kliq 3,755 Report post Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) This was posted on the HOF boards during our hiatus. My question is simple, if the Wings fire Blashill would you be open to bringing Babcock back? Edited October 3, 2020 by kliq Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted November 22, 2019 I don't think he would come back for any reason. But I would take him in the rare circumstance he would. Will be interesting to see where he goes. 4 years ago we literally had BAB WATCH. I don't think he gets that level of hype now, but honestly I want him here in Seattle with my new superior Sockeyes team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xault 272 Report post Posted November 22, 2019 I would rather not. 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted November 22, 2019 I don't see a fit. However, that doesn't necessarily mean Babcock's availability can't "work for us." Maybe Poile replaces Laviolette with Babcock... 1 Akakabuto reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,750 Report post Posted November 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, Dabura said: I don't see a fit. However, that doesn't necessarily mean Babcock's availability can't "work for us." Maybe Poile replaces Laviolette with Babcock... I was thinking of Nashville too. Seems like a good fit for Babs. Maybe Flyers. I doubt he wants to take on another rebuild project. The guy wants to win. 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spongewingredpants 75 Report post Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) A good friend of mine who is a diehard Leafs fan said the other day "You can have Babs" back The Leafs on paper are a top three team in the league. Edited November 22, 2019 by Spongewingredpants Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MabusIncarnate 5,344 Report post Posted November 22, 2019 Nope. I feel like we have moved past that era. I don't feel like he's the guy to manage this current mess either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted November 22, 2019 1 derblaueClaus reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted November 22, 2019 9 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: I don't think he would come back for any reason. But I would take him in the rare circumstance he would. Will be interesting to see where he goes. 4 years ago we literally had BAB WATCH. I don't think he gets that level of hype now, but honestly I want him here in Seattle with my new superior Sockeyes team. This seems like the most likely scenario. Babs could help build the team the way he wants it. And he wouldn't have any Matthews level stars to short the ice time of 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted November 22, 2019 1 hour ago, amato said: This seems like the most likely scenario. Babs could help build the team the way he wants it. And he wouldn't have any Matthews level stars to short the ice time of Yeah I was reading something that said Lam and Babs were really close and shared a vision for the team, but that was the complete opposite with Dubas and Babs. They didn't see eye to eye on team construction and weren't close as colleagues. So Dubas got his way, and now has HIS coach. Buys him a little time now to get his team together. My question for Dubas would be WTF is your vision for that team? It seems to me he's just gonna overload with offensively gifted players and try to score other teams to death. I think that kid is in way over his head. 3 amato, gcom007 and Wings3:16 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted November 22, 2019 11 hours ago, Dabura said: I don't see a fit. However, that doesn't necessarily mean Babcock's availability can't "work for us." Maybe Poile replaces Laviolette with Babcock... Tampa's probably the best fit, tbh. But I have no interest in Cooper. Laviolette, on the other hand, is a guy I've always really liked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
derblaueClaus 1,668 Report post Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) Babs likes a heavy grinding style. This team is headed to a speed and skill build. A firm and definite nope. Edited November 22, 2019 by derblaueClaus 2 krsmith17 and amato reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted November 22, 2019 2 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Yeah I was reading something that said Lam and Babs were really close and shared a vision for the team, but that was the complete opposite with Dubas and Babs. They didn't see eye to eye on team construction and weren't close as colleagues. So Dubas got his way, and now has HIS coach. Buys him a little time now to get his team together. My question for Dubas would be WTF is your vision for that team? It seems to me he's just gonna overload with offensively gifted players and try to score other teams to death. I think that kid is in way over his head. You really think overloading with offensively gifted players is a bad thing?... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted November 22, 2019 1 hour ago, krsmith17 said: You really think overloading with offensively gifted players is a bad thing?... No, I think ONLY having skilled players is a bad thing. Dabs made this point on HF Boards, and I tend to agree with him. They're gonna soon miss role-players like Kadri. #2 shutdown centers are like a gift from god in the playoffs. And Kadris presence took a lot of pressure off of Matthews and Tavares. The massive firepower they have is a great thing, but there's a lot of other elements to hockey. I see a team that can score, but doesn't do anything else particularly well. And I wonder if Dubas has any sort of actual vision for the identity of that team, other than re-signing the guys who show up on the stat sheet the most. 2 Dabura and Akakabuto reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) 43 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: No, I think ONLY having skilled players is a bad thing. Dabs made this point on HF Boards, and I tend to agree with him. They're gonna soon miss role-players like Kadri. #2 shutdown centers are like a gift from god in the playoffs. And Kadris presence took a lot of pressure off of Matthews and Tavares. The massive firepower they have is a great thing, but there's a lot of other elements to hockey. I see a team that can score, but doesn't do anything else particularly well. And I wonder if Dubas has any sort of actual vision for the identity of that team, other than re-signing the guys who show up on the stat sheet the most. The real tragedy is it's actually a really good group. It's just, y'know, not quite ready to win a Cup. But it's Tronna, so they *have* to win the Cup *now*, because reasons. And so that's the position Dubas -- that visionary galaxy-brained boy-next-door nerd wizard who was going to show all the dinosaur GMs how to build a contender in the cap era -- has put the team in. Which is kind of an unfair spot for those young players to be in. Like I keep saying, those young players haven't been around long enough. They're babies. You're putting the weight of the world on the shoulders of youngsters who've had a bit of regular season success but are a long way from what I would consider battle-tested and battle-hardened. Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on how you look at it), that D group could look completely different next season. Maybe Dubas has a plan there. And it's not like he can't trade any of his young forwards. Edited November 22, 2019 by Dabura 1 ChristopherReevesLegs reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted November 22, 2019 P.S. F*** the Leafs. 3 Akakabuto, Hockeymom1960 and TheXym reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted November 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dabura said: The real tragedy is it's actually a really good group. It's just, y'know, not quite ready to win a Cup. But it's Tronna, so they *have* to win the Cup *now*, because reasons. And so that's the position Dubas -- that visionary galaxy-brained boy-next-door nerd wizard who was going to show all the dinosaur GMs how to build a contender in the cap era -- has put the team in. Which is kind of an unfair spot for those young players to be in. Like I keep saying, those young players haven't been around long enough. They're babies. You're putting the weight of the world on the shoulders of youngsters who've had a bit of regular season success but are a long way from what I would consider battle-tested and battle-hardened. Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on how you look at it), that D group could look completely different next season. Maybe Dubas has a plan there. And it's not like he can't trade any of his young forwards. I was gonna say, they almost suffer from TOO MUCH TALENT. A good problem to have no doubt, but still a tricky one in its own right. Dubas seems to be afraid to lose any of his offensive sweethearts which I think exposes some of the immaturity he has an early career 33 yo GM. You gotta make tough calls. Trade Nylander. Tell Marner to go to Switzerland and that he can come back when he's ready to be a serious NHLer. So ******* glad we have iron will Yzerman at the helm lol 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted November 22, 2019 14 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: I was gonna say, they almost suffer from TOO MUCH TALENT. A good problem to have no doubt, but still a tricky one in its own right. Dubas seems to be afraid to lose any of his offensive sweethearts which I think exposes some of the immaturity he has an early career 33 yo GM. You gotta make tough calls. Trade Nylander. Tell Marner to go to Switzerland and that he can come back when he's ready to be a serious NHLer. So ******* glad we have iron will Yzerman at the helm lol >HOCKEY JOURNOS: "Ken Holland has lost his objectivity; he's too attached to his players." >ALSO HOCKEY JOURNOS: "Kyle Dubas believes in love. And, really, what's so wrong with that?" I'm reeeeeeally eager to see what Yzerman does with our RFAs this summer. 1 ChristopherReevesLegs reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted November 22, 2019 2 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: No, I think ONLY having skilled players is a bad thing. Dabs made this point on HF Boards, and I tend to agree with him. They're gonna soon miss role-players like Kadri. #2 shutdown centers are like a gift from god in the playoffs. And Kadris presence took a lot of pressure off of Matthews and Tavares. The massive firepower they have is a great thing, but there's a lot of other elements to hockey. I see a team that can score, but doesn't do anything else particularly well. And I wonder if Dubas has any sort of actual vision for the identity of that team, other than re-signing the guys who show up on the stat sheet the most. Since when do they ONLY have skilled players? They have a very strong top 9, and a line full of muckers / grinders. The problem is, Babcock relied too heavily on that 4th line, and not enough on his top 2 lines. Kadri was / is a solid shutdown 2C. Problem is, Tavares >>> Kadri, and you can't pay your 3C $4.5M when you have 3 guys making overly $30M. 1 hour ago, Dabura said: P.S. F*** the Leafs. This. But also, F*** Mike Babcock. 1 TheXym reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yzerman19 334 Report post Posted November 22, 2019 What's funny though is: The Leafs losing then firing their coach in roughly 12 games..... We've been rebuilding but even more so playing like a s*** peewee team and yet our coach has been there for 3 years!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted November 23, 2019 36 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: Since when do they ONLY have skilled players? They have a very strong top 9, and a line full of muckers / grinders. The problem is, Babcock relied too heavily on that 4th line, and not enough on his top 2 lines. Kadri was / is a solid shutdown 2C. Problem is, Tavares >>> Kadri, and you can't pay your 3C $4.5M when you have 3 guys making overly $30M. Sorry but that's just patently wrong. Babs 4th line was averaging 10 min a games. That's less than our own 4th line and probably much of the league. He relied heavily on his top9. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted November 23, 2019 39 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Sorry but that's just patently wrong. Babs 4th line was averaging 10 min a games. That's less than our own 4th line and probably much of the league. He relied heavily on his top9. Key games / situations. Game 7 in the playoffs, your top dogs should play 25+ minutes, not 18... Anyway, I'm done with this. I don't care enough about Babcock, much less the Leafs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeymom1960 5,107 Report post Posted November 23, 2019 3 hours ago, Dabura said: P.S. F*** the Leafs. Coaches' careers die in Toronto. 2 ChristopherReevesLegs and Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted November 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Hockeymom1960 said: Coaches' careers die in Toronto. Toronto is Toronto's worst enemy. 2 ChristopherReevesLegs and Hockeymom1960 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted November 23, 2019 No. Take Laviolette when the Predators fire him. 2 Dabura and Hockeymom1960 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites