Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted November 3, 2019 Where we at? How we feeling? Blackpilled? Whitepilled? On the fence? Angry? Apathetic? I'm...I dunno. I'm of multiple minds on multiple things. I'm trying to focus on the positives tho. "What positives???" Well the most important thing (IMO) is that we seem to have identified a solid young top line in Bertuzzi-Larkin-Mantha and a solid young top-pairing defenseman in Hronek. That gives us something to build on and it takes a little bit of pressure off of the next wave of kids. Does that position us for a return to respectability within the next two years? Your mileage may vary. Personally, I'd like to think the answer is "Sure, why not." We'll need a number of things to go very right for us, but I at least feel like I can post mockups of what a relevant 2021-22 Red Wings team may look like and not feel like I'm just desperately wishcasting. Like, I get it, this current team is very bad and it's probably going to be a long while before we're back to being a perennial playoff team. A dramatic turnaround between now and 2021-2022 season is not something we can count on happening. I get all that. I don't necessarily disagree with all that. But just for the sake of argument, tell me how much of the following 2021-2022 projection is totally implausible: FORWARDS Tyler Bertuzzi -- Dylan Larkin -- Anthony Mantha Andreas Athanasiou -- Quinton Byfield -- Kyle Palmieri Michael Rasmussen -- Erik Haula -- Filip Zadina Evgeny Svechnikov -- Joe Veleno -- Givani Smith (Luke Glendening, Chase Pearson) DEFENSEMEN T.J. Brodie -- Moritz Seider Danny DeKeyser -- Filip Hronek Dennis Cholowski -- Haydn Fleury (Gustav Lindstrom) GOALTENDERS Robin Lehner Filip Larsson The bolded names are acquisitions. Breakdown: Via Draft: Quinton Byfield (2020) Via Trade: Haydn Fleury (2020) Via UFA: Erik Haula (2020), T.J. Brodie (2020), Robin Lehner (2020), Kyle Palmieri (2021) (No, I can't see us getting back to the playoffs within the next couple of years without some key free agent signings. But these aren't blockbuster pipe dream pickups.) What say you? Share your thoughts on the rebuild. 1 The 91 of Ryans reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted November 3, 2019 That dot on the horizon? The playoffs. We're in a tricycle. 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wingnut1989 165 Report post Posted November 3, 2019 Still waiting for Yzerman to clear house like Shanny did in Toronto. So much dead weight and its really visible this season compared to last season. Not really sure what changed but no one outside the top line is doing anything this season. 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spongewingredpants 75 Report post Posted November 3, 2019 Most of the D sucks. Half of the forwards and both goalies. That sums it up 2 Dabura and Hockeymom1960 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted November 4, 2019 I think we have 2 solid top 4 D in Seider and Hronek. DD can take one spot, so we really only need one more kid to pan out. I don't see any reason to trade for or sign any D. As for F, we appear to have one line of Bert-Larkin-Mantha. AA, Veleno, Moose and Zadina are all in the mix for the top 6, but I would feel more comfortable if we got one more high end F in the draft. That would give us the flexibility to move 2 of those I already mentioned to the 3rd line along with Svech. I will reserve judgment until I see who we draft this year and how all of Zadina, Moose, and Veleno pan out. 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted November 4, 2019 (edited) Sadly i can see howard still here at this point in 2 yrs on single deals as a starter/backup/or splitting games until our future #1 is ready if veleno is our 4c id consider that a bust (i know hed be just starting off but i dont see any benefit to him being here as a 4c) as well as svech, i know your just having some fun but gotta think bodies will be moved which might include the likes of svech and AA just for the fun of it ...21-22 Bertuzzi larkin mantha Lafraniere veleno zadina berggren(erne if hes not ready) rasmussen svechnikov Smith Pearson glendening Dekeyser seider (d involved in AA move) hronek Cholowski lindstrom (veteran cheap $ dman) howard + whoever emerges of larsson/pottelberghe/petruzzelli or else we’ll be stuck with two veteran goalies with splitting duties Provided yzerman can get rid of dead weight and we can land A top pick + some high end kids next season stepping in it should start being a bit more fun to watch wings games Edited November 4, 2019 by nyqvististhefuture 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted November 4, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, Dabura said: Where we at? How we feeling? Blackpilled? Whitepilled? On the fence? Angry? Apathetic? I'm...I dunno. I'm of multiple minds on multiple things. I'm trying to focus on the positives tho. "What positives???" Well the most important thing (IMO) is that we seem to have identified a solid young top line in Bertuzzi-Larkin-Mantha and a solid young top-pairing defenseman in Hronek. That gives us something to build on and it takes a little bit of pressure off of the next wave of kids. Does that position us for a return to respectability within the next two years? Your mileage may vary. Personally, I'd like to think the answer is "Sure, why not." We'll need a number of things to go very right for us, but I at least feel like I can post mockups of what a relevant 2021-22 Red Wings team may look like and not feel like I'm just desperately wishcasting. Like, I get it, this current team is very bad and it's probably going to be a long while before we're back to being a perennial playoff team. A dramatic turnaround between now and 2021-2022 season is not something we can count on happening. I get all that. I don't necessarily disagree with all that. But just for the sake of argument, tell me how much of the following 2021-2022 projection is totally implausible: FORWARDS Tyler Bertuzzi -- Dylan Larkin -- Anthony Mantha Andreas Athanasiou -- Quinton Byfield -- Kyle Palmieri Michael Rasmussen -- Erik Haula -- Filip Zadina Evgeny Svechnikov -- Joe Veleno -- Givani Smith (Luke Glendening, Chase Pearson) DEFENSEMEN T.J. Brodie -- Moritz Seider Danny DeKeyser -- Filip Hronek Dennis Cholowski -- Haydn Fleury (Gustav Lindstrom) GOALTENDERS Robin Lehner Filip Larsson The bolded names are acquisitions. Breakdown: Via Draft: Quinton Byfield (2020) Via Trade: Haydn Fleury (2020) Via UFA: Erik Haula (2020), T.J. Brodie (2020), Robin Lehner (2020), Kyle Palmieri (2021) (No, I can't see us getting back to the playoffs within the next couple of years without some key free agent signings. But these aren't blockbuster pipe dream pickups.) What say you? Share your thoughts on the rebuild. Bertuzzi - Larkin - Mantha Svechnikov - Rasmussen - Athanasiou Namestnikov - Veleno - Glendening Abdelkader - Nielsen - Soderblom Krug - Seider Dekeyser - Hronek Cholowski - McIsaac Markstrom Larsson Edited November 4, 2019 by ChristopherReevesLegs 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted November 4, 2019 (edited) 2021-22 Players still under contract... Larkin, Nielsen, Abdelkader, Veleno, Zadina, DeKeyser, Seider, McIsaac, Larsson, Fulcher RFA's that will be extended... Mantha, Bertuzzi, Athanasiou, Rasmussen, Svechnikov, Hronek, Cholowski RFA's that might be extended... Perlini, Hirose, Erne, Kuffner, Turgeon, Pearson, Smith, Bowey, Lindstrom, Kaski RFA's that shouldn't be extended... Ehn, de la Rose, Hicketts, Saarijarvi UFA's that might be re-signed... Glendening, Howard / Bernier UFA's that shouldn't be re-signed... Helm, Filppula, Green, Daley, Ericsson, Nemeth, Biega All LTIR contracts and buy-outs will be off the books by this time as well... Zetterberg, Franzen, Weiss, Ouellet Nielsen will be in the final year of his contract, but I think (hope) he will be moved by then. Hopefully sooner than later... Abdelkader will be in the final two years of his contract, and he'll likely play it out as the 12th / 13th forward... There will likely be a significant trade and / or free agent signing in the next couple years, but that being too difficult to predict, this is what I can see without any big moves... Bertuzzi - Larkin - Zadina Lafreniere - Veleno - Mantha Svechnikov - Rasmussen - Athanasiou Smith - Turgeon - Glendening Abdelkader / Pearson / Kuffner DeKeyser - Seider Cholowski - Hronek McIsaac - Bowey Lindstrom / Kaski Howard Larsson Edited November 4, 2019 by krsmith17 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted November 4, 2019 What would it take to get Provorov out of Philadelphia? Or Heiskanen out of Dallas? I know it's a major pipedream (never going to happen), but imagine either of those guys on the top pair with Sieder for the next 12+ years... 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted November 4, 2019 1 hour ago, krsmith17 said: RFA's that shouldn't be extended... Ehn, de la Rose, Hicketts, Saarijarvi No Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted November 4, 2019 10 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: No Huh? You think Hicketts should be re-signed? For what? Grand Rapids depth? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted November 4, 2019 15 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: Huh? You think Hicketts should be re-signed? For what? Grand Rapids depth? Hicketts is smol, but he gon break out this season and next Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted November 4, 2019 8 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Hicketts is smol, but he gon break out this season and next And become what? I'd be okay with re-signing Hicketts, but only as a depth defenseman. I don't think he'll ever be a mainstay in an NHL team's top 6... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted November 4, 2019 Just now, krsmith17 said: And become what? Torey Krug crummy sequel edition Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted November 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Torey Krug crummy sequel edition Yea... No. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted November 4, 2019 1 minute ago, krsmith17 said: Yea... No. I'm suspicious that he could... yet intrigued that he may... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted November 4, 2019 1 minute ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: I'm suspicious that he could... yet intrigued that he may... Hicketts has as good a shot to become Krug, as McIlrath does to become Pietrangelo... 1 The 91 of Ryans reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted November 4, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: Hicketts has as good a shot to become Krug, as McIlrath does to become Pietrangelo... Krug - Seider Cholowski - Hronek Hicketts - McIlrath Would be a solid lineup in the future Edited November 4, 2019 by ChristopherReevesLegs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted November 4, 2019 7 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Krug - Seider Cholowski - Hronek Hicketts - McIlrath Would be a solid lineup in the future Where is Pietrangelo? Also, No. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted November 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: Where is Pietrangelo? Also, No. Krug (small rafalski like Dman) - Seider (basically lidstrom) Cholowski (new green) - Hronek (new kronwall) Hicketts (krug plus hitting) - McIlrath (new lilja) That's a heavy weight defense in the cap era 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted November 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Krug (small rafalski like Dman) - Seider (basically lidstrom) Cholowski (new green) - Hronek (new kronwall) Hicketts (krug plus hitting) - McIlrath (new lilja) That's a heavy weight defense in the cap era Lebda > Hicketts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted November 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Krug (small rafalski like Dman) - Seider (basically lidstrom) Cholowski (new green) - Hronek (new kronwall) Hicketts (krug plus hitting) - McIlrath (new lilja) That's a heavy weight defense in the cap era Krug will be 29, on the downswing of his career. He is going to get massively overpaid. No thanks! Seider should be a legit top pairing defenseman. Not sure if he'll be a top three defenseman all time though... I hope Cholowski becomes prime Green, but I wouldn't bank on it. I think Hronek will be better than prime Kronwall. Hicketts sucks. McIlrath sucks more... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted November 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: Lebda > Hicketts Hicketts is 23 He's played 10 games between the NHL and AHL this year and has a combined 8 pts I give it 3-4 months before you apologize for your shortsightedness 1 minute ago, krsmith17 said: Krug will be 29, on the downswing of his career. He is going to get massively overpaid. No thanks! Seider should be a legit top pairing defenseman. Not sure if he'll be a top three defenseman all time though... I hope Cholowski becomes prime Green, but I wouldn't bank on it. I think Hronek will be better than prime Kronwall. Hicketts sucks. McIlrath sucks more... Yzerman is gonna trade Tuomisto rights for Krug's rights before FA opens Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted November 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Yzerman is gonna trade Tuomisto rights for Krug's rights before FA opens No. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted November 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Hicketts is 23 He's played 10 games between the NHL and AHL this year and has a combined 8 pts I give it 3-4 months before you apologize for your shortsightedness Yzerman is gonna trade Tuomisto rights for Krug's rights before FA opens He ever do something like this in Tampa I wonder? Too lazy here to do research. 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
