Jersey Wing 1,521 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 Not liking this deal myself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Jersey Wing said: Not liking this deal myself. Agreed. We need to be dumping assets that are NOT helping us. Getting back a first is a trade. Getting back late 2nd rounders is a dump. Nyquist should have got us a first. 1 Jersey Wing reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said: Nyquist should have got us a first. Nothing really supports that tho. Zuccarello is maybe slightly better than Nyquist and he got a return that's maybe slightly better than the one we got for Nyquist. Edited February 25, 2019 by Dabura 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dabura said: Nothing really supports that tho. Zuccarello is maybe slightly better than Nyquist and he got a return that's maybe slightly better than the one we got for Nyquist. Our GM stinks, dude. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, Dabura said: Nothing really supports that tho. Zuccarello is maybe slightly better than Nyquist and he got a return that's maybe slightly better than the one we got for Nyquist. I think that’s what killed us is the rangers deal , least they got a conditional first at this point I’d rather have traded a 3rd and Gus for a 1st , quality not quantity Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 You can't trade Nyquist for a first to a team that doesn't have their first. The Sharks do not have first rounder that isn't already wrapped up in conditions for the next few years. Doubt you can trade a pick that you may not have. If there's no real talk about Nyquist being traded and we can get a second rounder plus conditional pick for a guy who had to waive his no trade -- I think Holland did just fine. Maybe the Sharks were the only team biting. 2 1 krsmith17, Dabura and Hockeymom1960 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said: Our GM stinks, dude. Our GM decided he didn't want to give a 29-year-old winger a new $5M x 5 contract and so he traded him for market value and opened up a roster spot and some cap space (assuming Nyquist is in fact gone for good). Also, this helps the tank. I'm not seeing the problem here. "Should've gotten a 1st" isn't really an argument. 4 1 e_prime, krsmith17, Akakabuto and 2 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 15 minutes ago, e_prime said: You can't trade Nyquist for a first to a team that doesn't have their first. The Sharks do not have first rounder that isn't already wrapped up in conditions for the next few years. Doubt you can trade a pick that you may not have. If there's no real talk about Nyquist being traded and we can get a second rounder plus conditional pick for a guy who had to waive his no trade -- I think Holland did just fine. Maybe the Sharks were the only team biting. Bruins had strong interest And I heard islanders as well ... sure preds would if they lost out on stone,simmonds Anyways it’s done now we’re stick with this deal 15 minutes ago, Dabura said: Our GM decided he didn't want to give a 29-year-old winger a new $5M x 5 contract and so he traded him for market value and opened up a roster spot and some cap space (assuming Nyquist is in fact gone for good). Also, this helps the tank. I'm not seeing the problem here. "Should've gotten a 1st" isn't really an argument. He went in too soon .. and you want to help the tank you move howard weeks ago , you want to make room for some kids you get rid of ericsson and Daley nyquist was as good as gone Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 19 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said: I think that’s what killed us is the rangers deal , least they got a conditional first at this point I’d rather have traded a 3rd and Gus for a 1st , quality not quantity ... if only Holland thought of that... 1 Akakabuto reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 The Holland apologists are out!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,521 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 This is such an odd deal. I'd almost rather the Stanley Cup finals condition not be met by SJ because it would turn the second rounder this year into almost a 3rd rounder. If they lose early we don't get the 2nd next year, but the one this year will be higher. So really we should all hope SJ loses early in the playoffs, but then Nyquist decides to sign with them in the offseason anyway lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 1 minute ago, nyqvististhefuture said: He went in too soon .. We don't know that. 2 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said: you want to help the tank you move howard weeks ago I didn't say helping the tank is a key consideration. I'm just saying losing Nyquist helps the cause. 10 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said: you want to make room for some kids you get rid of ericsson and Daley No one's taking Ericsson. It's possible Daley gets moved today. I like how we're not acknowledging that moving Nyquist and Jensen makes room for some kids. "Yeah, well, that's great and all, BUT WHAT ABOUT ERICSSON AND DALEY HUH?!" C'mon, man. 11 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said: nyquist was as good as gone And Holland got two picks for him. What's the problem? 3 e_prime, Hockeymom1960 and krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said: The Holland apologists are out!!! ...and the gripers are gripen'. 1 Hockeymom1960 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brett 1,029 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) Seriously you have a guy who can actually score and help the team and trade him for a 2nd rounder who’s likely never going to be playing in Detroit. s*** we have a 6th overall pick in zadina and he’s not even close to nhl ready and was struggling in the ahl. You have to at least get a 1st rounder. I’d be ok with a 2nd if you got rid of abs or Nielsen with him. Those are the guys ******* you money wise with the amount of production they make. You just got a 2nd for ******* Jensen nyquist is 10x better really dude Edited February 25, 2019 by brett Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,953 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 Here's my quick conspiracy take on this trade: Detroit has every intention of giving Nyquist his money come July. His mission in SJ, which by waiving his NTC, he chose to accept, is to bring Karlsson back with him. His reward will be the 5 yr $5.5M contract. That's it. Lol, the guy on trade centre just said Detroit is listening to offers on vet D, Stefan Kronwall.... 