Akakabuto 1,750 Report post Posted September 28, 2020 So Stevie confirmed that Errorson and Daley are not returning. Anybody heard anything on Erne or Perlini? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted September 28, 2020 7 hours ago, krsmith17 said: Who will be better going forward? Never mind "in his 30's"... Do you think it's likely that Howard at 36-39 will be better than Markstrom at 30-33? I don't, and I don't really think you do either. So what are arguing here? Literally every single goaltender in the NHL (including backups) was better than Howard last season, so the "anybody but Howard" rhetoric makes some sense... Again, I'd prefer one of the cheaper options, but Markstrom, even at $6M would be a significant enough upgrade over Howard to be worth it. I just don't want 6 years. 4x$6M would be ideal. That way he's around long enough to mentor some of the younger guys (Larsson / Petruzzelli), but not too long that we see a drastic decline. That Markstrom will probably put up lower numbers at ages 30-33 than Howard did at the same age. And yet some fans seem to think that paying Markstrom $6 million x 4 years is good. It's not. It's an overpayment. A bad contract is never a good idea just because it's not Jimmy. 1 CatBoyRossi reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted September 28, 2020 3 hours ago, kipwinger said: I don't know why you keep referencing writers. They're all just quoting Yzerman's press conference. HE'S the one spinning this. He's the one that talked about "the culture" and "veteran leadership" and "filling holes in the defense". And it's not as though I expected us to be good. Though if we're going to be bad I might rather see Cholowski or Lindstrom in that LD spot, and Rasmussen or Veleno in the center spot. At least they have the ability to get better as the season progresses. Which is more fun for me as a fan, rather than watching Mark Staal slowly decay on ice. It's a catch 22 tho. Trading for guys like Marc Staal is how we're going to acquire more draft picks. Also, Gagner's contract is insignificant. He can always be sent down and the cap hit is negligible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted September 28, 2020 2 hours ago, nyqvististhefuture said: I hope your right but i see him more as a daley/ericsson situation where we’ll receive no offers So what? We already got a 2nd and he walks at the end of the season. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted September 28, 2020 22 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: That Markstrom will probably put up lower numbers at ages 30-33 than Howard did at the same age. And yet some fans seem to think that paying Markstrom $6 million x 4 years is good. It's not. It's an overpayment. A bad contract is never a good idea just because it's not Jimmy. I'm not arguing that we should sign Markstrom to $6M x 4 years. I'm arguing that we should sign virtually any goaltender over Howard, because he was that bad last season. You don't win 2 games out of 27 starts and get another contract. "Anybody but Howard"... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted September 28, 2020 2 hours ago, nyqvististhefuture said: Or we can actually bury them? If we traded for alzner you’d put both staal and alzner out there? That would be a fun season lmao We can trade for a guy eat 50% off and make them more digestable and flip them again for more assets ... there’s options You realize that you can only retain salary on a max of 2? players, right? This idea that you can just acquire all of these players and just trade them away to other teams at half the price is nonsense. Not to mention, other teams are still not going to want these guys for a full season even at a discount. This isn't a video game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted September 28, 2020 1 minute ago, CatBoyRossi said: Overpaying average goalies is still bad regardless of Howard This is what I'm trying to say. But it seems that the "not my goalie" crowd thinks that even a corpse is a better option. I'm not opposed to bringing in a new goalie, but overpaying for the sake of avoiding Howard is counter intuitive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted September 28, 2020 9 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: You realize that you can only retain salary on a max of 2? players, right? This idea that you can just acquire all of these players and just trade them away to other teams at half the price is nonsense. Not to mention, other teams are still not going to want these guys for a full season even at a discount. This isn't a video game. I believe its 3 ... and no ones saying to go acquire 8 players and eat all their salaries but we can certainly trade for a player or two and retain half the salary and flip them if the player isnt a complete waste Sure , neomaxizoomdweebie knows for a fact that nhl gm’s wouldnt take a derek stepan at 3 mill rather than 6 etc... 58 minutes ago, Akakabuto said: So Stevie confirmed that Errorson and Daley are not returning. Anybody heard anything on Erne or Perlini? I doubt he’ll admit he failed on both , if i had to bet money it would be on erne returning since he had him on tampa and perlini will run along Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted September 28, 2020 21 minutes ago, CatBoyRossi said: Overpaying average goalies is still bad regardless of Howard Sure, but that's what free agency is... Besides, I wouldn't say $6M over 4 years would be a big overpayment for Marstrom, and AGAIN, there are a few cheaper options that I'd prefer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted September 28, 2020 11 minutes ago, CatBoyRossi said: Plus Howard was better than Markstrom at the same age Well in that case, I take it all back... Re-sign Howard. Give the man a raise... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,750 Report post Posted September 28, 2020 13 minutes ago, CatBoyRossi said: 17 Devon Toews 26 D $4,903,906 18 Ryan Graves 25 D $4,878,873 Who? And why are they getting almost 5 mil? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,750 Report post Posted September 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, CatBoyRossi said: Toews is a young 30 pointish Dman for the Islanders. I believe Graves is Makar's D partner. Both are young Dman who are gonna cash in their first big contracts really. Sure they gonna get raises but this projection gotta be too high. They are 25 and 26 years old and both have played about a hundred NHL games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted September 28, 2020 Tsn radio talking about the eichel rangers rumors and what theyd have to give up and mentioned how theyd have to get rid of henrik’s 8mill cap hit somehow So how do we get blackmail material so we can get henrik to waive his ntc to come to detroit and force the rangers to give us their second 1st and matthew robertson 2 13dangledangle and town123 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted September 28, 2020 56 minutes ago, CatBoyRossi said: Mantha for 5.5 and Bertuzzi for 4 would be nice though If Mantha comes in under $6M, long-term, it will be a fantastic contract. Bertuzzi at around $4-4.5M is around where I would have pegged him. 27 minutes ago, CatBoyRossi said: Good depth signing. Probably a career AHLer at this point, but a good pro for the young Griffins to learn from. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted September 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: Good depth signing. Probably a career AHLer at this point, but a good pro for the young Griffins to learn from. Nah man. Not Taylor Hall. So what you meant to say is Yzerman's an idiot. Great job idiot! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted September 28, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, CatBoyRossi said: Plus Howard was better than Markstrom at the same age He was. That's why we should sign Markstrom to an even bigger contract. Apparently a goaltender who cant even keep a starting job is worth more than a 30 goal scorer in Mantha. Edited September 28, 2020 by Neomaxizoomdweebie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted September 28, 2020 Did krug’s rights get dealt to florida? I heard something about it just now on the radio but missed if it was comfirmed ...i suspected it would be florida cause theyre probably desperate and krug wants his money and wont pay as much taxes there hope its true Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted September 28, 2020 48 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: Nah man. Not Taylor Hall. So what you meant to say is Yzerman's an idiot. Great job idiot! Right. Yzerman sux... 17 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: He was. That's why we should sign Markstrom to an even bigger contract. Howard signed a 6 year contract at the age of 30 (same age as Markstrom now) at $5.3M per. At the time, the salary cap was $64.3M, meaning he took up 8.2% of the cap. Markstrom is rumored to be looking to sign a contract worth $6M per. The salary cap is currently at $81.5M, meaning he would take up 7.4% of the cap (significantly less than Howard). I would say Howard was well worth his contract, up until the last year or so, when the wheels fell off. I'd be all for signing Markstrom to a $6M contract for 4 years. If that's an "overpayment", Howard must have been overpaid (even more so) as well, which I'd also disagree with... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,961 Report post Posted September 28, 2020 8 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said: Did krug’s rights get dealt to florida? I heard something about it just now on the radio but missed if it was comfirmed ...i suspected it would be florida cause theyre probably desperate and krug wants his money and wont pay as much taxes there hope its true don't see anything anywhere.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,961 Report post Posted September 28, 2020 I am really hoping we get Krug...Sometimes you have to make moves like that to show your team that you are trying to win more, plus build. It also does well for player morale. Who wants to come in to the season knowing you aren't going to have any more of a chance to win more games? Krug to Detroit, give him 8x8. 1 The 91 of Ryans reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted September 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, LeftWinger said: I am really hoping we get Krug...Sometimes you have to make moves like that to show your team that you are trying to win more, plus build. It also does well for player morale. Who wants to come in to the season knowing you aren't going to have any more of a chance to win more games? Krug to Detroit, give him 8x8. Effin right!! That's the attitude! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted September 28, 2020 41 minutes ago, LeftWinger said: I am really hoping we get Krug...Sometimes you have to make moves like that to show your team that you are trying to win more, plus build. It also does well for player morale. Who wants to come in to the season knowing you aren't going to have any more of a chance to win more games? Krug to Detroit, give him 8x8. I hear where you're coming from, but I don't think Krug should be that player, and certainly not at $8M x 8 years... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted September 28, 2020 (edited) 58 minutes ago, LeftWinger said: I am really hoping we get Krug...Sometimes you have to make moves like that to show your team that you are trying to win more, plus build. It also does well for player morale. Who wants to come in to the season knowing you aren't going to have any more of a chance to win more games? Krug to Detroit, give him 8x8. Way too much money. 7x6.5 or 8x6. Front load the s*** out of it with bonuses. That way when he is 35 and declining his contract is ripe for a poor team needing a veteran to reach the cap floor with little money owed. Edited September 28, 2020 by marcaractac 1 13dangledangle reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diehardredwingsfan58 123 Report post Posted September 29, 2020 3 hours ago, nyqvististhefuture said: Did krug’s rights get dealt to florida? I heard something about it just now on the radio but missed if it was comfirmed ...i suspected it would be florida cause theyre probably desperate and krug wants his money and wont pay as much taxes there hope its true No his rights still haven't moved. 1 nyqvististhefuture reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted September 29, 2020 Signing Krug would be a terrible idea. 4 13dangledangle, krsmith17, nyqvististhefuture and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
