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4 hours ago, Dabura said:

Watch in horror as all the marqee UFAs re-sign with their respective teams and  "Summer of Stevie" slowly descends into "Summer of Cirrhosis" ? 

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No Ericsson, Daley, Green is going to be a good thing anyway you look at it. 

There aren't a lot of "quality" UFA out there.  Could this be another year to where we are going to rely heavily on our development and progress of the yoots over high end UFA signings?

The obvious is a top D of of course. Lets say neither re-sign in New York or Boston, who do you focus on, Trouba or Krug?  I am not saying that Yzerman is even going to go after them, he may be very satisfied with Hronek, Cholowski, Seider as his top guys moving forward.  At forward, the top guys are going to cost a ton, RNH, Galchenyuk, etc... G is very dull, Lehner is the "big" name, but that means he will probably get too much money.  I don't like Howard, but just give him another 1 year deal and focus on our farm.  Also, we would have to make some big strides forward in order to become attractive to top UFA's, and that would mean missing out on a possible top 10 pick (maybe #1.)

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Realistically who’s going to want to come here in 2020 with the way this team currently is at ?ill be happy at this point if we finally trade green for high picks and never see him again

if we get anyone I hope it’ll be for 1-2 year deals with where we are I know some people want Krug but I wouldn’t want him for 7 years 

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1 hour ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Realistically who’s going to want to come here in 2020 with the way this team currently is at ?ill be happy at this point if we finally trade green for high picks and never see him again

if we get anyone I hope it’ll be for 1-2 year deals with where we are I know some people want Krug but I wouldn’t want him for 7 years 

I truly dont believe that NHL players look at this roster as negatively as some fans do. Anytime you watch an unbiased analyst talk about the Wings, they always praise the young core this team has, and reference them as a team on the rise. Lets take Trouba for example, if he hits UFA and you are willing to pay the guy, I have zero doubt that he would be willing to come here.

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I assume next year Yzerman will be in rebuild the D mode. We have almost no UFA forwards, and my guess is Howard will be back again on a cheaper contract depending on the year.

Defense will have: Hronek, Cholowski, Dekeyser, Nemeth, Bowey
Possibly also: Green, Kaski, another emerging prospect like Seider or Lindstrom

If Green is gone then we basically only have Hronek, Cholo, and DK as top 4 capable Dmen . And DK barely makes that list and Cholo is still super unproven. I see real need to add one or two steady Dmen.

The two obvious big names that would be cool to add would be Trouba and Krug. Other than that I have no idea who will actually become available; it's too early.

Krug - Trouba
Cholowski - Hronek
Dekeyser - Bowey/Nemeth/Kaski/Seider/Lindstrom
 

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I think Jacob Markstrom is a solid goalie. He has put decent numbers on a weak VAN team. Should be even better this year. I am not sold on Lehner outside of a Barry Trotz system. Should be a cheaper than Lehner.

Krug would be nice, great offensive mind on the back-end that we just don't have. I think you need at least one guy like that. Knowing some BOS  fans over the years, they seem to have a love-hate relationship with him. Because of his defensive laps. But hes a PP beast and a performs in the playoffs.

If we just don't resign some dead weight or trade it and signed Markstrom, I think I would be happy with that off-season. 

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21 hours ago, derblaueClaus said:

:lol:

If Howard ends his career and if Lehner is still available and if we can get him that would be huge. But many many if in that sentence. As to be expected when you talk about an offseason that is still a year away. ;)

This offseason is soul-suckingly boring. I need rosterbation material or I'm gonna go stir-crazy. :crybaby:

17 hours ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Watch in horror as all the marqee UFAs re-sign with their respective teams and  "Summer of Stevie" slowly descends into "Summer of Cirrhosis" ?

It has been foretold.

4 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

No Ericsson, Daley, Green is going to be a good thing anyway you look at it. 

There aren't a lot of "quality" UFA out there.  Could this be another year to where we are going to rely heavily on our development and progress of the yoots over high end UFA signings?

The obvious is a top D of of course. Lets say neither re-sign in New York or Boston, who do you focus on, Trouba or Krug?  I am not saying that Yzerman is even going to go after them, he may be very satisfied with Hronek, Cholowski, Seider as his top guys moving forward.  At forward, the top guys are going to cost a ton, RNH, Galchenyuk, etc... G is very dull, Lehner is the "big" name, but that means he will probably get too much money.  I don't like Howard, but just give him another 1 year deal and focus on our farm.  Also, we would have to make some big strides forward in order to become attractive to top UFA's, and that would mean missing out on a possible top 10 pick (maybe #1.)

Yeah, it's not an especially exciting UFA class. :( And Yzerman doesn't have a history of making big splashes in free agency. And we're probably going to end the season as a basement team. So...yeah. Maybe we'll have a lot of cap space, and maybe that leads to some big happenings. We'll see!

I think it's safe to assume Daley and Ericsson will be gone. I wouldn't rule out Green just yet, though I'm leaning towards "Won't be back."

I'm assuming Trouba re-signs with the Rangers, but it's entirely possible he continues his Sherman's March to Free Agency. I'm not keen on signing Krug to a long-term deal, but he's a hometown guy who likes the Wings so maybe we could get him on a hometown discount. (Not bloody likely, but ya never know.)

Howard will sign a twelve-year extension, because he's already been with us for a decade so we might as well make it two decades.

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3 hours ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Realistically who’s going to want to come here in 2020 with the way this team currently is at ?ill be happy at this point if we finally trade green for high picks and never see him again

if we get anyone I hope it’ll be for 1-2 year deals with where we are I know some people want Krug but I wouldn’t want him for 7 years 

2 hours ago, kliq said:

I truly dont believe that NHL players look at this roster as negatively as some fans do. Anytime you watch an unbiased analyst talk about the Wings, they always praise the young core this team has, and reference them as a team on the rise. Lets take Trouba for example, if he hits UFA and you are willing to pay the guy, I have zero doubt that he would be willing to come here.

I view the whole "(un)attractive UFA destination" thing as sort of a chicken-or-the-egg black box. If an up-and-coming team goes on a deep playoff run and then they sign a couple of big-name UFAs in the summer, is that a sign that top players generally view that team as a very attractive destination...or is it simply the result of the GM aggressively pursuing big names because he believes he's opened up a Cup window? The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

That being said...I doubt the Wings are widely regarded as a very hot destination right now, but, at the same time, I think the biggest obstacle (if you want to call it that) to us signing big names is a simple lack of appetite on our end. Could we have signed Matt Duchene? Maybe. Would signing Matt Duchene have been a smart move? Probably not.

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2 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

I assume next year Yzerman will be in rebuild the D mode. We have almost no UFA forwards, and my guess is Howard will be back again on a cheaper contract depending on the year.

Defense will have: Hronek, Cholowski, Dekeyser, Nemeth, Bowey
Possibly also: Green, Kaski, another emerging prospect like Seider or Lindstrom

If Green is gone then we basically only have Hronek, Cholo, and DK as top 4 capable Dmen . And DK barely makes that list and Cholo is still super unproven. I see real need to add one or two steady Dmen.

The two obvious big names that would be cool to add would be Trouba and Krug. Other than that I have no idea who will actually become available; it's too early.

Krug - Trouba
Cholowski - Hronek
Dekeyser - Bowey/Nemeth/Kaski/Seider/Lindstrom
 

Yeah, I've been playing around with some possible looks for our D and the recurring theme is "Hope the kids take quantum leaps forward, or else we're going to need to bring in some stabilizing veteran help." That, and "I have absolutely no idea what we have in Oliwer Kaski and it's both exciting and frustrating."

The only concern I have with a 29-year-old guy like Krug is that the kids probably will be ready to drive the bus soon enough, just not within the next year. So, you could be signing a 29-year-old Krug for 5+ years and a lot of money just as the kids are starting to take over. Could be that two or three years into his deal it becomes clear that we didn't really need to sign a past-his-prime power play specialist to a big deal. Admittedly tho, that's nitpicking. You can never have too much depth, especially on D.

...Still, I'd prefer Trouba. He's young enough that he fits with our rebuild timeline -- and it's probably fair to say he's more of an Yzerman guy, i.e. a big-bodied mobile defenseman who can log big minutes. Trouba probably doesn't give us that elusive 1D, but I do think signing him would be a big step forward for the rebuild and organization. Krug, maybe not so much.

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2 hours ago, xault said:

I think Jacob Markstrom is a solid goalie. He has put decent numbers on a weak VAN team. Should be even better this year. I am not sold on Lehner outside of a Barry Trotz system. Should be a cheaper than Lehner.

His last four seasons (all with VAN):

  • 2015-16 -- .915 (33 GP)
  • 2016-17 -- .910 (26 GP)
  • 2017-18 -- .912 (60 GP)
  • 2018-19 -- .912 (60 GP)

I'll take it.

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4 hours ago, kliq said:

I truly dont believe that NHL players look at this roster as negatively as some fans do. Anytime you watch an unbiased analyst talk about the Wings, they always praise the young core this team has, and reference them as a team on the rise. Lets take Trouba for example, if he hits UFA and you are willing to pay the guy, I have zero doubt that he would be willing to come here.

You really think a Panarin type free agent would come here ? Cause I think there’s a 0% chance at the moment , you can talk about young core coming but facts are were not a playoff team so we won’t be attracting front tier guys , it sucks but it’s simple as that 

I was the one always saying wait for Trouba for 2020 the most instead of giving up assets with all the rumours of him wanting to come back to his hometown ,he was the guy we had the shot with but looks like wifey might have other plans , outside that unless you want to go give someone like Jake Gardner 35 million for 5 years those are the types of guys we’d be landing 

id say Taylor hall wouldn’t even look here for a second in 2020 unless you wanna throw him 12.5 x8  type of an offer, same with josi if he was available ... we can probably get the galchenyuks if we throw like 30 mill x 5 

anyways just keep rebuilding properly , but yes hopefully Trouba tells his wife to be a good little girl and study in Detroit 

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If a surprise 2020 postseason berth isn't in the cards, I guess I'd hope for the kind of good fortune the Rangers have had lately. They had a pretty decent thing going with their rebuild/retool, but it wasn't anything special. Larkin and Zibanejad had nearly identical 2018-19 stat lines. If Brady Skjei is a future 1D, so is Hronek. The long-term outlook in net was and remains up in the air.

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What changed: They lucked into Kakko and overpaid a marquee UFA who'd been credibly linked to them for months. All of a sudden, they're relevant again.

I guess the DRW equivalent would be lucking into [insert undisputed #2 kid in the 2020 draft, let's say Lucas Raymond] and signing Trouba -- on top of having shed some more veterans and having seen significant growth in key young players. I'd also like to see us land Gusev this summer.

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40 minutes ago, Dabura said:

If a surprise 2020 postseason berth isn't in the cards, I guess I'd hope for the kind of good fortune the Rangers have had lately. They had a pretty decent thing going with their rebuild/retool, but it wasn't anything special. Larkin and Zibanejad had nearly identical 2018-19 stat lines. If Brady Skjei is a future 1D, so is Hronek. The long-term outlook in net was and remains up in the air.

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What changed: They lucked into Kakko and overpaid a marquee UFA who'd been credibly linked to them for months. All of a sudden, they're relevant again.

I guess the DRW equivalent would be lucking into [insert undisputed #2 kid in the 2020 draft, let's say Lucas Raymond] and signing Trouba -- on top of having shed some more veterans and having seen significant growth in key young players. I'd also like to see us land Gusev this summer.

I miss your hype

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8 hours ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

You really think a Panarin type free agent would come here ? Cause I think there’s a 0% chance at the moment , you can talk about young core coming but facts are were not a playoff team so we won’t be attracting front tier guys , it sucks but it’s simple as that 

I was the one always saying wait for Trouba for 2020 the most instead of giving up assets with all the rumours of him wanting to come back to his hometown ,he was the guy we had the shot with but looks like wifey might have other plans , outside that unless you want to go give someone like Jake Gardner 35 million for 5 years those are the types of guys we’d be landing 

id say Taylor hall wouldn’t even look here for a second in 2020 unless you wanna throw him 12.5 x8  type of an offer, same with josi if he was available ... we can probably get the galchenyuks if we throw like 30 mill x 5 

anyways just keep rebuilding properly , but yes hopefully Trouba tells his wife to be a good little girl and study in Detroit 

To answer your question in the bold, 100% yes I do. I believe that hockey players are motivated by different things.

Some players simply want to win and will only go to a team that is in "win now" mode. Will those players come here right now? No, but lets not pretend that every player is motivated by this and this only.

Some players are motivated by family (ie. Suter/Minny), and if there is a player who grew up close to Detroit and wants to "come home", do I think that player would sign here? Yes.

Some players are motivated by money, they dont care about anything else. To be honest, this is what I believe motivated Panarin. Guy went to a Rangers team that is pretty much in the same boat as us. Sure there is some buzz right now, but if we are talking pre July 1st, landing Kakko and acquiring Trouba for one year doesn't make you a playoff team. Rangers didn't get Panarin because they look like a team on the rise, they got him because they made the 17th(ish) best player in hockey, the #2 highest paid player. Do I think we could sign a guy who only cares about money if we threw the bank at him? Yes. (though you admit that).

Some players are motivated by history/ownership/management etc. At the end of the day the Detroit Red WIngs are the second most successful franchise of all time, and the most successful franchise of the past 25 years. A lot of current player were likely fans of the Wings growing up, and you hear over and over again that "wearing the winged wheel" matters to certain guys. Then when you throw in the fact that we are now being run by quite possibly the most respected GM in the business, we have a leg up in this category. Now do some guys give 2 s***s about this, sure. But do I think some big names could sign here for this reason? Yes.

Your "0% chance" statement is 100% wrong because neither you or I have a clue of what motivates any particular player. I just listed a few motivators, but there are still many more. Everyone is different, but I do believe that if we made a legitimate push for a UFA, we have a chance, I would even argue a strong chance. 

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I'm not overly concerned about our attractiveness in 2020.

We'll have a solid young forward group
Money to spend on improving the D
And an aging goalie group

All it would take really is giving one or two good Dmen the payday they want and Howard at least holding up or Larsson emerging for us to suddenly be a decent looking team again.

I think a smart Dman would look at our team and think: "I could be on an original 6 team and immediately be one of their most important players who could entirely reverse their fortunes" I think Mike Green probably thought this to some extent when originally joining us.

Not to mention players knows that the team is in the hands of Yzerman now.

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6 hours ago, kliq said:

To answer your question in the bold, 100% yes I do. I believe that hockey players are motivated by different things.

Some players simply want to win and will only go to a team that is in "win now" mode. Will those players come here right now? No, but lets not pretend that every player is motivated by this and this only.

Some players are motivated by family (ie. Suter/Minny), and if there is a player who grew up close to Detroit and wants to "come home", do I think that player would sign here? Yes.

Some players are motivated by money, they dont care about anything else. To be honest, this is what I believe motivated Panarin. Guy went to a Rangers team that is pretty much in the same boat as us. Sure there is some buzz right now, but if we are talking pre July 1st, landing Kakko and acquiring Trouba for one year doesn't make you a playoff team. Rangers didn't get Panarin because they look like a team on the rise, they got him because they made the 17th(ish) best player in hockey, the #2 highest paid player. Do I think we could sign a guy who only cares about money if we threw the bank at him? Yes. (though you admit that).

Some players are motivated by history/ownership/management etc. At the end of the day the Detroit Red WIngs are the second most successful franchise of all time, and the most successful franchise of the past 25 years. A lot of current player were likely fans of the Wings growing up, and you hear over and over again that "wearing the winged wheel" matters to certain guys. Then when you throw in the fact that we are now being run by quite possibly the most respected GM in the business, we have a leg up in this category. Now do some guys give 2 s***s about this, sure. But do I think some big names could sign here for this reason? Yes.

Your "0% chance" statement is 100% wrong because neither you or I have a clue of what motivates any particular player. I just listed a few motivators, but there are still many more. Everyone is different, but I do believe that if we made a legitimate push for a UFA, we have a chance, I would even argue a strong chance. 

Well then I guess we 100% disagree ... I said top nhl stars like a Panarin this year or hall next not the ryan dzingel’s or Jake Gardner’s of free agency ... if you want to sign guys that aren’t motivated to win now you’ll end up more likely with guys that just want the money and those guys cup winning resumes never end up looking well 

 

I mentioned Trouba as coming home all year in 2020 as a certainty based on all the rumours , not so sure now so never disagreed hometown kids wouldn’t want to come 

rangers rebuild is also well ahead of us ,stacked full of promising Russians so I’m sure he’ll feel at home and everybody knows on top of that New York is one of the best cities in the world so that will always motivate people to sign there 

were talking about today , second best franchise crap doesn’t cut it nowadays look at the habs #1 by a landslide and they haven’t been able to attract top stars in forever ... as soon as we start getting in the playoffs yearly and kids are producing then I believe they might come ,not now ....  we landed filppula and Nemeth this year incase you didn’t notice and I don’t see us landing stars in 2020 cause I don’t anticipate us being even remotely close to a playoff spot with our d and bottom 2 lines , I’d say Krug is the only shot but that would only happen if the bruins don’t wanna give him big money which means we’d have to and I wouldn’t want to give Krug  say 7x7

anyways I do think we’re headed In the right direction though 

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Here are the D from the link provided above:  (apologies to cell phone viewers)

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Players that would make this team better (disregarding salary)

Pietrangelo

Shultz

Krug

Bogosian

Vatanen

Faulk

Muzzin

Hamonic

Note that Trouba is not in the linked list because he is an RFA today and his UFA status rests on the length of his next contract.  But obviously if he became UFA he would be an upgrade.

 I was thinking that if we don't get a shot at Krug or Trouba, someone like Hamonic, Faulk or Vatanen could be a very viable option to lead our D for a few years. They would probably settle for a 2-4 year contract instead of 7, and probably nowhere near top dollars.

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3 hours ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Well then I guess we 100% disagree ... I said top nhl stars like a Panarin this year or hall next not the ryan dzingel’s or Jake Gardner’s of free agency ... if you want to sign guys that aren’t motivated to win now you’ll end up more likely with guys that just want the money and those guys cup winning resumes never end up looking well 

 

I mentioned Trouba as coming home all year in 2020 as a certainty based on all the rumours , not so sure now so never disagreed hometown kids wouldn’t want to come 

rangers rebuild is also well ahead of us ,stacked full of promising Russians so I’m sure he’ll feel at home and everybody knows on top of that New York is one of the best cities in the world so that will always motivate people to sign there 

were talking about today , second best franchise crap doesn’t cut it nowadays look at the habs #1 by a landslide and they haven’t been able to attract top stars in forever ... as soon as we start getting in the playoffs yearly and kids are producing then I believe they might come ,not now ....  we landed filppula and Nemeth this year incase you didn’t notice and I don’t see us landing stars in 2020 cause I don’t anticipate us being even remotely close to a playoff spot with our d and bottom 2 lines , I’d say Krug is the only shot but that would only happen if the bruins don’t wanna give him big money which means we’d have to and I wouldn’t want to give Krug  say 7x7

anyways I do think we’re headed In the right direction though 

First Bold: I'm also taking guys like Panarin as well, I dont want the Gardner's of the world either. Paranin signing with the Rangers is a perfect example of that.

Second Bold: You sure you aren't buying into the hype? What kids do they have that look better then Larkin, AA, Mantha, and Zadina? They have Kakko and who?

Third Bold: I was quite clear that I was not talking about every player, to dismiss this notion across the board is simply incorrect. The Habs are the most successful franchise is history, but the generation playing now never saw the Habs as a powerhouse considering they haven't been true contenders since 1993.

Forth Bold: If Yzermans wants to make a splash, I think he will. The real question is does he want to overpay in free agency. Even in TB, Yzerman mostly developed and traded, he didnt make many massive UFA signings. 

I get it, you are very down on this roster. What you need to realize is just because you feel this way, doesn't mean every player in the NHL shares your opinion. And for the record, I'm no saying every player shares mine either.

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1 hour ago, kliq said:

First Bold: I'm also taking guys like Panarin as well, I dont want the Gardner's of the world either. Paranin signing with the Rangers is a perfect example of that.

Second Bold: You sure you aren't buying into the hype? What kids do they have that look better then Larkin, AA, Mantha, and Zadina? They have Kakko and who?

Third Bold: I was quite clear that I was not talking about every player, to dismiss this notion across the board is simply incorrect. The Habs are the most successful franchise is history, but the generation playing now never saw the Habs as a powerhouse considering they haven't been true contenders since 1993.

Forth Bold: If Yzermans wants to make a splash, I think he will. The real question is does he want to overpay in free agency. Even in TB, Yzerman mostly developed and traded, he didnt make many massive UFA signings. 

I get it, you are very down on this roster. What you need to realize is just because you feel this way, doesn't mean every player in the NHL shares your opinion. And for the record, I'm no saying every player shares mine either.

Again , New York City is one of the best city’s in the world so it’s not the same imo + he’s got countless Russians coming 

Hype? Like I wanna say rangers have better prospects coming up than us , kakko is the obvious , kravtsov is gonna be a stud , the Russian goalie shestyorkin seems to be the real deal , k Miller looks real good , just added fox as well as Trouba so that back end alone destroys the wings d core

everyone knows they have 24 cups , star players want to win now there not gonna be like I remember wings glory from 97-02 and go there now when we’re a bottom team , it’s nice to be optimistic but I’m trying to be realistic 

yzerman cant force star players to come here unless we sign a 10 mill guy to like 12.5 longterm, I don’t think  He’ll sign many big guys cause I just don’t think theyd wanna come at this time but I can definetly see yzerman making big trades when the right time arrives , I’ve been saying for the longest time how I think AA will be moved eventually 

again, I’m trying to be realistic our 3rd and fourth lines aren’t good and our d core is horrendous and add to that we have an aging goalie so yes I do believe the star players won’t come here and  incase you haven’t noticed we haven’t attracted squat in along time .... Weiss ,green,Richards,tootoo And god knows who else , those are the ones that come to mind ... again no stars , it is what it is .... when we’re among the best we got hull and robitaille , when we start winning again then they’ll come 

 

3 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

Here are the D from the link provided above:  (apologies to cell phone viewers)

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Players that would make this team better (disregarding salary)

Pietrangelo

Shultz

Krug

Bogosian

Vatanen

Faulk

Muzzin

Hamonic

Note that Trouba is not in the linked list because he is an RFA today and his UFA status rests on the length of his next contract.  But obviously if he became UFA he would be an upgrade.

 I was thinking that if we don't get a shot at Krug or Trouba, someone like Hamonic, Faulk or Vatanen could be a very viable option to lead our D for a few years. They would probably settle for a 2-4 year contract instead of 7, and probably nowhere near top dollars.

Theres nothing there worth going nuts over , after winning a cup I suspect the blues will resign pietrangelo ... Barrie already said he wants like 8 per and probably x7 years and not a fan of giving Krug 7 years as well ... Trouba would have been the perfect fit 

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4 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

Here are the D from the link provided above:  (apologies to cell phone viewers)

Players that would make this team better (disregarding salary)

Pietrangelo

Shultz

Krug

Bogosian

Vatanen

Faulk

Muzzin

Hamonic

Note that Trouba is not in the linked list because he is an RFA today and his UFA status rests on the length of his next contract.  But obviously if he became UFA he would be an upgrade.

 I was thinking that if we don't get a shot at Krug or Trouba, someone like Hamonic, Faulk or Vatanen could be a very viable option to lead our D for a few years. They would probably settle for a 2-4 year contract instead of 7, and probably nowhere near top dollars.

I'd pass on Bogosian, Hamonic, and Schultz. Bogo and Hamonic have been overrated for years and I don't think they''d move the needle for us significantly at all. It'd be like adding another Dekeyser. I'd rather just save the money.

Schultz is decent if you shelter him. I don't think we are in any position to be sheltering Dmen. For that reason, I'm out.

I would add Barrie, Brodie, and Gudas to your list. I actually think Gudas is underrated defensively and it gets overlooked because of all his big hits and thugishness.

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2 hours ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Again , New York City is one of the best city’s in the world so it’s not the same imo + he’s got countless Russians coming 

Hype? Like I wanna say rangers have better prospects coming up than us , kakko is the obvious , kravtsov is gonna be a stud , the Russian goalie shestyorkin seems to be the real deal , k Miller looks real good , just added fox as well as Trouba so that back end alone destroys the wings d core

everyone knows they have 24 cups , star players want to win now there not gonna be like I remember wings glory from 97-02 and go there now when we’re a bottom team , it’s nice to be optimistic but I’m trying to be realistic 

yzerman cant force star players to come here unless we sign a 10 mill guy to like 12.5 longterm, I don’t think  He’ll sign many big guys cause I just don’t think theyd wanna come at this time but I can definetly see yzerman making big trades when the right time arrives , I’ve been saying for the longest time how I think AA will be moved eventually 

again, I’m trying to be realistic our 3rd and fourth lines aren’t good and our d core is horrendous and add to that we have an aging goalie so yes I do believe the star players won’t come here and  incase you haven’t noticed we haven’t attracted squat in along time .... Weiss ,green,Richards,tootoo And god knows who else , those are the ones that come to mind ... again no stars , it is what it is .... when we’re among the best we got hull and robitaille , when we start winning again then they’ll come 

Theres nothing there worth going nuts over , after winning a cup I suspect the blues will resign pietrangelo ... Barrie already said he wants like 8 per and probably x7 years and not a fan of giving Krug 7 years as well ... Trouba would have been the perfect fit 

First Bold: Those prospects have never played an NHL game, there is nothing to indicate that they are better then Larkin, Mantha, AA, Zadina, etc. Also, you realize Trouba has not signed an extension yet...right? He filled for arbitration, I am not sure why you are talking as if he has already signed a long term deal.

Second Bold: Truthfully, there is nothing realistic about your posts, you are overly pessimistic. Saying things like "Trouba would have been the perfect fit " and " You really think a Panarin type free agent would come here ? Cause I think there’s a 0% chance at the moment" are not "realistic" comments. You want realistic, read my posts. Optimistic would be saying "UFA will come here" Guarantee we sign Trouba next year" etc. Realistic is what I am saying, that being that we have a chance due to the multiple variables that players take into consieration when choosing a team to sign with. If you are under the impression that i am saying we are the favourites to land a top UFA, then you misunderstood me, because all I am saying is that we have a chance and that I believe if Yzerman really tried, he probably could (not definetely could). 

Third Bold: Define a "star"? Outside of JT and Panarin, name a "star" who has signed anywhere in free agency over the past 5 years. Here is a quick glance at free agency over the past few years:

2013: Top 5 UFA were Horton, Filppula, Clarkson, Riberio and Weiss. We signed Weiss, sure he busted, but who else here is a "star" Alfreddson was also a top UFA that year who the wings signed.

2014: The top UFA's were Stasny, Ryan Miller, and Vanek, none "stars"

2015: I remember watching TSN on July 1st and they had Mike Green ranked as their #1 UFA, We landed him. Would I consider Green a "star" ? no, but he was the best guy available that year and the Wings got him. 

2016: The top UFA's were Okposo, Backes, Lucic, Ladd, Ericsson, and Nielsen (Stamokos never hit UFA), none were stars and all of those guys were busts for what they were paid. 

2017 on the re-build started, so we never went for any. So to make it seem like stars dont want to come here is fan fiction.

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