5 Hockeymom1960, chaps80, Akakabuto and 2 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 I guess I'm just a spiteful, petty, ******* but I would probably rather loose Nyquist for nothing on July 1st then give him away to San Jose to help their cause. But Ken Holland is a good GM and probably got what he could in a buyers market that's been flooded by a bunch of pretty good forwards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, brett said: Seriously you have a guy who can actually score and help the team and trade him for a 2nd rounder who’s likely never going to be playing in Detroit. s*** we have a 6th overall pick in zadina and he’s not even close to nhl ready and was struggling in the ahl. You have to at least get a 1st rounder. It's been more-or-less established as fact that the return Holland got for Nyquist is market value for a player like Nyquist. Again, Zuccarello got roughly the same return. Now Dreger's saying the Devils want a 2nd for Johansson: Word on the street is that Nyquist wants $5-5.5M x 5, which, to me, is all kinds of "NOPE!" And it seems like Holland agrees. So 1) Nyquist had to be moved, and 2) Holland got market value for him. In Nyquist's absence, a roster spot opens up and all the young kids who are already full-timers might get slightly expanded roles. (I say "might" because it's possible we add someone through free agency or a trade or even the upcoming draft.) 2 krsmith17 and Learn2LuvIt reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Manny>Ozzie(by a long shot) 55 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) The 2019 2nd will end up being Florida's so we good! https://www.nhl.com/news/san-jose-sharks-get-gustav-nyquist-in-trade-with-detroit-red-wings/c-305191442 Sent with @NHL Edited February 25, 2019 by Manny>Ozzie(by a long shot) 1 1 krsmith17 and Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
13dangledangle 958 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 It is what it is. Holland was in a lose/lose situation with Gus, he isn't worth what WE all believe and if he let him walk July 1st everyone would be pissed he wasn't traded at the deadline. Either way, the Goose is loose. I wish him all the best, he gave us some good hockey moments 2 Dabura and Hockeymom1960 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, Manny>Ozzie(by a long shot) said: The 2019 2nd will end up being Florida's so we good! https://www.nhl.com/news/san-jose-sharks-get-gustav-nyquist-in-trade-with-detroit-red-wings/c-305191442 Sent with @NHL Interesting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Learn2LuvIt 245 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, Dabura said: It's been more-or-less established as fact that the return Holland got for Nyquist is market value for a player like Nyquist. Again, Zuccarello got roughly the same return. Now Dreger's saying the Devils want a 2nd for Johansson: Word on the street is that Nyquist wants $5-5.5M x 5, which, to me, is all kinds of "NOPE!" And it seems like Holland agrees. So 1) Nyquist had to be moved, and 2) Holland got market value for him. In Nyquist's absence, a roster spot opens up and all the young kids who are already full-timers might get slightly expanded roles. (I say "might" because it's possible we add someone through free agency or a trade or even the upcoming draft.) I agree. I've been hearing the same thing...Nyquist's future here in Detroit was all but sealed and he wasn't going to be here next year as his asking price tag $ was prohibitive to keeping him. I like that Kenny is actually starting to make "rebuild" moves rather than trying to keep "above average/good" players and overpaying, giving NTC, and signing them for way too long of contracts. On top of gaining the ability to attain more players with the hopes of finding a few "diamonds", draft picks, even if they are 2nd rounders or even later rounds picks can be very useful in throwing in deal packages to get future deals done. Lastly, it's refreshing to see us cut a kid who grew up on our system loose instead of playing the loyalty card which has burned us many, many times in the past. 3 Hockeymom1960, krsmith17 and Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 22 minutes ago, Manny>Ozzie(by a long shot) said: The 2019 2nd will end up being Florida's so we good! https://www.nhl.com/news/san-jose-sharks-get-gustav-nyquist-in-trade-with-detroit-red-wings/c-305191442 Sent with @NHL This makes a big difference. 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,521 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 22 minutes ago, Manny>Ozzie(by a long shot) said: The 2019 2nd will end up being Florida's so we good! https://www.nhl.com/news/san-jose-sharks-get-gustav-nyquist-in-trade-with-detroit-red-wings/c-305191442 Sent with @NHL Link isn't opening for me for some reason. Is this legit? Florida's 2nd? I feel WAY better about that. 2 Dabura and Jonas Mahonas reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 25 minutes ago, Manny>Ozzie(by a long shot) said: The 2019 2nd will end up being Florida's so we good! https://www.nhl.com/news/san-jose-sharks-get-gustav-nyquist-in-trade-with-detroit-red-wings/c-305191442 Sent with @NHL It's says whichever team's pick (Florida or SJ) is "lower" at season's end. Does lower mean closer to 3rd round or closer to 1st. When I hear x was traded for a "low" 2nd rounder I think closer to 3rd round. Someone must confirm what all this means 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mckinley25 677 Report post Posted February 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, kipwinger said: Link isn't opening for me for some reason. Is this legit? Florida's 2nd? I feel WAY better about that. NHL.com reports the same information. It is listed as Florida’s 2nd rounder. 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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