Tony DeAngelo

[Gniwder 168]

Wings are rumored to be in on him.

Nearly a PPG Dman

How do we make this happen?

[13dangledangle 958]

I always love more skill...But this guys an a$$hole, and has been since jr hockey even.  It was actually even a factor for him being drafted too but they took the chance on him anyway.  

With how Yzerman builds a team I see a big 0% chance he brings in a guy like this 

[F.Michael 4,590]

I think he'd be a great addition...Great locker room presence.

[LeftWinger 4,949]

Honestly, we should've snagged him off waivers. All Yzerman has to do is tell him, leave your dumb s*** at home, if ANY gets brought here, it's back to waivers (if that is possible.) ....Or it's curtains for you!

[Gniwder 168]

50 minutes ago, 13dangledangle said:

I always love more skill...But this guys an a$$hole, and has been since jr hockey even.  It was actually even a factor for him being drafted too but they took the chance on him anyway.  

With how Yzerman builds a team I see a big 0% chance he brings in a guy like this 

He was a 1st round pick... it's not like Yzerman threw him a bone and drafted him with a 7th. The kid is obviously incredibly skilled. Tied for 4th in scoring among Dmen last year. These kind of players don't just grow on trees.

The crimes against him seem to be as follows:

>suspended for using slurs in juniors (we don't know what those slurs are)
>slammed a door on an official in Arizona
>rode his goalie in NYR for blowing a game, the goalie proceeded to punch him and put him a headlock

Everything else is speculation or hearsay

I'm not seeing how this kid is sucha public enemy that you wouldn't give him a chance on our backend. Everyone does and says some dumb things when they are young men. His crimes are mild compared to some. Probert was a party animal coke fiend on this team. Bertuzzi nearly killed a guy before coming to us. Datsyuk was a proud homophobe.... But now just being outspoken and a republican is enough to get you canceled in this league? Pretty dumb if you ask me.

I'd take a chance on this kid all day. What do we have to lose? Him cussing out Blashill on the bench? I might stand and applaud if he did that to be quite honest... we can't sink any further guys...

 

 

Edited February 11, 2021 by Gniwder

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1 hour ago, LeftWinger said:

Honestly, we should've snagged him off waivers. All Yzerman has to do is tell him, leave your dumb s*** at home, if ANY gets brought here, it's back to waivers (if that is possible.) ....Or it's curtains for you!

The Rangers gave him one chance...then he fought a team mate - Dude's a piece of trash. A sh!t leopard can't change its spots!

[Gniwder 168]

16 hours ago, Wings3:16 said:

The Rangers gave him one chance...then he fought a team mate - Dude's a piece of trash. A sh!t leopard can't change its spots!

"Fought a teammate"

Not according to the Athletic.

Georgiev blew a play and lost the game in OT. DeAngelo gave Georgiev crap about it in the tunnel on the way back to the lockerroom. Georgiev turned around and punched DeAngelo, and then put him in a headlock. K'Andre Miller separated them.

DeAngelo didn't fight anyone. In fact he was the one accosted, whether you think Georgiev was right to do it or not.

Management already had a zero tolerance policy in place for DeAngelo. That if his name came up in any drama he was done. They made good on that policy.

Now after the fact its come out that DeAngelo was well liked by teammates and coaches. He did not have problems with Miller (the black guy) and even collected his first goal puck for him. Kreider didn't have issue with DeAngelo and Kreider didn't assault DeAngelo. And Trouba has come to say they are sad to see him go.

No doubt DeAngelo seems like a hot head and a loud mouth. He doesn't have a filter on twitter, and probably not in the lockerroom either, and it seems like NYR management hated that. Which is kinda surprising since past management put up with Avery for years not too long ago. I really think they backed themselves into a corner by benching DeAngelo early in the season and then issuing the no tolerance policy. When a pissed off TDA rejoined the team and inevitably got into some drama after a loss they had no other option but to stick to their guns and waive him. Now they find themselves in this weird situation where they are going to lose a 60+ pt Dman for nothing. And other teams seem content to let them buy him out. Then TDA will become a bargain Dman in the summer instead of a 4.8 million asset that no one can afford right now.

My personal take is TDA is a low calorie Dman much like Torey Krug. An offensive specialist who you do not want eating big minutes. But if you can shelter him behind say Hronek and Seider, he's probably a helluva bargain point getter to have and use on the PP.

About his personality... what culture and great lockerroom atmosphere are you guys trying to protect? I'm not worried about TDA coming to this team and wrecking anything, because everything's already wrecked. For petes sake we're talking about shipping off half the team and the coach soon anyhow. I for one almost hope he would join this team and ruffle some feathers. Everything about this team from coaching on down is uninspired, lethargic, and passive. This team needs a few players with bluster and cojones. 

[Wings3:16 318]

Ya, chirping his goalie after the guy made a mistake in overtime to lose the game and probably felt like crap as it is, he sounds like a really great guy to have on the team. No thanks!

Being an arsehole to someone and then getting smacked for it doesn't count as being "accosted" to me, sorry. Sounds like he got what he deserved to me.

Edited February 12, 2021 by Wings3:16

[Gniwder 168]

11 minutes ago, Wings3:16 said:

Ya, chirping his goalie after the guy made a mistake in overtime to lose the game and probably felt like crap as it is, he sounds like a really great guy to have on the team. No thanks!

Being an arsehole to someone and then getting smacked for it doesn't count as being "accosted" to me, sorry. Sounds like he got what he deserved to me.

If TDA deserves violence for riding his goalie, then Georgiev definately deserves a few words for blowing the play. You can't have it both ways.

Teammates fight all the time in the NHL. It happens literally in practices every year. And if you think words dont get exchanged in lockerrooms then I think you're a bit naive.

But you literally never see guys treated like cancer and waived for this.... until now. 

[marcaractac 3,962]

25 minutes ago, Gniwder said:

If TDA deserves violence for riding his goalie, then Georgiev definately deserves a few words for blowing the play. You can't have it both ways.

Teammates fight all the time in the NHL. It happens literally in practices every year. And if you think words dont get exchanged in lockerrooms then I think you're a bit naive.

But you literally never see guys treated like cancer and waived for this.... until now. 

Because clearly that was the final straw in a pattern of s***ty behaviour and not just a one off thing. TDA is cancer. That's why he is out of a job. 

[Gniwder 168]

16 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

Because clearly that was the final straw in a pattern of s***ty behaviour and not just a one off thing. TDA is cancer. That's why he is out of a job. 

>multiple suspensions in the OHL

>labeled as a well liked guy by teammates, but prone to immaturity and handling losing badly

>suspensions during his time with TBL

>suspensions during his time with ARZ

At this point he's rightly labeled a hothead. Which brings us to his time with NYR.

>no suspensions for multiple seasons with NYR

Seems like his behavior and maturity has turned a corner. He's having career years and NYR gifts him a big contract.

But now he has a bad start to the season, takes an unsportsmanlike, and gets benched for 2 games. Reacts badly to the benching and then makes a supposed sarcastic comment to Georgiev.

Its hard to understand how this is the "final straw" for NYR. His time there has been without incident until now, and managment even describes him as well liked by teammates and coaches. Really seemed as if he had finally become a big boy and they invested big boy money in him.

What's flying under the radar here is his social media presence. Hes a loud mouth twitter user who supports 45 and denies covid. He even gets into online spats with fans. This gets to the point where NYR bans him from using his social media. But hes polarizing and disliked by much of the fanbase at this point for things completely unrelated to hockey.

Whether NYR will admit it or not, im quite convinced hes gone for this reason. And i dont blame them. You cannot have such a public image and openly be that polarizing online for any company. Social media was the first straws and the georgiev incident was just the final straw and excuse to cut a player hated by the fanbase from the team. 

My point here being: i think its completely short sighted and rudely simplistic to label the guy cancer. In fact hes been described as well liked by teammates pretty much eveywhere hes been. Hes a player who lacked maturity as a younger man, but was turning the corner the past few seasons on that. He shoulda just stayed off twitter the last few seasons. And for that hes stupid. 

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11 minutes ago, Gniwder said:

My point here being: i think its completely short sighted and rudely simplistic to label the guy cancer. In fact hes been described as well liked by teammates pretty much eveywhere hes been. Hes a player who lacked maturity as a younger man, but was turning the corner the past few seasons on that. He shoulda just stayed off twitter the last few seasons. And for that hes stupid. 

That is quite literally the only thing that doesnt describe his locker room cancer quality.  The guys an idiot, whether its on the ice or on social media he is what he is, an idioit.  You claim "HES WELL LIKED BY TEAMMATES"  but I call bull sh*t

[kipwinger 8,518]

Whew! Dodged a bullet on this one. I was advocating trading for DeAngelo a year ago. Now we don't even bother taking him for free. Definitely got that one wrong. It's easy to look as his points and like what you see. I certainly did. But it's pretty clear he's a problem. You don't typically see a team draft a 1st rounder and trade him two years later (after completely dominating) for a 2nd. 

Also, he's basically the Andreas Athanasiou of D-men. He was on the ice for FOUR goals against in one of his last NYR games. Teams target him because he's f*cking terrible at everything aside from the powerplay. Buyer beware.

[Akakabuto 1,748]

What I don't get is if Tony is a garbage teammate and Yzerman traded him away before because of that, why was Yzerman interested in acquiring him again? (As reported by Bob McKenzie who isn't very often wrong.)

[kipwinger 8,518]

3 minutes ago, Akakabuto said:

What I don't get is if Tony is a garbage teammate and Yzerman traded him away before because of that, why was Yzerman interested in acquiring him again? (As reported by Bob McKenzie who isn't very often wrong.)

He's being thorough. If you were a GM with cap space, and you thought MAYBE another team was desperate to get rid of a player, wouldn't you at least call and see what else NYR would be willing to part with to sweeten the pot?

[Akakabuto 1,748]

1 minute ago, kipwinger said:

He's being thorough. If you were a GM with cap space, and you thought MAYBE another team was desperate to get rid of a player, wouldn't you at least call and see what else NYR would be willing to part with to sweeten the pot?

You think the plan was to get assets for taking him off Rangers hands and then sitting him for the rest of the year to then just buy him out? 

[kipwinger 8,518]

2 minutes ago, Akakabuto said:

You think the plan was to get assets for taking him off Rangers hands and then sitting him for the rest of the year to then just buy him out? 

I don't know what Yzerman is thinking. Wouldn't pretend to. But there's no harm in checking in on the guy. Like I said, maybe NYR is motivated to move him. Maybe the controversy around him is overblown. Maybe he's worth taking at a reduced cap hit and flipping at next year's trade deadline. Maybe he takes this as a wakeup call and changes his behavior. You don't know unless you inquire.

[kliq 3,755]

I dont want him.

Even though I dont agree with him, I dont care so much about his political views, but the guy just seems like an awful teammate. He needs to go to a team with a strong leadership (think the Wings in '02 with Yzerman, Chelios, Hull etc.) as we saw how it worked with Avery. Putting him on a team with Larkin as the leader is just asking for issues.

[Akakabuto 1,748]

31 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

I don't know what Yzerman is thinking. Wouldn't pretend to. But there's no harm in checking in on the guy. Like I said, maybe NYR is motivated to move him. Maybe the controversy around him is overblown. Maybe he's worth taking at a reduced cap hit and flipping at next year's trade deadline. Maybe he takes this as a wakeup call and changes his behavior. You don't know unless you inquire.

All of the above is of course entirely possible. I guess I just read the rumor as the Red Wings were interested in him as a hockey player.

[kipwinger 8,518]

1 hour ago, Akakabuto said:

All of the above is of course entirely possible. I guess I just read the rumor as the Red Wings were interested in him as a hockey player.

He WOULD help their power play. But then again so would I.

[Akakabuto 1,748]

Tony DeAngelo bares his soul in first comments since Rangers exile

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Marc Staal is as well respected around the league as it gets. He was DeAngelo’s on-ice partner most of the past two seasons before the veteran was sent to Detroit this offseason. The pair developed a bond off the ice, as well.

“There has never been any indication at all that Tony has racist tendencies,” No. 18 told The Post. “I hear these things about him, and it’s as if they’re talking about a different person. The guys here in Detroit, they’re all super-curious about him.

“I feel bad for him, to be honest. Whether it’s the junior stuff that warps into this, I don’t know. He’s a lightning rod, and yeah, he yells at coaches and referees and he has these moments where he goes overboard, but he’s a good teammate.

“Racist? I’m telling you, some of this stuff is just insane.”

 

 

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There is a narrative, too, that DeAngelo’s political beliefs were divisive in the room. There is another one that he is being persecuted for them.

“I don’t believe that,” he said.

Staal doesn’t believe it, either.

“The last few years especially, since Trump, there’s been a lot of back-and-forth from both sides in conversations within the room,” No. 18 said. “But guys never got offended. Tony doesn’t back down, that’s just who he is, but politics never became an issue on our team.”

 

 

[kipwinger 8,518]

So he’s not a victim of political persecution, he’s just an assh*le?

[LeftWinger 4,949]

I would still like him here...sorry, don't want to offend anyone, but if he a Staal played as linemates the last 2 seasons, it would only HELP this team more because you could expect for TDA to play with him here (barring Blashill screwing things up) and he would have similar on ice output. I say trade them one of our 3rds and get him and a 4th. The only thing this would do for the expansion draft is expose both Lindstrom and Cholowski (in Yzerman was protecting one of those to begin with) and right now, that would not upset me. I like Stecher, Hronek and Merill on this team, next season replace Staal with Seider and the addition of TDA, you cannot argue that the D is better.

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

On 2/12/2021 at 10:30 AM, Gniwder said:

"Fought a teammate"

Not according to the Athletic.

Georgiev blew a play and lost the game in OT. DeAngelo gave Georgiev crap about it in the tunnel on the way back to the lockerroom. Georgiev turned around and punched DeAngelo, and then put him in a headlock. K'Andre Miller separated them.

DeAngelo didn't fight anyone. In fact he was the one accosted, whether you think Georgiev was right to do it or not.

Management already had a zero tolerance policy in place for DeAngelo. That if his name came up in any drama he was done. They made good on that policy.

Now after the fact its come out that DeAngelo was well liked by teammates and coaches. He did not have problems with Miller (the black guy) and even collected his first goal puck for him. Kreider didn't have issue with DeAngelo and Kreider didn't assault DeAngelo. And Trouba has come to say they are sad to see him go.

No doubt DeAngelo seems like a hot head and a loud mouth. He doesn't have a filter on twitter, and probably not in the lockerroom either, and it seems like NYR management hated that. Which is kinda surprising since past management put up with Avery for years not too long ago. I really think they backed themselves into a corner by benching DeAngelo early in the season and then issuing the no tolerance policy. When a pissed off TDA rejoined the team and inevitably got into some drama after a loss they had no other option but to stick to their guns and waive him. Now they find themselves in this weird situation where they are going to lose a 60+ pt Dman for nothing. And other teams seem content to let them buy him out. Then TDA will become a bargain Dman in the summer instead of a 4.8 million asset that no one can afford right now.

My personal take is TDA is a low calorie Dman much like Torey Krug. An offensive specialist who you do not want eating big minutes. But if you can shelter him behind say Hronek and Seider, he's probably a helluva bargain point getter to have and use on the PP.

About his personality... what culture and great lockerroom atmosphere are you guys trying to protect? I'm not worried about TDA coming to this team and wrecking anything, because everything's already wrecked. For petes sake we're talking about shipping off half the team and the coach soon anyhow. I for one almost hope he would join this team and ruffle some feathers. Everything about this team from coaching on down is uninspired, lethargic, and passive. This team needs a few players with bluster and cojones. 

So he's the hockey equivalent of Trump. Make Detroit Great Again.

[diehardredwingsfan58 123]

Hmmm DDK on waivers, Could a deal for ADA and DDK go down.