good McIsaac is yet. Kids bueno AF You really think McIsaac is going to be better than Hronek and Cholowski? I don't see it, but I hope I'm wrong... Do you think he has top pair potential? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,012 Report post Posted June 27, 2019 1 hour ago, krsmith17 said: You really think McIsaac is going to be better than Hronek and Cholowski? I don't see it, but I hope I'm wrong... Do you think he has top pair potential? X. Ouellet potential maybe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted June 27, 2019 32 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: X. Ouellet potential maybe It's funny because I was sort of thinking the same thing. I think McIsaac will be better than Ouellet (we hope), but I don't think he'll be anything more than a solid bottom pairing, penalty killing defenseman. That's not a knock on McIsaac at all though. You need players like that. I just don't see the same sort of ceiling that CRL sees... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted June 27, 2019 1 hour ago, krsmith17 said: It's funny because I was sort of thinking the same thing. I think McIsaac will be better than Ouellet (we hope), but I don't think he'll be anything more than a solid bottom pairing, penalty killing defenseman. That's not a knock on McIsaac at all though. You need players like that. I just don't see the same sort of ceiling that CRL sees... Im with you here. The footspeed isnt there with McIsaac. Hope CRL is right tho. If Hronek is our third best in 2 years, we are in good shape. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted June 27, 2019 11 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said: Seider Hronek Cholowski McIsaac Lindstrom Regula Tuomisto Setke Are you talking about Setkov? 1 Jonas Mahonas reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted June 27, 2019 I think my very bold prediction was McIsaac will turn out better than both Zadina and Veleno. I'm sticking with that. 2 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said: Im with you here. The footspeed isnt there with McIsaac. Hope CRL is right tho. If Hronek is our third best in 2 years, we are in good shape. Shut up you. McIsaac is a superb skater. Accelerates quickly backward and forward and has very good edgework and agility. I would say his skating is one of his key strengths. Definitely not a weakness. He's a very fast Dman. McIsaac is actually a lot like Seider (probably why I like them both) he's just smaller and his slap shot isn't that great. They both are fast, play an excellent transition game, and have high IQ's in both ends. I give a slight edge to McIsaac offensively as he's shown he can run a PP and we haven't seen that yet from Seider... but probably will soon. McIsaac needs to lift and eat greasy cheeseburgers. Weight and strength are really the only things holding him back IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted June 27, 2019 I think if Seider had played in the CHL last season, he would have been a consensus top 10 pick all season, and maybe even gave Byram a run for his money. The DEL is a very strong league, compared to junior leagues, and the fact that he was able to play, and play well against grown men as a 17 year old, win the rookie of the year, while getting low minutes and very little opportunity on the power-play, is very impressive. The more I hear and read on this kid, the happier I am that we "reached" for him at 6... 1 amato reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted June 27, 2019 3 hours ago, kliq said: Are you talking about Setkov? Thats him! Sorry 1 hour ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: I think my very bold prediction was McIsaac will turn out better than both Zadina and Veleno. I'm sticking with that. Shut up you. McIsaac is a superb skater. Accelerates quickly backward and forward and has very good edgework and agility. I would say his skating is one of his key strengths. Definitely not a weakness. He's a very fast Dman. McIsaac is actually a lot like Seider (probably why I like them both) he's just smaller and his slap shot isn't that great. They both are fast, play an excellent transition game, and have high IQ's in both ends. I give a slight edge to McIsaac offensively as he's shown he can run a PP and we haven't seen that yet from Seider... but probably will soon. McIsaac needs to lift and eat greasy cheeseburgers. Weight and strength are really the only things holding him back IMO. Cool. I need the 411. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted June 27, 2019 2 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said: Thats him! Sorry That kid is 6’7......if he can put it together, that would be an awesome get! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted June 27, 2019 45 minutes ago, kliq said: That kid is 6’7......if he can put it together, that would be an awesome get! Right?!! 1 kliq reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,012 Report post Posted June 27, 2019 1 hour ago, kliq said: That kid is 6’7......if he can put it together, that would be an awesome get! Seider, Tuomisto, Setkov. Can you say "dump and not chase" ? 1 kliq reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted June 27, 2019 https://thehockeywriters.com/the-grind-line-detroit-red-wings-2019-draft-grades/?utm_content=bufferaab0c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted June 28, 2019 On 6/27/2019 at 12:59 PM, ChristopherReevesLegs said: I think my very bold prediction was McIsaac will turn out better than both Zadina and Veleno. I'm sticking with that. Shut up you. McIsaac is a superb skater. Accelerates quickly backward and forward and has very good edgework and agility. I would say his skating is one of his key strengths. Definitely not a weakness. He's a very fast Dman. McIsaac is actually a lot like Seider (probably why I like them both) he's just smaller and his slap shot isn't that great. They both are fast, play an excellent transition game, and have high IQ's in both ends. I give a slight edge to McIsaac offensively as he's shown he can run a PP and we haven't seen that yet from Seider... but probably will soon. McIsaac needs to lift and eat greasy cheeseburgers. Weight and strength are really the only things holding him back IMO. Acceleration and agility aren't the same as speed. The Dodge Daytona I had in college got to 60 mph pretty quick and handled well, but I couldn't outrun an actual sports car Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,012 Report post Posted June 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, DickieDunn said: Acceleration and agility aren't the same as speed. The Dodge Daytona I had in college got to 60 mph pretty quick and handled well, but I couldn't outrun an actual sports car and you've never fully recovered Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted June 29, 2019 22 hours ago, DickieDunn said: Acceleration and agility aren't the same as speed. The Dodge Daytona I had in college got to 60 mph pretty quick and handled well, but I couldn't outrun an actual sports car You're not wrong, but its very rare to find a player who has great acceleration but is slow. The two traits are usually hand in hand. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xault 272 Report post Posted June 29, 2019 5 hours ago, kliq said: You're not wrong, but its very rare to find a player who has great acceleration but is slow. The two traits are usually hand in hand. Datz kind of comes to mind for me. He had great acceleration, but his top end speed never appeared to be very fast. More so as he aged. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted June 29, 2019 On 6/28/2019 at 11:29 AM, DickieDunn said: Acceleration and agility aren't the same as speed. The Dodge Daytona I had in college got to 60 mph pretty quick and handled well, but I couldn't outrun an actual sports car McIsaac has speed for a Dman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted June 30, 2019 3 hours ago, xault said: Datz kind of comes to mind for me. He had great acceleration, but his top end speed never appeared to be very fast. More so as he aged. There are always outliers, but typically a fast player can accelerate quickly as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted June 30, 2019 9 hours ago, kliq said: There are always outliers, but typically a fast player can accelerate quickly as well. Skaters gon skate 1 kliq reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites