2021 Draft

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

9 hours ago, Dabura said:

Where Johnson (LHC/W) is more a playmaker than he is a finisher, Lucius (RHC/W) is a pure goal-scorer. Lucius's skating and defensive game are lacking, but his scoring prowess is undeniable. Like Johnson, Lucius has great hands and a flair for the dramatic. He missed most of this season due to an injury, but his 2019-20 season was outstanding and he was great in the dozen games he played this season.

So, yeah, there's some risk with Lucius. But, as a Wings fan, I really like the potential reward, which is a flashy, exciting, RH goal-scoring 1C/2C.

The concern with a prospect like Lucius is that if his offense isnt there at the NHL level, he has little else to offer. It's not like he can be used like a Dan Cleary or Kirk Maltby type then.

[Dabura 12,206]

20 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

The concern with a prospect like Lucius is that if his offense isnt there at the NHL level, he has little else to offer. It's not like he can be used like a Dan Cleary or Kirk Maltby type then.

Like I said, there's risk there. Personally, though, I don't feel Lucius is significantly more boom/bust than a lot of the other candidates. You could argue that a guy like Johnson is more rounded and therefore has a higher floor, but to that I would say if Johnson doesn't live up to his potential, he's going to be a run-of-the-mill bottom-sixer. Would that be more valuable to us than a goal-scorer who can't score goals? I mean, I guess...?

Then again, this assumes Lucius does not in fact have much else to offer, which isn't necessarily true. He's good on faceoffs. He's got great hands, as mentioned. He's not an elite playmaker, but he can thread passes and make plays that the average Wings prospect can't. Great stickhandler. Can hold the puck and run a cycle. Likes to drive the net, buzz around the net. Not afraid to battle along the boards. His defensive shortcomings are more an "I'm a goal-scorer and my team needs me to score goals, so of course I'm gonna cheat and fly the zone early" thing than they are a "I don't know how to play defense and I don't want to learn" thing.

The Wings have drafted lots of rounded players, lots of pass-first playmakers, lots of great skaters. One thing we've been sorely lacking is players who just flat-out know how to put the puck in the net. Our power play has cost us countless games over the past several years. Not being able to find that one goal in the third period has cost us countless games over the past several years. An inability to seal the deal in OT has cost us countless games over the past several years. So we definitely have an organizational need there.

If we can trade down and add Lucius at, like, 11OA? To me, that sounds great. But I'm not Steve Yzerman or his scouts.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

On 6/6/2021 at 6:30 AM, Akakabuto said:

My point is that people shouldn't get upset if Yzerman picks someone not even discussed in the top 10 leading up to the draft. Nobody knows how this is going to shake out. It's a weird year and the players that gets the most talk are the ones who played the most games that scout could actually watch.

Ya you cant be totally surprised since its yzerman but right now i just got like 5 guys in mind that will go at 6 so i guess we’ll have to see what he does cause i cant see him taking someone at 6 whos barely played. Should be a fun draft weekend

[Scott R Lucidi 424]

Are we getting a goalie?

[Akakabuto 1,744]

2 hours ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Ya you cant be totally surprised since its yzerman but right now i just got like 5 guys in mind that will go at 6 so i guess we’ll have to see what he does cause i cant see him taking someone at 6 whos barely played. Should be a fun draft weekend

Should be real fun. Lots of Red Wings picks in a potentially wild draft. 

[The 91 of Ryans 3,014]

5 minutes ago, Akakabuto said:

Should be real fun. Lots of Red Wings picks in a potentially wild draft. 

$20 says the late first or one of the three 2nds ends up being a better player than the 6OA

[Gniwder 168]

On 6/6/2021 at 6:30 AM, Akakabuto said:

My point is that people shouldn't get upset if Yzerman picks someone not even discussed in the top 10 leading up to the draft. Nobody knows how this is going to shake out. It's a weird year and the players that gets the most talk are the ones who played the most games that scout could actually watch.

In fact u should be excited when Yzerman drafts the #25 at 6. It means Mo Seider 2.0 incoming. 

