nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted May 23, 2019 16 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Yup. Taking Callahan for one year makes a lot of sense for us. Especially because Yzerman is familiar with the player and friendly with Brisebois. However when we unloaded Datsyuk's (bigger) contract, Arizona only got to move up 4 spots in the first round, and lost a 2nd rounder. They also didn't pull the trigger till it was down to the wire and saw that Chychrun was available at the 16 pick. If that's any sort of reference, I don't think we'll be getting Foote or a 1st rounder for doing Tampa the favor. Especially since Tampa is likely losing Stralman/Girardi/Coburn either this year or next i don't think they will move Foote. I think a 2nd sounds reasonable, or maybe a prospect other than Foote that Yzerrman knows and likes. The other option is Edmonton with Holland. What about Lucic? Abdelkader and Lucic have contracts that expire the same year. They retain $1.75 so it's a straight up swap. Holland gets his darling Abby and we get a legit enforcer in Lucic? Probably stupid, but I've seen other fans talking about this possibility Oh I think adding Foote is a zero possibility , be nice but I’m sure they wanna keep him for the future , if they can live with trading the 27th and moving back I’d do it but I do agree I think they’ll wait and see what happens on the day , I’d personally have no problem taking 2020 2nd and waiting a year ya I think lucic’s Enforcer days are over , don’t recall him fighting much, don’t even think he has the appetite for it anymore and I do think abdelkader has a no trade clause for like another 1-2 years? No clue how that even happens, I think at this point best option with abdelkader is playing him two more years and then buying him out or eating half his salary and moving him, 8 year buyout is too long would love to add Marleau and well and deal him right away with salary for more picks but I’m sure he’s gonna screw Toronto and not waive his no trade clause , don’t know if there’s anyone else out there with with 1 year , maybe 2 max we can get to land us more picks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted May 23, 2019 9 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said: Oh I think adding Foote is a zero possibility , be nice but I’m sure they wanna keep him for the future , if they can live with trading the 27th and moving back I’d do it but I do agree I think they’ll wait and see what happens on the day , I’d personally have no problem taking 2020 2nd and waiting a year ya I think lucic’s Enforcer days are over , don’t recall him fighting much, don’t even think he has the appetite for it anymore and I do think abdelkader has a no trade clause for like another 1-2 years? No clue how that even happens, I think at this point best option with abdelkader is playing him two more years and then buying him out or eating half his salary and moving him, 8 year buyout is too long would love to add Marleau and well and deal him right away with salary for more picks but I’m sure he’s gonna screw Toronto and not waive his no trade clause , don’t know if there’s anyone else out there with with 1 year , maybe 2 max we can get to land us more picks Could give them the Islanders 2nd this year for their 1st this year. I'd be cool with that. Yeah forgot Abby has an NTC. Nothing against Marleau as a player but I doubt he waives for Detroit, and I don't want the Leafs sloppy seconds either 1 F.Michael reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mackel 681 Report post Posted May 23, 2019 1 hour ago, nyqvististhefuture said: One rumour with Hopkins for mantha and everyone all of a sudden wants him ...thinking adding Callahan and eating salary and flipping him right away is a move I’d be looking at us making with yzermans Tampa connections as much as I’d love to add Foote I can’t see that happening , I’d love if we can land tampa’s 1st and give back a 3rd or 4th I’d theyd be willing to do that , 2020 2nd minimum , rather we make our own picks than add a raddysh Is that a legit rumour? Mantha for RNH? That would be a bad deal for us... we'd get older, smaller and more expensive. If we want a center, maybe consider Turris... the Preds apparently want out of his contract (which is bad) but he has good chemistry with Mantha at the worlds... and we might be able to send some salary back or leverage a 1st rounder for the cap relief. 3 Dabura, Wheelchairsuperhero and solarion reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted May 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Could give them the Islanders 2nd this year for their 1st this year. I'd be cool with that. Yeah forgot Abby has an NTC. Nothing against Marleau as a player but I doubt he waives for Detroit, and I don't want the Leafs sloppy seconds either Ummm well we’d be taking on Callahan’s maybe half salary if we ship him out right away to move up 25 spots?id rather it be higher gap than that if we do that or just collect picks alone without giving picks back if possible , like i think I’d be just as ok as taking a 2020 second and keeping 54 cause we might be able to land a good player with that pick aNd get another crack next had as for marleau I was thinking same thing as in eat salary and ship him off right away , I know he’d have no intentions of coming here and I wouldn’t want him here either way same with Callahan I’d just trade them for picks, eat salary and trade for more picks again if possible but I doubt marleau agrees to leave Toronto , he wants to win the cup at this stage and if the leafs can fix that d they have as good a shot as anyone 5 minutes ago, mackel said: Is that a legit rumour? Mantha for RNH? That would be a bad deal for us... we'd get older, smaller and more expensive. If we want a center, maybe consider Turris... the Preds apparently want out of his contract (which is bad) but he has good chemistry with Mantha at the worlds... and we might be able to send some salary back or leverage a 1st rounder for the cap relief. Pretty sure is just some crackhead in the basement writing bs up https://t.co/sX9c6Oaa0n?amp=1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted May 23, 2019 Yzerman is not trading for Callahan. Yzerman is not trading for Lucic. Yzerman is not trading for RNH. Yzerman is not trading for Marleau. Yzerman is not trading Mantha. Yzerman is not trading Abby. Yzerman is not trading Daley. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mackel 681 Report post Posted May 23, 2019 (edited) My plan would be to shake things up by telling some big salary underperformers that an NHL roster spot is not guaranteed. Abby, Helm and a few others would be told if they don't earn their spot its off to waivers and Grand Rapids... salary cap be dammed. Edited May 23, 2019 by mackel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted May 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Yzerman is not trading for Callahan. Yzerman is not trading for Lucic. Yzerman is not trading for RNH. Yzerman is not trading for Marleau. Yzerman is not trading Mantha. Yzerman is not trading Abby. Yzerman is not trading Daley. I could see that one happeneing 4 minutes ago, mackel said: Is that a legit rumour? Mantha for RNH? That would be a bad deal for us... we'd get older, smaller and more expensive. If we want a center, maybe consider Turris... the Preds apparently want out of his contract (which is bad) but he has good chemistry with Mantha at the worlds... and we might be able to send some salary back or leverage a 1st rounder for the cap relief. Deja vu? 20 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said: Pretty sure is just some crackhead in the basement writing bs up https://t.co/sX9c6Oaa0n?amp=1 ******* crack heads 1 nyqvististhefuture reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mackel 681 Report post Posted May 23, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: I could see that one happeneing Deja vu? ******* crack heads Deja vu? Not sure what u mean CRL. Edited May 23, 2019 by mackel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted May 23, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, mackel said: Deja vu? Not sure what u mean CRL. You posted the same thing twice 20 min apart EDIT: nvm u edited it Edited May 23, 2019 by ChristopherReevesLegs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mackel 681 Report post Posted May 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: You posted the same thing twice 20 min apart EDIT: nvm u edited it Yea my phone had a hissy fit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted May 23, 2019 20 minutes ago, mackel said: If we want a center, maybe consider Turris... the Preds apparently want out of his contract (which is bad) but he has good chemistry with Mantha at the worlds... and we might be able to send some salary back or leverage a 1st rounder for the cap relief. Turris does appear to have legit chemistry with Mantha and it's got me thinking it might be nice if we could find a way to add him. However, apart from that chemistry wiith Mantha, I'm not sure he makes sense for us. Still, I like where your head is at. And I like where krsmith's head is at. As with Turris, Callahan probably doesn't make much sense for us (albeit for slightly different reasons) -- but I wouldn't be surprised to see Yzerman make a low-key shrewd trade or two this summer. 1 Wheelchairsuperhero reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wheelchairsuperhero 1,453 Report post Posted May 23, 2019 1 hour ago, mackel said: Is that a legit rumour? Mantha for RNH? That would be a bad deal for us... we'd get older, smaller and more expensive. If we want a center, maybe consider Turris... the Preds apparently want out of his contract (which is bad) but he has good chemistry with Mantha at the worlds... and we might be able to send some salary back or leverage a 1st rounder for the cap relief. Agreed. Even if I were higher on RNH, I'm not thrilled with the idea of parting with Mantha at this point. Even if he doesn't hit his ceiling he'll still be an absolute force in the top 6 IMO. 6'5'' 225 and finally looks like he's playing his size. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted May 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Wheelchairsuperhero said: Agreed. Even if I were higher on RNH, I'm not thrilled with the idea of parting with Mantha at this point. Even if he doesn't hit his ceiling he'll still be an absolute force in the top 6 IMO. 6'5'' 225 and finally looks like he's playing his size. Yeah 2017/18: 60% scoring rate 2018/19: 72% scoring rate + dominant at worlds He's about to turn 25 to start the season. We should be entering his prime production years. I have no interest in parting ways with him right now. If he keeps this trend and jumps another 12% in production we're looking at a 69 point season, giggity 1 1 Wheelchairsuperhero and krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mackel 681 Report post Posted May 23, 2019 14 minutes ago, Wheelchairsuperhero said: Agreed. Even if I were higher on RNH, I'm not thrilled with the idea of parting with Mantha at this point. Even if he doesn't hit his ceiling he'll still be an absolute force in the top 6 IMO. 6'5'' 225 and finally looks like he's playing his size. Mantha for RNH, could be the new Neely for Pederson. