2019 Offseason Rebuild Thread, Pt. 2 - What's the Yzerplan?

[F.Michael 4,590]

10 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Could give them the Islanders 2nd this year for their 1st this year. I'd be cool with that.

Yeah forgot Abby has an NTC.

Nothing against Marleau as a player but I doubt he waives for Detroit, and I don't want the Leafs sloppy seconds either

I've said it numerous times already...What the hell was Lamoriello thinking when signing Marleau?

He won't waive his NTC - it'll screw the Leafs this upcoming season since they'll likely lose some talent via a trade, or offer sheet.

And yes - we don't need Marleau...Unless it's a straight up trade where we send Abby to Toronto...

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7 minutes ago, Akakabuto said:

Haven’t found one yet. 

Found something. 

https://www.google.se/amp/s/mynitra.sme.sk/c/amp/22123242/samuel-bucek-podpisal-zmluvu-s-kookoo-kouvola.html

Via google translate:

”For all the guys looking for the NHL. "The transfer to KooKoo has been set up by Detroit Red Wings, where I am going to camp on June 23. They wanted me to play in Finland for at least a year.”

 

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2 minutes ago, Akakabuto said:

Found something. 

https://www.google.se/amp/s/mynitra.sme.sk/c/amp/22123242/samuel-bucek-podpisal-zmluvu-s-kookoo-kouvola.html

Via google translate:

”For all the guys looking for the NHL. "The transfer to KooKoo has been set up by Detroit Red Wings, where I am going to camp on June 23. They wanted me to play in Finland for at least a year.”

Thanks!

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22 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

I'm not opposed to trading Rasmussen, but Nugent-Hopkins wouldn't be my top choice. And if we were trading for him, it would take a LOT more than Ras and swapping 1st round picks.

I'd settle for a 2020 2nd, but personally I'd prefer Raddysh.

BriseBois is not giving up a 2nd round pick AND a top prospect to get rid of Callahan for one season...

Like I said, I think they'll sign him as a depth player for the Griffins, but doubt they see him as a part of the Wings future.

What obscure website do you get your stats from? Seriously, what site is that?

Not using EliteProspects or HockeyDB is criminal...

Not sure how I feel about raddysh, I’d be ok with it but I think I’d rather get a 2nd in 2020 with what is suppose to be the best draft in ages , hopefully Gus resigns in sj and if we can’t land a 1st for green at the deadline you’d have to think we’d get at least a 2nd which would potentially give us 5 2nd rounders .... lots of if’s I know 

 

Hahaha no I use eliteprospects and hockeydb, I just found the playoff option now for eliteprospects though ... it’s website flashscore , use it for when I bet on different sports and stuff and you can check like every hockey game playing basically in every league , you click on gallant and that’s what it showed , my bad but seeing gallant playing pretty well with men in his first attempt basically and helping them to the finals is a good start. 

Dont think he’d ever be a significant piece in Detroit but I’m thinking he could have an outside shot as a 4th liner some day , who knows 

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There are a lot of rumblings that Trouba will be traded in the next month, before the draft. If he is available, what would you be willing to give up in a trade? Apparently they'd want a capable top 4 defenseman coming back. Would a trade involving Green work (assuming he's healthy)?

To DET: Jacob Trouba

To WPG: Mike Green, Michael Rasmussen, 2019 2nd round pick (SJS)

Would that be enough? Too much?

I've been saying we should wait until he reaches free agency in a year (assuming he only signs for one more year with Winnipeg), but if he is being traded, we definitely need to inquire...

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3 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Not sure how I feel about raddysh, I’d be ok with it but I think I’d rather get a 2nd in 2020 with what is suppose to be the best draft in ages , hopefully Gus resigns in sj and if we can’t land a 1st for green at the deadline you’d have to think we’d get at least a 2nd which would potentially give us 5 2nd rounders .... lots of if’s I know 

I'm not as high on Raddysh as I once was, but I think he will be a player (middle six winger), which is more than you can say about most late 2nd round picks. Draft picks are great, but I'd take the sure(r) thing over the unknown. He's also a lot closer to NHL ready than any player we'd be getting in the 2020 draft would be.

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1 minute ago, krsmith17 said:

There are a lot of rumblings that Trouba will be traded in the next month, before the draft. If he is available, what would you be willing to give up in a trade? Apparently they'd want a capable top 4 defenseman coming back. Would a trade involving Green work (assuming he's healthy)?

To DET: Jacob Trouba

To WPG: Mike Green, Michael Rasmussen, 2019 2nd round pick (SJS)

Would that be enough? Too much?

I've been saying we should wait until he reaches free agency in a year (assuming he only signs for one more year with Winnipeg), but if he is being traded, we definitely need to inquire...

God I’ve been seeing way too many trade for trouba posts lately lol . I wouldn’t do it , the way I see it is were a rebuilding team and we shouldn’t be trading all these assets to get a guy who will likely keep us as a non playoff team anyways when we have a Great chance landing him for free in a year 

I know a lot of people are scared if he gets dealt he’s gonna sign a contract with the new team but you can’t force someone to sign , if he really wants to be a redwing I’m sure yzerman knows, possibly told him to hold off one more year so we’d be better off longterm to compete for a cup.

not the biggest fan of Rasmussen but he is a top 10 pick so I’m hoping I’ll be proven wrong and he can be a Ppl specialist and at least be a 20-25 goal guy , maybe with the sharks pick we can land a decent player like thrun/alnefelt/knyazev etc..  and mike green can fetch us possibly a 2020 first or 2 2nds at the deadline , I just think it’s better to wait a year and see where the chips fall 

Just now, krsmith17 said:

I'm not as high on Raddysh as I once was, but I think he will be a player (middle six winger), which is more than you can say about most late 2nd round picks. Draft picks are great, but I'd take the sure(r) thing over the unknown. He's also a lot closer to NHL ready than any player we'd be getting in the 2020 draft would be.

True , but way I see it is were not in a hurry we’re rebuilding so I’d be ok waiting , also adding more 2nds possibly allow us to move 2 2nds if we keep stockpiling them and moving into the 1st round again in 2020, we have a bunch of kids coming so I think we can afford to pass on raddysh, I don’t think Tampa can though with the cap situation there going to need to cheap players coming in that can produce as well for them and he looks like an option

im just hoping we get something from Tampa for Callahan , eat salary and get more assets back for him again, seems like a no brainer for us

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3 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

God I’ve been seeing way too many trade for trouba posts lately lol . I wouldn’t do it , the way I see it is were a rebuilding team and we shouldn’t be trading all these assets to get a guy who will likely keep us as a non playoff team anyways when we have a Great chance landing him for free in a year 

I know a lot of people are scared if he gets dealt he’s gonna sign a contract with the new team but you can’t force someone to sign , if he really wants to be a redwing I’m sure yzerman knows, possibly told him to hold off one more year so we’d be better off longterm to compete for a cup.

not the biggest fan of Rasmussen but he is a top 10 pick so I’m hoping I’ll be proven wrong and he can be a Ppl specialist and at least be a 20-25 goal guy , maybe with the sharks pick we can land a decent player like thrun/alnefelt/knyazev etc..  and mike green can fetch us possibly a 2020 first or 2 2nds at the deadline , I just think it’s better to wait a year and see where the chips fall 

Trouba is a top pair defenseman that is just entering his prime (25 years old), and would fit right in with the age of the rest of the young core. Yes, Rasmussen was picked 9th overall, but so was Trouba... If we're lucky, Rasmussen becomes a power-play specialist and puts up 50 points some day. Trouba is doing that now as a defenseman.

How does acquiring Trouba "keep us as a non-playoff team"? No, we might not make it next year, but he progresses the rebuild and gets us that much closer.

Yzerman can't tell Trouba to hold off and sign in Detroit in a year's time. That would be tampering. However, if we did acquire him, he would be all but guaranteed to re-sign in Detroit. Zero chance he would turn down a contract from his childhood team (Red Wings) / childhood idol (Yzerman). If he gets traded to another team, there's a strong possibility he would re-sign there as well though. From everything I've heard, he just wants to play in the States, closer to home. Detroit is as close to home as he's going to get. Great fit for both sides.

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3 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

Bryan Bickell may be a better comparison to Ryan Callahan than Datsyuk's contract, and the Hawks had to trade Teravainen to Carolina to get rid of Bickell.

 

Again, Foote is likely a pipe dream, but you never know. I'd be okay with Raddysh as well. Or just moving up 20ish spots from the 2nd to the 1st round.

Didn't Bickell have multiple years left to burn though?

EDIT: NVM KR I guess it only had one year left. Maybe Foote is a possibility. Boy Chayka is dumb eh?

2 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

You don't trade Mantha for RNH, you trade Rasmussen in a package.

I know some of you weren't happy about the Ras pick on draft day, but there's absolutely no way I'm willing to trade a 9th overall pick who just turned 20 and played one season on the fourth line at this point. And I'm kinda surprised some of you are advocating it.

If I said Zadina + Green for Trouba ya'll would scoff.

Edited May 23, 2019 by ChristopherReevesLegs

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Unrelated to Witkowski, but Yzerman made 4 trades prior to the draft his first year in Tampa to shake the team up. Not saying 4 trades is what he'll do, but maybe 1 or 2 isn't a stretch.

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25 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

I know some of you weren't happy about the Ras pick on draft day, but there's absolutely no way I'm willing to trade a 9th overall pick who just turned 20 and played one season on the fourth line at this point. And I'm kinda surprised some of you are advocating it.

If I said Zadina + Green for Trouba ya'll would scoff.

You're right. I would for sure. But, I'm much higher on Zadina than I ever have been on Rasmussen (as many well know). I'm not looking to trade Ras, because I do still think he'll be a solid contributor, but in my opinion, his ceiling is MUCH lower than Zadina's.

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1 hour ago, krsmith17 said:

Trouba is a top pair defenseman that is just entering his prime (25 years old), and would fit right in with the age of the rest of the young core. Yes, Rasmussen was picked 9th overall, but so was Trouba... If we're lucky, Rasmussen becomes a power-play specialist and puts up 50 points some day. Trouba is doing that now as a defenseman.

How does acquiring Trouba "keep us as a non-playoff team"? No, we might not make it next year, but he progresses the rebuild and gets us that much closer.

Yzerman can't tell Trouba to hold off and sign in Detroit in a year's time. That would be tampering. However, if we did acquire him, he would be all but guaranteed to re-sign in Detroit. Zero chance he would turn down a contract from his childhood team (Red Wings) / childhood idol (Yzerman). If he gets traded to another team, there's a strong possibility he would re-sign there as well though. From everything I've heard, he just wants to play in the States, closer to home. Detroit is as close to home as he's going to get. Great fit for both sides.

Yes we get closer to competing but I don’t think we’d be a playoff team , east is way far superior to the west and yes I realize yzerman can’t tell trouba to hold off a year and not sign anywhere else (tampering happens whether it’s discussed or not) but he also can’t make trouba sign with us if he’s dealt here, he’s going to sign where he wants to go at this point. He’s been waiting to be a ufa to leave the jets for years and at this stage I suspect he will test the marker or go to his #1 pick which I believe is Detroit 

i don’t believe if he’s traded to a team it makes automatic that he’s so relieved he’s not in Winnipeg anymore that he’ll just sign up, I’m all for trouba but I’m sticking with the wait till July 1 2020 plan, If he doesn’t end up coming so be it 

winnipeg as well are in win now mode , they don’t wanna add picks and kids so I don’t think we have anything to offer them really that allows them to keep competing for the cup unless we deal a mantha type player and I wouldn’t do that , if they took dekeyser Locked up for trouba I’d do it but I don’t think they would. It’s all good you want him but I’d prefer to keep building assets and the team and chancing it and waiting a year at this point to get a player who’s been rumoured for many years as wanting to be a redwing

Edited May 23, 2019 by nyqvististhefuture

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2 hours ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

True , but way I see it is were not in a hurry we’re rebuilding so I’d be ok waiting , also adding more 2nds possibly allow us to move 2 2nds if we keep stockpiling them and moving into the 1st round again in 2020, we have a bunch of kids coming so I think we can afford to pass on raddysh, I don’t think Tampa can though with the cap situation there going to need to cheap players coming in that can produce as well for them and he looks like an option

Yes, we're rebuilding, and adding a 21 year old prospect with top six upside is what rebuilding teams tend to do... Again, the known prospect is much more valuable than the unknown pick in the same range. Taylor Raddysh (picked 58th overall) > 2nd round pick (around 58th overall)

12 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Yes we get closer to competing but I don’t think we’d be a playoff team

I didn't say we'd be a playoff team, but he improves our team in a big way, and gets us closer to the playoffs in the next year or two... Which after all, is the goal...

12 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

yes I realize yzerman can’t tell trouba to hold off a year and not sign anywhere else (tampering happens whether it’s discussed or not)

Here's what you said in your previous post...

2 hours ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

if he really wants to be a redwing I’m sure yzerman knows, possibly told him to hold off one more year so we’d be better off longterm to compete for a cup.

... so I don't think you did realize Yzerman can't talk contract with Trouba, or you think he would anyway, despite rules on tampering...

16 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

he also can’t make trouba sign with us if he’s dealt here, he’s going to sign where he wants to go at this point. He’s been waiting to be a ufa to leave the jets for years and at this stage I suspect he will test the marker or go to his #1 pick which I believe is Detroit 

No he can't force Trouba to sign, but I'm sure he would have a pretty convincing pitch ready for him (not that I think he'd need to do a whole lot of convincing)...

18 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

i don’t believe if he’s traded to a team it makes automatic that he’s so relieved he’s not in Winnipeg anymore that he’ll just sign up, I’m all for trouba but I’m sticking with the wait till July 1 2020 plan, If he doesn’t end up coming so be it 

Nowhere did I say that if he is traded to another team, he would "automatically" re-sign. However it is possible that if he is traded to another team, he could sign an extension. I don't completely disagree with you on waiting until 2020, but my question was, if we were to go after him in 2019, what would it take to get him?...

24 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

winnipeg as well are in win now mode , they don’t wanna add picks and kids so I don’t think we have anything to offer them really that allows them to keep competing for the cup unless we deal a mantha type player and I wouldn’t do that , if they took dekeyser Locked up for trouba I’d do it but I don’t think they would. It’s all good you want him but I’d prefer to keep building assets and the team and chancing it and waiting a year at this point to get a player who’s been rumoured for many years as wanting to be a redwing

If Winnipeg know that they're going to lose Trouba regardless, they would likely be willing to trade him for a similar package to the one I proposed. Green, although much older, isn't that far behind Trouba production wise. He too will likely be gone after next season, but they add a high end prospect and a high pick. Again, I'm not sure if this is too much, or not enough to offer, but it seems at least somewhat fair from both teams' perspectives...

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1 hour ago, krsmith17 said:

You're right. I would for sure. But, I'm much higher on Zadina than I ever have been on Rasmussen (as many well know). I'm not looking to trade Ras, because I do still think he'll be a solid contributor, but in my opinion, his ceiling is MUCH lower than Zadina's.

I know the meme is rAsMUssEn iS a NeT fROnt SPeCiaLisT, but to argue the opposite of the point I did with Zadina; it's too soon to tell.

I wouldn't trade either Zadina or Ras for anyone really (realistically)

I think Zadina tops out as a 60-70 pt sniper winger who will be average defensively

I think Rasmussen tops out as a 60 pt center who will be a monster defensively. The center you roll against other teams top lines, like a Kesler or a Dubinsky. And at 6'6" 225 lbs he could be extremely dominant in that roll. Add his net front presence on the PP and you've got a possibly extremely valuable player one day.

The only wrench in that plan for Ras is if AA or Veleno take clearly over the 2C spot. If that's the case I think he moves to Wing and becomes the forechecking power forward that Mantha doesn't like to be.

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14 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

Yes, we're rebuilding, and adding a 21 year old prospect with top six upside is what rebuilding teams tend to do... Again, the known prospect is much more valuable than the unknown pick in the same range. Taylor Raddysh (picked 58th overall) > 2nd round pick (around 58th overall)

I didn't say we'd be a playoff team, but he improves our team in a big way, and gets us closer to the playoffs in the next year or two... Which after all, is the goal...

Here's what you said in your previous post...

... so I don't think you did realize Yzerman can't talk contract with Trouba, or you think he would anyway, despite rules on tampering...

No he can't force Trouba to sign, but I'm sure he would have a pretty convincing pitch ready for him (not that I think he'd need to do a whole lot of convincing)...

Nowhere did I say that if he is traded to another team, he would "automatically" re-sign. However it is possible that if he is traded to another team, he could sign an extension. I don't completely disagree with you on waiting until 2020, but my question was, if we were to go after him in 2019, what would it take to get him?...

If Winnipeg know that they're going to lose Trouba regardless, they would likely be willing to trade him for a similar package to the one I proposed. Green, although much older, isn't that far behind Trouba production wise. He too will likely be gone after next season, but they add a high end prospect and a high pick. Again, I'm not sure if this is too much, or not enough to offer, but it seems at least somewhat fair from both teams' perspectives...

I’m just not super high on raddysh rather get like a John beecher or fagemo this draft through a Tampa pick if possible , just my opinion wtf do I know 

 

for me the goal is to win the cup , not interested in just making the playoffs so if we can keep our assets and land trouba in 2020 without giving anything up AND furthering our chances of getting a top 5 kid at the draft I’d rather do that (again we don’t know what’s going on behind closed doors but if trouba was interested yzerman would know , maybe I’m being naive but if I was trouba and wanted to come back to my hometown at this point with one year to go I’d tell them to just wait and keep getting better till I arrive )

I do realize yzerman can’t talk contract figures there’s no point but I’m sure he’s talked to his agent already and he’s aware or not if trouba wants to be a redwing whether it be now or next summer , there’s always talks going on behind closed doors with agents and other teams even though they “aren’t allowed”

No I know you didn’t say that but I’m just saying cause a lot of posts I’ve seen around everyone’s panicking he’ll get dealt and sign elsewhere, who’s to say he will? My thought is let him be traded and wait a year k I just wanna keep doing what we’re doing and head in the right direction

i mean if this was 21 yr old trouba different story but at this stage with one year to go I’d rather just wait it out and not pay a heavy price. Ummmm well I don’t know what the cost would be but assuming the jets trade trouba they’d need d help right?if I’m them I’m asking for hronek and If im yzerman I’m hanging up, maybe after that they’d ask for dekeyser cause he’s locked up or maybe that’s my wishful thinking but ask for bonus picks and good prospect(s) .... if they decide to go with a forward AA or mantha ?dont think at this stage they’d be interested in Rasmussen 

 

maybe, or maybe they just say f*** it and try and win the cup next season?could be a possibility, green is older like you mentioned but also a ufa in a year so I don’t think they’d have much interest  plus he’s had a history of injuries last few years , really think they’d ask for hronek first 

 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

I know the meme is rAsMUssEn iS a NeT fROnt SPeCiaLisT, but to argue the opposite of the point I did with Zadina; it's too soon to tell.

I wouldn't trade either Zadina or Ras for anyone really (realistically)

I think Zadina tops out as a 60-70 pt sniper winger who will be average defensively

I think Rasmussen tops out as a 60 pt center who will be a monster defensively. The center you roll against other teams top lines, like a Kesler or a Dubinsky. And at 6'6" 225 lbs he could be extremely dominant in that roll. Add his net front presence on the PP and you've got a possibly extremely valuable player one day.

The only wrench in that plan for Ras is if AA or Veleno take clearly over the 2C spot. If that's the case I think he moves to Wing and becomes the forechecking power forward that Mantha doesn't like to be.

I do think Rasmussen is a net front specialist, but that's not a bad thing. He's a beast in front of the net, and that is very valuable to any team. My argument when he was drafted, was that we could have gotten that type of player later in the draft. Regardless, I'm a Ras fan, and I'm not advocating trading him for just any player. But if we could trade him in a package for a legit top pairing defenseman (Trouba), I do it in a heartbeat.

Not to get back into the Zadina debate, but I think 60-70 points is likely where he ends up, but I'd put his ceiling a little higher. I think 60 points could be Rasmussen's ceiling, likely a 40-50 point guy, which is solid production. I also don't think he has the foot speed to be a top six center in today's NHL. We have Larkin, Athanasiou and Veleno better suited for that role in my opinion.

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1 minute ago, krsmith17 said:

I do think Rasmussen is a net front specialist, but that's not a bad thing. He's a beast in front of the net, and that is very valuable to any team. My argument when he was drafted, was that we could have gotten that type of player later in the draft. Regardless, I'm a Ras fan, and I'm not advocating trading him for just any player. But if we could trade him in a package for a legit top pairing defenseman (Trouba), I do it in a heartbeat.

Not to get back into the Zadina debate, but I think 60-70 points is likely where he ends up, but I'd put his ceiling a little higher. I think 60 points could be Rasmussen's ceiling, likely a 40-50 point guy, which is solid production. I also don't think he has the foot speed to be a top six center in today's NHL. We have Larkin, Athanasiou and Veleno better suited for that role in my opinion.

Trouba is good no doubt. But I'd rather let him hit UFA, especially since we supposedly have the inside track what with him being a Michigan homebody.

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20 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

I’m just not super high on raddysh rather get like a John beecher or fagemo this draft through a Tampa pick if possible , just my opinion wtf do I know 

You don't have to be super high on Raddysh. Like I said, I've cooled expectations on him, but he will be an NHL player, and that's more you can say for most late 2nd round picks. Beecher and Fagemo are 2019 draft eligible. Tampa don't have a 2019 2nd round pick. You mentioned trading for their 2020 2nd round pick...

26 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

for me the goal is to win the cup , not interested in just making the playoffs so if we can keep our assets and land trouba in 2020 without giving anything up AND furthering our chances of getting a top 5 kid at the draft I’d rather do that

Again, I'm not against waiting, but there's no guarantee that Trouba will be available in 2020. If we knew for sure, we obviously wait, if we don't know for sure (we don't), he would be worth the assets to acquire him. Top pair defensemen in their prime don't come around very often. If you can acquire one, you do it.

I agree that if they're asking Hronek or Mantha, it's a no. That is probably where they start, but I think they would come down from that, because again, they know that Trouba is all but gone at this point. They need to get whatever they can for a player that isn't interested in signing long-term.

10 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Trouba is good no doubt. But I'd rather let him hit UFA, especially since we supposedly have the inside track what with him being a Michigan homebody.

I don't disagree, and maybe Rasmussen would be too high of a price to pay, but I'd definitely give Cheveldayoff a call.

I really do think Trouba will be a Red Wing at some point. Going to be interesting when and how he's acquired...

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52 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

I don't disagree, and maybe Rasmussen would be too high of a price to pay, but I'd definitely give Cheveldayoff a call.

I really do think Trouba will be a Red Wing at some point. Going to be interesting when and how he's acquired...

I'm fairly content with Cholowski, Hronek, McIssac as the future of the blueline. At least one other prospect will probably squeak on to the blueline in the near future as well.

If Yzerman can add Byram at the draft that'd be pretty huge. I'd prefer that than trading for Trouba, who I suspect the Jets will want a kings ransom for.

13 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Ya your right but also seen people mentioning tampa’s 27 and us giving like a late second (I’d do it for our early 3rd)  as for raddysh being a player , ya probably but I also think we got good chances of veleno,Berggren,zadina and hopefully Rasmussen and others so i don’t know if I’d be  trying so hard to add maybe a 3rd liner? Don’t know if that’s fair , I’d rather take a gamble and draft someone who can turn out to be a 2nd round steal and be a top guy at this stage

Yeah I'd rather gamble at the draft than obtain Raddysh

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42 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Ya your right but also seen people mentioning tampa’s 27 and us giving like a late second (I’d do it for our early 3rd) 

I'd do that trade in a heartbeat. That was my original trade proposal a few weeks ago. Some thought Tampa wouldn't part with a 1st round pick. Now people are saying that Raddysh wouldn't be enough...

45 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

as for raddysh being a player , ya probably but I also think we got good chances of veleno,Berggren,zadina and hopefully Rasmussen and others so i don’t know if I’d be  trying so hard to add maybe a 3rd liner? Don’t know if that’s fair , I’d rather take a gamble and draft someone who can turn out to be a 2nd round steal and be a top guy at this stage 

I still think Raddysh has top six upside, but he may top out as a 3rd line winger. But you still need those guys, and that 2nd round pick would be exactly that, a gamble. Again, I take the sure thing, but that's just me.

27 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

I'm fairly content with Cholowski, Hronek, McIssac as the future of the blueline. At least one other prospect will probably squeak on to the blueline in the near future as well.

If Yzerman can add Byram at the draft that'd be pretty huge. I'd prefer that than trading for Trouba, who I suspect the Jets will want a kings ransom for.

I'm high on Hronek, Cholowski and McIsaac, but I still think we need to add another top pair defenseman to that group. The only one that has Trouba level upside in my opinion, is Hronek. I'm okay with waiting it out, but I'd also be okay with going after him in a trade, depending on what we'd have to give up.

If Byram somehow falls to us, that would be amazing. I just don't see any possibility of that happening...

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27 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

I'd do that trade in a heartbeat. That was my original trade proposal a few weeks ago. Some thought Tampa wouldn't part with a 1st round pick. Now people are saying that Raddysh wouldn't be enough...

I still think Raddysh has top six upside, but he may top out as a 3rd line winger. But you still need those guys, and that 2nd round pick would be exactly that, a gamble. Again, I take the sure thing, but that's just me.

I'm high on Hronek, Cholowski and McIsaac, but I still think we need to add another top pair defenseman to that group. The only one that has Trouba level upside in my opinion, is Hronek. I'm okay with waiting it out, but I'd also be okay with going after him in a trade, depending on what we'd have to give up.

If Byram somehow falls to us, that would be amazing. I just don't see any possibility of that happening...

Your right but I just think we have a ton of forwards coming up already That I mentioned , who knows what happens with that Slovak kid I seen some of you guys mention we got,  plus this years 6th and who knows who else we draft later , I’d rather get the pick and try and land a top forward or d guess that’s just the gambler in me haha , I just wanna keep stockpiling picks man and get more cracks , trade for Callahan get some picks, eat salary and get more picks , trade Daley for a pick , just keep at it ... 2019 and 2020 drafts are going to be essential in the wings rebuild 

and ya I’d love byram but can’t see it happening , right now for me it’s podkolzin (not scared of his drop) turcotte and zegras , we land one of those 3 I’ll be happy , try and land some d’s in the second and later picks

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A 25 yo RH top pair D is exactly the kind of player a rebuilding team acquires. I would rather have that than a bunch of 18 yo D prospects who may not turn out.

If Winnipeg is looking for top 4 D in return, than the Wings dont have that. I dont know why that would be a demand when a team trading for Trouba more than likely has a D need already. 

If the Wings want him, they're probably going to have to overpay on the Forward side. I would be ok with trading Moose, but I think the Jets will be wanting one of Hronek, Cholowski, or McIsaac included in that deal. I would rather see Yzerman go high with his F offer (AA) , and include a lesser D prospect going back.

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2 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

You don't have to be super high on Raddysh. Like I said, I've cooled expectations on him, but he will be an NHL player, and that's more you can say for most late 2nd round picks. Beecher and Fagemo are 2019 draft eligible. Tampa don't have a 2019 2nd round pick. You mentioned trading for their 2020 2nd round pick...

Again, I'm not against waiting, but there's no guarantee that Trouba will be available in 2020. If we knew for sure, we obviously wait, if we don't know for sure (we don't), he would be worth the assets to acquire him. Top pair defensemen in their prime don't come around very often. If you can acquire one, you do it.

I agree that if they're asking Hronek or Mantha, it's a no. That is probably where they start, but I think they would come down from that, because again, they know that Trouba is all but gone at this point. They need to get whatever they can for a player that isn't interested in signing long-term.

I don't disagree, and maybe Rasmussen would be too high of a price to pay, but I'd definitely give Cheveldayoff a call.

I really do think Trouba will be a Red Wing at some point. Going to be interesting when and how he's acquired...

As CRL pointed out that when taking Trouba's negotiations/contracts into account - he apparently does not want to stay in Winnipeg...My only concern is how much more 'mileage' will get added to his odometer when he becomes a UFA?

Karlsson 2 years ago was every GMs wet dream...Not so much anymore, but I'm certain 2, or 3 will offer him exactly what he wants...Then in a few years they'll regret that signing.

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Winnipeg can't ask for a player who is going to demand $6M in a year. They need to re-sign Myers and Laine will get Eichel money. They need a player or players on ELC's that, when due, will more than likely sign a nice bridge deal. Rasmussen, Saarjarvi, Lindstrom, etc...

I'd gladly trade Ras, Lindstrom, pick for Trouba....

....but now who do I trade to EDM for RNH?

Mantha and AA will both get $5M-$6M next contract, and we can afford to pay them that, even with giving Trouba $8M, so no need to trade them.

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2 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

Winnipeg can't ask for a player who is going to demand $6M in a year. They need to re-sign Myers and Laine will get Eichel money. They need a player or players on ELC's that, when due, will more than likely sign a nice bridge deal. Rasmussen, Saarjarvi, Lindstrom, etc...

I'd gladly trade Ras, Lindstrom, pick for Trouba....

....but now who do I trade to EDM for RNH?

Mantha and AA will both get $5M-$6M next contract, and we can afford to pay them that, even with giving Trouba $8M, so no need to trade them.

Rasmusssen needs to get his PENIS up, or he will be traded.