[TLGTrico 616]

On 6/6/2021 at 6:30 AM, Akakabuto said:

My point is that people shouldn't get upset if Yzerman picks someone not even discussed in the top 10 leading up to the draft. Nobody knows how this is going to shake out. It's a weird year and the players that gets the most talk are the ones who played the most games that scout could actually watch.

This is the one year where I won't bat an eye if Yzerman goes way off the board.

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

11 hours ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

Are we getting a goalie?

 Not in the first 2 rounds.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

12 hours ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

Are we getting a goalie?

Yup id say at 6 but some ppl are in denial , itll be an enjoyable draft

[diehardredwingsfan58 123]

21 hours ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

$20 says the late first or one of the three 2nds ends up being a better player than the 6OA

The way Yzerman drafted in Tampa, This is a very real possibility.

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Mock-Draft/

This guy has Detroit taking 2 goalies in the first round. Ridiculous.

 

Edited June 8, 2021 by Neomaxizoomdweebie

[TLGTrico 616]

The Caps' pick is officially 23rd.  22nd if you take the Yotes into account.

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6 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Mock-Draft/

This guy has Detroit taking 2 goalies in the first round. Ridiculous.

 

What if the Wings took Knight last year versus Lucas? Wonder how that would of went over.

[redw1ngs 149]

8 hours ago, Rivalred said:

What if the Wings took Knight last year versus Lucas? Wonder how that would of went over.

I think you mean Askarov? Askarov at 4th overall over Raymond would have been terrible. Knight was taken the year prior. Likewise, Knight at 6th overall over Seider would have been riot worthy.

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2 hours ago, redw1ngs said:

I think you mean Askarov? Askarov at 4th overall over Raymond would have been terrible. Knight was taken the year prior. Likewise, Knight at 6th overall over Seider would have been riot worthy.

I thought Knight was last year, you are absolutely correct as it was the gear previous, good catch! 

 

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2 hours ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Dunno, IMO I'd rather have Askarov's 1.21 GAA and 0.951 sv% in the KHL in the pipeline right now, than Raymond's 18 pts in 34 games in the SHL.

Askarov looks like the next coming of Tretiak. I can't say Raymond even looks like a new Nyquist yet.

Inflated KHL numbers vs the numbers of an 18 year old in a very defensive men's league. Imma wait and see how this one pans out first. 

Askarov also s***s the bed on the big stage in IIHF hockey, where as Raymond thrived. My guess is both teams end up with a pretty important player though. 

#stillbetterthanwallstedt

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

3 hours ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Dunno, IMO I'd rather have Askarov's 1.21 GAA and 0.951 sv% in the KHL in the pipeline right now, than Raymond's 18 pts in 34 games in the SHL.

Askarov looks like the next coming of Tretiak. I can't say Raymond even looks like a new Nyquist yet.

Raymond will be a big time player imo  as for the goalie Its ok we’ll get wallstedt and then we’ll see everyone here ***** and complain for months

fun times ahead

Edited June 9, 2021 by nyqvististhefuture

[F.Michael 4,590]

On 6/7/2021 at 10:22 PM, nyqvististhefuture said:

Yup id say at 6 but some ppl are in denial , itll be an enjoyable draft

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

On 6/9/2021 at 3:56 PM, F.Michael said:

 

 

[ely s 457]

so, picks 1-27 are set and we end up with the 6th and 22nd selections. Edmonton got the 19th pick, is Stevie trading up to get Cossa?

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

7 hours ago, ely s said:

so, picks 1-27 are set and we end up with the 6th and 22nd selections. Edmonton got the 19th pick, is Stevie trading up to get Cossa?

I doubt it. Not a drop in talent between those 2 spots. Don't see SY giving up assets (probably a draft pick) just to get a specific player there.

[ely s 457]

he had another quite impressive 19th pick...

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

9 hours ago, ely s said:

so, picks 1-27 are set and we end up with the 6th and 22nd selections. Edmonton got the 19th pick, is Stevie trading up to get Cossa?

Edm would just take the local guy themselves especially since they have no goalie prospects . Cossa at 22 is a pipedream

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

2 hours ago, ely s said:

he had another quite impressive 19th pick...

Yes he did. But I still don't think he trades up. He's more likely to trade down in the draft to acquire more picks.