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wheelchairsuperhero 1,453 Report post Posted May 23, 2019 8 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Yeah 2017/18: 60% scoring rate 2018/19: 72% scoring rate + dominant at worlds He's about to turn 25 to start the season. We should be entering his prime production years. I have no interest in parting ways with him right now. If he keeps this trend and jumps another 12% in production we're looking at a 69 point season, giggity time for Mantha to change his number. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted May 23, 2019 Just now, Wheelchairsuperhero said: time for Mantha to change his number. I don't know if it's cause he looks like he belongs in a porno, or if it just cause I've always had a thing for bad bois, but I feel like the one who should pop the 69 cherry is Ty Tuzzi He's the kind of guy you say no to... but you mean the opposite 2 Wheelchairsuperhero and Akakabuto reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,750 Report post Posted May 23, 2019 Read in a Slovakia-thread on HFboards that Samuel Bucek is expected to join Red Wings camp. Seems pretty interesting. 6’3 LW with a right hand shot. https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/225621/samuel-bucek Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted May 23, 2019 9 hours ago, nyqvististhefuture said: as much as I’d love to add Foote I can’t see that happening 8 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: I don't think we'll be getting Foote or a 1st rounder for doing Tampa the favor. Especially since Tampa is likely losing Stralman/Girardi/Coburn either this year or next i don't think they will move Foote. Yeah, I'm not too optimistic in getting a Foote level prospect either. My original proposal a few weeks ago was the Lightning's 1st round pick for our (Islanders) 2nd round pick. I'm just hoping Yzerman can pull off some magic... 8 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Yup. Taking Callahan for one year makes a lot of sense for us. Especially because Yzerman is familiar with the player and friendly with Brisebois. However when we unloaded Datsyuk's (bigger) contract, Arizona only got to move up 4 spots in the first round, and lost a 2nd rounder. They also didn't pull the trigger till it was down to the wire and saw that Chychrun was available at the 16 pick. I'm not sure if that's a great comparison though. Most knew that Holland destroyed Chayka in that trade the day it was made. It's becoming more indisputable by the day. We've seen Holland destroy Chayka in a trade. We've seen Yzerman destroy Holland in a trade. We will soon seen Yzerman destroy BriseBois (among other GM's) in trade(s)... Bryan Bickell may be a better comparison to Ryan Callahan than Datsyuk's contract, and the Hawks had to trade Teravainen to Carolina to get rid of Bickell. Again, Foote is likely a pipe dream, but you never know. I'd be okay with Raddysh as well. Or just moving up 20ish spots from the 2nd to the 1st round. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted May 23, 2019 8 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Yzerman is not trading for Lucic. Yzerman is not trading for RNH. Yzerman is not trading for Marleau. Yzerman is not trading Mantha. Yzerman is not trading Abby. These I agree with. Not happening. 8 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Yzerman is not trading for Callahan. Yzerman is not trading Daley. These I believe are real possibilities. 7 hours ago, Dabura said: Turris does appear to have legit chemistry with Mantha and it's got me thinking it might be nice if we could find a way to add him. However, apart from that chemistry wiith Mantha, I'm not sure he makes sense for us. Still, I like where your head is at. And I like where krsmith's head is at. As with Turris, Callahan probably doesn't make much sense for us (albeit for slightly different reasons) -- but I wouldn't be surprised to see Yzerman make a low-key shrewd trade or two this summer. Care to explain this one? Of all the possible trade scenarios floating around, this one makes the most sense for us (and Tampa) in my opinion. I'm not sure exactly what such a trade would look like, but acquiring Callahan makes a ton of sense. Yzerman helps out his old team by taking a bad contract for one year, and continues to acquire key assets for his rebuilding Wings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted May 23, 2019 8 hours ago, mackel said: Is that a legit rumour? Mantha for RNH? That would be a bad deal for us... we'd get older, smaller and more expensive. If we want a center, maybe consider Turris... the Preds apparently want out of his contract (which is bad) but he has good chemistry with Mantha at the worlds... and we might be able to send some salary back or leverage a 1st rounder for the cap relief. I agree that Mantha for Nugent-Hopkins would be an awful trade for us. I'm not that interested in trading for Turris either though, unless the Preds retain salary or take back a contract, which they likely wouldn't be willing to do. Or if we could somehow trade Nielsen in a separate trade... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted May 23, 2019 9 hours ago, nyqvististhefuture said: Just noticed Toledo is winning game 7 and zach gallant scored and has 5 goals and 11 pts in 10 games in the playoffs , I had all but written him off for getting a contract offer but just wondering if anyone thinks his recent run with Toledo will make yzerman sign the kid or we just cut ties? I think Gallant will be signed to an ELC, and fight for a spot in Grand Rapids next season. I doubt he'll ever play in Detroit though. Also, I'm not sure what it is with you getting stats wrong all the time, but Gallant had 5 goals, 11 points in 18 playoff games, and 1 goal, 4 points in 4 regular season games with the Walleye. 2 hours ago, Akakabuto said: Read in a Slovakia-thread on HFboards that Samuel Bucek is expected to join Red Wings camp. Seems pretty interesting. 6’3 LW with a right hand shot. https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/225621/samuel-bucek This would be another solid low risk, high reward signing for Yzerman. Is this coming from any reputable source? Link? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,959 Report post Posted May 23, 2019 You don't trade Mantha for RNH, you trade Rasmussen in a package. RNH allows AA to go back to wing, plus he'll be around longer than Nielsen, and doesn't hurt Veleno's spot. It all makes sense. We have plenty of Cap space this season, and we'll have even more next season when Callahan, Ercisson, Daley and Howard all drop. We can give BOTh mantha and AA $5.5M to $6M each if they want it. PLUS if Trouba makes UFA we can go after him. (unless we've already traded for him or another #1 D.) We are going to have nearly $30M available in the summer of 2020 as it stands right now. We have $23M today with Franzen and Z LTIR. We can absolutely acquire cap for picks, and if we are doing so, we should get handsomely paid. Tampa NEEDS cap space, they are a player away from a Cup win. They should be fine with dealing picks to get that Cup. Callahan makes perfect sense for the year. Tampa does not have a 2nd this draft, which is why I put the 2020 1st. Now if they want to make it a 2019 2nd, then toss in a top prospect, I'd listen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted May 23, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, krsmith17 said: Yeah, I'm not too optimistic in getting a Foote level prospect either. My original proposal a few weeks ago was the Lightning's 1st round pick for our (Islanders) 2nd round pick. I'm just hoping Yzerman can pull off some magic... I'm not sure if that's a great comparison though. Most knew that Holland destroyed Chayka in that trade the day it was made. It's becoming more indisputable by the day. We've seen Holland destroy Chayka in a trade. We've seen Yzerman destroy Holland in a trade. We will soon seen Yzerman destroy BriseBois (among other GM's) in trade(s)... Bryan Bickell may be a better comparison to Ryan Callahan than Datsyuk's contract, and the Hawks had to trade Teravainen to Carolina to get rid of Bickell. Again, Foote is likely a pipe dream, but you never know. I'd be okay with Raddysh as well. Or just moving up 20ish spots from the 2nd to the 1st round. What’s about 2020 2nd? 1 hour ago, krsmith17 said: I think Gallant will be signed to an ELC, and fight for a spot in Grand Rapids next season. I doubt he'll ever play in Detroit though. Also, I'm not sure what it is with you getting stats wrong all the time, but Gallant had 5 goals, 11 points in 18 playoff games, and 1 goal, 4 points in 4 regular season games with the Walleye. This would be another solid low risk, high reward signing for Yzerman. Is this coming from any reputable source? Link? Don’t think he’ll play for the wings next year was just asking if he’d be in the wings plans to keep as a prospect or move on Edited May 23, 2019 by nyqvististhefuture Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted May 23, 2019 15 minutes ago, LeftWinger said: You don't trade Mantha for RNH, you trade Rasmussen in a package. I'm not opposed to trading Rasmussen, but Nugent-Hopkins wouldn't be my top choice. And if we were trading for him, it would take a LOT more than Ras and swapping 1st round picks. 19 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said: What’s about 2020 2nd? I'd settle for a 2020 2nd, but personally I'd prefer Raddysh. 23 minutes ago, LeftWinger said: Callahan makes perfect sense for the year. Tampa does not have a 2nd this draft, which is why I put the 2020 1st. Now if they want to make it a 2019 2nd, then toss in a top prospect, I'd listen. BriseBois is not giving up a 2nd round pick AND a top prospect to get rid of Callahan for one season... 25 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said: Don’t think he’ll play for the wings next year was just asking if he’d be in the wings plans to keep the prospect or move on Like I said, I think they'll sign him as a depth player for the Griffins, but doubt they see him as a part of the Wings future. What obscure website do you get your stats from? Seriously, what site is that? Not using EliteProspects or HockeyDB is criminal... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,750 Report post Posted May 23, 2019 1 hour ago, krsmith17 said: This would be another solid low risk, high reward signing for Yzerman. Is this coming from any reputable source? Link? Haven’t found one yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
