krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted August 11, 2019 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,206 Report post Posted August 11, 2019 12 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: <br /> I'm a little surprised they have Seider being a full two years away. Maybe I'm totally misreading how close he is, just as I did with Zadina, but I'm really feeling like he's not quite that far away. I guess it could largely depend on where he plays this season. Also, Nielsen as our 4C? (See the embedded "31-in-31" video.) You gonna take that lying down, @DanishBackhander51?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,206 Report post Posted August 11, 2019 https://dobberprospects.com/august-31-in-31-detroit-red-wings-2/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ely s 457 Report post Posted August 12, 2019 https://www.nhl.com/news/2019-20-detroit-red-wings-season-preview/c-308451984?tid=290471364 https://www.nhl.com/news/2019-20-red-wings-breakdown-key-factors/c-308452286?tid=290471364 https://www.nhl.com/news/detroit-red-wings-prospect-watch/c-308451168?tid=290471364 https://www.nhl.com/news/2019-20-red-wings-numbers-stats-analysis/c-308455082?tid=290471364 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,936 Report post Posted August 12, 2019 I honestly believe Seider starts in GR this season. Hronek is here and when the inevitble injuries to Ericsson, Daley and Green happen, Cholowski and Seider will be getting the callups, but remember, Seider can only play 9 games so we don't burn one of his years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ely s 457 Report post Posted August 12, 2019 I don´t think they really care about "burning" one year if he a) plays well enough and b) if the opportunity is there. Again a lot of ifs, but if Seider and Cholo are the #1 pairing to start the season in GR and Seider performs well enough, he will be on the second pairing in Detroit and Hronek move up to the first when Green is traded at the TDL. During the DC 3on3 and 5on5 I sometimes had the impression that there was a man playing in junior competition and I truly believe he plays around 20 games in Detroit this year. I try to be as unhyped as possible, but he looks pretty ready to me. 3 Wings3:16, krsmith17 and amato reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted August 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, ely s said: I don´t think they really care about "burning" one year if he a) plays well enough and b) if the opportunity is there. Again a lot of ifs, but if Seider and Cholo are the #1 pairing to start the season in GR and Seider performs well enough, he will be on the second pairing in Detroit and Hronek move up to the first when Green is traded at the TDL. During the DC 3on3 and 5on5 I sometimes had the impression that there was a man playing in junior competition and I truly believe he plays around 20 games in Detroit this year. I try to be as unhyped as possible, but he looks pretty ready to me. I'm not sure about the 20 games in Detroit (I'd love to see it), but everything else I agree with. I'm hoping Cholowski and Seider are the top pairing in GR this season, while Hronek is ripping it up in Detroit. 1 amato reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted August 12, 2019 It's amazing that Hronek is like the only decent Dman we've drafted since Kronwall (year 2000). 16 years of not developing any Dmen can hurt one would think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted August 12, 2019 (edited) 30 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: It's amazing that Hronek is like the only decent Dman we've drafted since Kronwall (year 2000). 16 years of not developing any Dmen can hurt one would think. You don't think Cholowski or Seider are / will be "decent"? Edited August 12, 2019 by krsmith17 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted August 12, 2019 Just now, krsmith17 said: You don't think Cholowski or Seider are / will be "decent"? We will see on both. Hronek has already proved he's legit in my eyes. 2 nyqvististhefuture and krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted August 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: We will see on both. Hronek has already proved he's legit in my eyes. For sure. I just think top 4 defenseman constitutes "decent", and I'd be a little shocked if both aren't at least that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted August 12, 2019 39 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: You don't think Cholowski or Seider are / will be "decent"? We could be wrong on them but for the wings future we better not be , I think both will be top 4 guys though , seider will be given every opportunity to succeed and cholowski I think will be a Ppl guy and be a 30-45 pt guy at least ( or for our sake he’d better be ) hronek is a stud Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ely s 457 Report post Posted August 14, 2019 Craig Button said Seider will at least be a Brandon Carlo, so I´m fine with that. Seider is flying to Detroit today. Cholo was a little like Larkin in his first season. A real good start and then reality kicked in. He still looked very promising though. He just needs a bit more top pair minutes GR. Hopefully he will be in Detroit for good after the TDL. Hronek didn´t play well enough at the start of the season and was sent back to GR, where he really put the work and effort in to proof he belongs to the big club. Strong finish to the season and real good WC. He can develop behind Green on the second pairing and at the TDL move up to the first unit. I know a lot of people aren´t overly excited about this season, but I really am. We have so many exciting players in the pipes and it´s only 3 weeks till the Traverse City prospect tournament, where we get to see how much effort our youngsters have put in during the summer to make a case for themselves. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted August 14, 2019 1 hour ago, ely s said: Craig Button said Seider will at least be a Brandon Carlo, so I´m fine with that. Seider is flying to Detroit today. Craig Button also said that Dylan Larkin would be "Darren Helm with better scoring ability", so I'd take the Brandon Carlo comparison with a grain of salt. I personally think (hope) Seider will be a much better defenseman than Carlo. Not that Carlo is bad (and still has room to grow), I just have very high expectations for Seider... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,495 Report post Posted August 14, 2019 4 hours ago, ely s said: Craig Button said Seider will at least be a Brandon Carlo, so I´m fine with that. Seider is flying to Detroit today. Cholo was a little like Larkin in his first season. A real good start and then reality kicked in. He still looked very promising though. He just needs a bit more top pair minutes GR. Hopefully he will be in Detroit for good after the TDL. Hronek didn´t play well enough at the start of the season and was sent back to GR, where he really put the work and effort in to proof he belongs to the big club. Strong finish to the season and real good WC. He can develop behind Green on the second pairing and at the TDL move up to the first unit. I know a lot of people aren´t overly excited about this season, but I really am. We have so many exciting players in the pipes and it´s only 3 weeks till the Traverse City prospect tournament, where we get to see how much effort our youngsters have put in during the summer to make a case for themselves. If Seider ends up only being as good as Brandon Carlo then Steve Yzerman should be fired. You don't take "Brandon Carlo" types with the 6th overall pick. If he's not a Colton Paryako at least, and a Seth Jones at most, then it's a wasted pick in a crucial year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted August 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, kipwinger said: If Seider ends up only being as good as Brandon Carlo then Steve Yzerman should be fired. You don't take "Brandon Carlo" types with the 6th overall pick. If he's not a Colton Paryako at least, and a Seth Jones at most, then it's a wasted pick in a crucial year. Agreed on the Carlo comment. But Parayko? 28 pts in 80? 12 in 26 in the playoffs? Methinks Seider will at least meet your base expectations. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted August 14, 2019 Moritz Seider > Miro Heiskanen... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted August 14, 2019 3 hours ago, krsmith17 said: Craig Button also said that Dylan Larkin would be "Darren Helm with better scoring ability", so I'd take the Brandon Carlo comparison with a grain of salt. I personally think (hope) Seider will be a much better defenseman than Carlo. Not that Carlo is bad (and still has room to grow), I just have very high expectations for Seider... Isnt that pretty accurate for Larkin? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted August 14, 2019 10 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said: Isnt that pretty accurate for Larkin? Not. sure. if. serious... The only *slight* comparison Larkin has to Helm is speed, and even then I think Larkin is faster than Helm ever was in his prime. Larkin has better hands, better shot, better playmaker, higher hockey IQ, etc, etc, etc... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted August 14, 2019 33 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: Not. sure. if. serious... The only *slight* comparison Larkin has to Helm is speed, and even then I think Larkin is faster than Helm ever was in his prime. Larkin has better hands, better shot, better playmaker, higher hockey IQ, etc, etc, etc... I think the only thing Button missed is that Larkin has MUCH more scoring ability. 10 other NHL teams missed that too, tho. At the time, that analysis seems pretty accurate if you only have a few words to get your point across. 5 years later, it turns out the comparison to a poor mans Crosby is a bit more accurate than Helm with more scoring ability. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted August 14, 2019 16 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said: I think the only thing Button missed is that Larkin has MUCH more scoring ability. 10 other NHL teams missed that too, tho. At the time, that analysis seems pretty accurate if you only have a few words to get your point across. 5 years later, it turns out the comparison to a poor mans Crosby is a bit more accurate than Helm with more scoring ability. LOL The only thing Button missed was how awesome Larkin was going to be. Other than that, he nailed it. 2 krsmith17 and nyqvististhefuture reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted August 14, 2019 17 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said: I think the only thing Button missed is that Larkin has MUCH more scoring ability. 10 other NHL teams missed that too, tho. At the time, that analysis seems pretty accurate if you only have a few words to get your point across. 5 years later, it turns out the comparison to a poor mans Crosby is a bit more accurate than Helm with more scoring ability. So... in other words, it's not at all accurate? That was my point... Players are often compared to other players based on play style, not so much floor / ceiling. Button thinks Seider plays similarly to Carlo. From the little I've seen of Seider so far, I disagree. Button also thought Larkin played similarly to Helm, it didn't take me very long to disagree with that take either... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ely s 457 Report post Posted August 14, 2019 53 minutes ago, kipwinger said: If Seider ends up only being as good as Brandon Carlo then Steve Yzerman should be fired. You don't take "Brandon Carlo" types with the 6th overall pick. If he's not a Colton Paryako at least, and a Seth Jones at most, then it's a wasted pick in a crucial year. Don´t get me wrong, I think he will be a #1 defensemen. Listen to the podcast I posted from 22:30 on, that´s his Seider part. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted August 14, 2019 4 hours ago, The 91 of Ryans said: LOL The only thing Button missed was how awesome Larkin was going to be. Other than that, he nailed it. Let me go back 5 years and check out what you were saying about Dylan Larkin pre draft. Oh yah. Absolutely NOTHING. If you want to say Button underestimated Larkin's ceiling, fine. But at the time, we had ONE burner on our team and it was Helm. That's why he put out the most succinct comparison to a Red Wings player he could. Helm with hands. Here are Button's full comments. Will probably put you all at ease on this. “Think of Darren Helm but better scoring ability,” said TSN scout Craig Button. “He’s got that type of disruptive speed. He comes at you defensively. He comes at you offensively. He played (hurt) at the (world) U-18 tournament where USA won gold and he just kept playing through it. He’s got guts, lots of skill, lots of speed.” Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TLGTrico 616 Report post Posted August 14, 2019 7 hours ago, krsmith17 said: Moritz Seider > Miro Heiskanen... Wouldn't that be nice Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
