Tony DeAngelo

[GMRwings1983 8,793]

I'll take him. 

If Detroit's goalies were going to put  their own defensemen in headlocks, they'd have done so by now.

Edited February 15, 2021 by GMRwings1983

[LeftWinger 4,936]

On 2/15/2021 at 1:36 PM, GMRwings1983 said:

I'll take him. 

If Detroit's goalies were going to put  their own defensemen in headlocks, they'd have done so by now.

 

Edited July 22, 2022 by LeftWinger

[Gniwder 168]

On 2/12/2021 at 3:52 PM, 13dangledangle said:

That is quite literally the only thing that doesnt describe his locker room cancer quality.  The guys an idiot, whether its on the ice or on social media he is what he is, an idioit.  You claim "HES WELL LIKED BY TEAMMATES"  but I call bull sh*t

You don't get to pick and choose what is reported. And it's been reported that he's well liked by teammates and coaches by every team he's ever played for. From the Rangers to the OHL. Sorry that doesn't align with your dog piling internet witch hunt agenda...

Now even Marc Staal is coming forward speaking up for the guy.

On 2/12/2021 at 4:05 PM, kipwinger said:

Whew! Dodged a bullet on this one. I was advocating trading for DeAngelo a year ago. Now we don't even bother taking him for free. Definitely got that one wrong. It's easy to look as his points and like what you see. I certainly did. But it's pretty clear he's a problem. You don't typically see a team draft a 1st rounder and trade him two years later (after completely dominating) for a 2nd. 

Also, he's basically the Andreas Athanasiou of D-men. He was on the ice for FOUR goals against in one of his last NYR games. Teams target him because he's f*cking terrible at everything aside from the powerplay. Buyer beware.

I agree with your assessment of his play. He's much like Torey Krug IMO. PP specialist, offensive weapon. We don't really need that on this team right now. That type of player is the cherry on top of the sundae. We hardly even have a bowl yet...

However, we're not talking about Krug at $6.5 for 7 years. I would've taken that player at $4.8 mil for 1 and a half seasons. And best believe I'll be piping up to sign him this summer when he's bought out and signing somewhere for $1 million for 1 year.

It's slowly coming out exactly how overblown his personal characteristics are. This is exactly the prime reclamation project we want. Heaven forbid this team receives a player that is outspoken and stubborn.... our powerplay is our enforcer and our passivity is outweighted by our skill per usual.

On 2/12/2021 at 4:41 PM, kliq said:

I dont want him.

Even though I dont agree with him, I dont care so much about his political views, but the guy just seems like an awful teammate. He needs to go to a team with a strong leadership (think the Wings in '02 with Yzerman, Chelios, Hull etc.) as we saw how it worked with Avery. Putting him on a team with Larkin as the leader is just asking for issues.

I truly believe the exact opposite. He needs to be on a team with strong leadership like how it worked with Avery? How long did Avery work exactly? If I recall correctly he never played 82 games in Detroit.

Because a HOF team doesn't need a divisive personality like Avery around. It's not about the leadership compensating for his personality, it's about not needing that personality at all in that lockerroom.

We do not currently enjoy that luxury.

What this team needs is strong personalities. Culture. Attitude. Confidence. Swagger. You're worried this will piss off Larkin? Guess what... Larkin is a loser and will always be a loser if he's continually coddled and insulated. Well you know, Namestnikov isn't that good, but boy he sure is agreeable. Lotta good that has done.

Folks fail to remember that the foundations of the red wings dynasty were built on the backs of men who pissed in other guys cheerios. Only after men like Probert, Kocur, and Gallant shepherded this team into modernity did we have the balls to say "our PP is our enforcer".

The only player with any sort of nuts on this team is Bertuzzi and it shows. DeAngelo has nuts just like Bertuzzi. I welcome this, not shy from it.  

[kipwinger 8,495]

13 minutes ago, Gniwder said:

You don't get to pick and choose what is reported. And it's been reported that he's well liked by teammates and coaches by every team he's ever played for. From the Rangers to the OHL. Sorry that doesn't align with your dog piling internet witch hunt agenda...

Now even Marc Staal is coming forward speaking up for the guy.

I agree with your assessment of his play. He's much like Torey Krug IMO. PP specialist, offensive weapon. We don't really need that on this team right now. That type of player is the cherry on top of the sundae. We hardly even have a bowl yet...

However, we're not talking about Krug at $6.5 for 7 years. I would've taken that player at $4.8 mil for 1 and a half seasons. And best believe I'll be piping up to sign him this summer when he's bought out and signing somewhere for $1 million for 1 year.

It's slowly coming out exactly how overblown his personal characteristics are. This is exactly the prime reclamation project we want. Heaven forbid this team receives a player that is outspoken and stubborn.... our powerplay is our enforcer and our passivity is outweighted by our skill per usual.

I truly believe the exact opposite. He needs to be on a team with strong leadership like how it worked with Avery? How long did Avery work exactly? If I recall correctly he never played 82 games in Detroit.

Because a HOF team doesn't need a divisive personality like Avery around. It's not about the leadership compensating for his personality, it's about not needing that personality at all in that lockerroom.

We do not currently enjoy that luxury.

What this team needs is strong personalities. Culture. Attitude. Confidence. Swagger. You're worried this will piss off Larkin? Guess what... Larkin is a loser and will always be a loser if he's continually coddled and insulated. Well you know, Namestnikov isn't that good, but boy he sure is agreeable. Lotta good that has done.

Folks fail to remember that the foundations of the red wings dynasty were built on the backs of men who pissed in other guys cheerios. Only after men like Probert, Kocur, and Gallant shepherded this team into modernity did we have the balls to say "our PP is our enforcer".

The only player with any sort of nuts on this team is Bertuzzi and it shows. DeAngelo has nuts just like Bertuzzi. I welcome this, not shy from it.  

I'd probably stay away from him, but maybe I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. I suppose it comes down to what NYR wants for him. I'd hate to lose a decent prospect (like we did with Regula for Perlini) only to have Tony D wash out. However you're right, maybe this is all completely overblown (as Staal indicates) and he's a prime reclamation project. If they trade for him and shelter him on the 3rd pair I'm not gonna throw fits or anything but we already get pinned into our zone a lot. Going to be WAY worse with him on the ice.

Worth noting that when talking about Cholowski a few weeks ago Blashill said (I'm paraphrasing) "we want him to be an ELITE powerplay quarterback. His offense needs to make up for his defensive lapses". That pretty much describes Deangelo FWIW.

[Akakabuto 1,744]

6 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

Worth noting that when talking about Cholowski a few weeks ago Blashill said (I'm paraphrasing) "we want him to be an ELITE powerplay quarterback. His offense needs to make up for his defensive lapses".

Talk about a pipe dream. 

[kipwinger 8,495]

2 minutes ago, Akakabuto said:

Talk about a pipe dream. 

I don't really understand Cholowski. He's reasonably big, really fast, has good offensive instincts, and doesn't seem to be as stupid as most pro athletes. I don't get why he's not in the NHL. I get that he's not Seider defensively, but you'd have to think he'd be able to manage that side of the game well enough to be a bottom pair d-man in the NHL.

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6 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

I'd probably stay away from him, but maybe I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. I suppose it comes down to what NYR wants for him. I'd hate to lose a decent prospect (like we did with Regula for Perlini) only to have Tony D wash out. However you're right, maybe this is all completely overblown (as Staal indicates) and he's a prime reclamation project. If they trade for him and shelter him on the 3rd pair I'm not gonna throw fits or anything but we already get pinned into our zone a lot. Going to be WAY worse with him on the ice.

Worth noting that when talking about Cholowski a few weeks ago Blashill said (I'm paraphrasing) "we want him to be an ELITE powerplay quarterback. His offense needs to make up for his defensive lapses". That pretty much describes Deangelo FWIW.

I appreciate your impartiality.

I was as shocked as anyone when DeAngelo cleared. I often forget that this league isn't soley a skill based league. It's a TV show we watch for entertainment. The built up hatred by fans for DeAngelo is impressive and I don't think any teams PR group or marketing team wanted to touch him with a grinch long pole. The accusations of racism continue despite his teammates vouching for him. There's really not much you can do with that at this point from a marketing perspective.

Still agree with you about his play. I'd just point out that Cholo doesn't look to be capable of 53 pts in 68 games. DeAngelo has done this. At a bargain price I'd allow him to do this for us even if we have to shelter him behind Hronek and Seider in the near future.

[Gniwder 168]

4 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

I don't really understand Cholowski. He's reasonably big, really fast, has good offensive instincts, and doesn't seem to be as stupid as most pro athletes. I don't get why he's not in the NHL. I get that he's not Seider defensively, but you'd have to think he'd be able to manage that side of the game well enough to be a bottom pair d-man in the NHL.

I've never seen a Dman more prone to panic than Cholowski. And we had Brendan Smith on this team for how many seasons? His composure is non-existent. Maybe he grows out of it, I just doubt it. He needs to make about 10 years of progress in that department in about 2 seasons. The guy abandoned the NCAA to go back to the CHL for good reason. He's completely exposed when any sort of higher level pressure is applied. I really don't see a future for him in this league.

[Akakabuto 1,744]

1 hour ago, kipwinger said:

I don't really understand Cholowski. He's reasonably big, really fast, has good offensive instincts, and doesn't seem to be as stupid as most pro athletes. I don't get why he's not in the NHL. I get that he's not Seider defensively, but you'd have to think he'd be able to manage that side of the game well enough to be a bottom pair d-man in the NHL.

Saying publicly that he needs to become a "elite" offensive defenseman to play in the NHL is dumb in my opinion. I don't think thats the right kind of pressure.

[LeftWinger 4,936]

all of this is why Blashill is THE problem. Just get this season over with. It's obvious Yzerman is not going to make any moves (acquiring) to make this team better this shortened season, he isn't going to fire Blashill and staff, so lets just get to the TDL and get some picks, get the season over, PLEASE win a top 3 lottery pick and CLEAN HOUSE (coaches and some pending UFA's) over the summer. I am just so frustrated (again) watching this season. We have better players than last season, and Blashill (and Co.) have not made this team perform any better. I hate this coaching staff. It's time for a sweeping change.

[Gniwder 168]

34 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

all of this is why Blashill is THE problem. Just get this season over with. It's obvious Yzerman is not going to make any moves (acquiring) to make this team better this shortened season, he isn't going to fire Blashill and staff, so lets just get to the TDL and get some picks, get the season over, PLEASE win a top 3 lottery pick and CLEAN HOUSE (coaches and some pending UFA's) over the summer. I am just so frustrated (again) watching this season. We have better players than last season, and Blashill (and Co.) have not made this team perform any better. I hate this coaching staff. It's time for a sweeping change.

>Blash re-signed
>Buncha stop gaps signed

This isn't your fathers panzer tier tanking. This is modern M1 Abrams level tanking. Yzerman had zero intention of improving this roster this offseason beyond installing a supporting cast who won't be completely obliterated and may be trade-able down the road.

The moment he re-signed Blash was pretty much a dead giveaway that this thing isn't over and he wants more cups in the cupboard yet.

Now I'm with you that this offseason looks like a pretty clear time to make sweeping changes. Most contracts are ending, including the coach and the Weiss buyout. Just brace yourself... Cause I wouldn't be shocked if Yzerman does this AGAIN. I mean re-sign blash and commit to ANOTHER losing season. I hope I'm wrong and he believes we can turn the corner next year with Raymond and Seider and so on. But I won't be shocked if that's not true. He's only gone through 2 drafts with the Red Wings now. I think you can make a reasonable argument that it may be in his best interest to keep the tank chugging another 2 or 3 seasons on top of this.

God that will suck.

 

[LeftWinger 4,936]

7 minutes ago, Gniwder said:

God that will suck.

 

sums it up right here...

[Akakabuto 1,744]

1 hour ago, LeftWinger said:

all of this is why Blashill is THE problem. Just get this season over with. It's obvious Yzerman is not going to make any moves (acquiring) to make this team better this shortened season, he isn't going to fire Blashill and staff, so lets just get to the TDL and get some picks, get the season over, PLEASE win a top 3 lottery pick and CLEAN HOUSE (coaches and some pending UFA's) over the summer. I am just so frustrated (again) watching this season. We have better players than last season, and Blashill (and Co.) have not made this team perform any better. I hate this coaching staff. It's time for a sweeping change.

Hear, hear.

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

DeAngelo is exactly the kind of risks the team should be taking. What's the worst that could happen? It makes the team worse? 

And you don't even have to say anything 'racist' in this day and age to be accused of being one. Just having certain social and political opinions makes it automatic. And once you're accused, it doesnt matter after that.

Unless your name is 'Tom Brady'.

Edited February 17, 2021 by Neomaxizoomdweebie

[Gniwder 168]

1 hour ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

DeAngelo is exactly the kind of risks the team should be taking. What's the worst that could happen? It makes the team worse? 

And you don't even have to say anything 'racist' in this day and age to be accused of being one. Just having certain social and political opinions makes it automatic. And once you're accused, it doesnt matter after that.

Unless your name is 'Tom Brady'.

But what if he denies covid?

Racism is a dead meme. We killed it in the 90s and then brought it back in the 2000s strictly for the lols. But it's too overplayed at this point. It's 2020 and denying covid is in.

Would you want a covid denier on this team? Cause DeAngelo is at the cutting edge of covid denialism. I find this to be problematic. As a public sports figure he has a duty not to refute medical science publicly. What if influences fans to not take precautions? What if it leads to the team getting sick? People could die.

[13dangledangle 957]

12 hours ago, Gniwder said:

You don't get to pick and choose what is reported. And it's been reported that he's well liked by teammates and coaches by every team he's ever played for. From the Rangers to the OHL. Sorry that doesn't align with your dog piling internet witch hunt agenda...

Now even Marc Staal is coming forward speaking up for the guy.

I absolutely did not "pick and choose" anything, I simply called bullsh*t on him being an all around well liked teammate.  I personally have never spoken to anyone outside my own hockey club about a teammate of mine poorly, whether they were a loudmouth di*k head or not.  It never left the room.....So that said, I dont believe what teammates are saying, I have seen enough of DeAngelo to know I want no part of the opinionated arsehole.

Talented:  Yes

A**hole:  Yes

 

No thanks

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

5 minutes ago, 13dangledangle said:

I absolutely did not "pick and choose" anything, I simply called bullsh*t on him being an all around well liked teammate.  I personally have never spoken to anyone outside my own hockey club about a teammate of mine poorly, whether they were a loudmouth di*k head or not.  It never left the room.....So that said, I dont believe what teammates are saying, I have seen enough of DeAngelo to know I want no part of the opinionated arsehole.

Talented:  Yes

A**hole:  Yes

 

No thanks

So is being opinionated a bad thing? Or just people whose opinions differ from yours?

[13dangledangle 957]

2 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

So is being opinionated a bad thing? Or just people whose opinions differ from yours?

 Being opinionated is not a bad thing, nor did I say that.  Can it unfortunately show your true colours?  Yes indeed, thus Tony is out of a job. 

Im starting to see how you guys have drove everyone away from here LOL 

[marcaractac 3,961]

18 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

all of this is why Blashill is THE problem. Just get this season over with. It's obvious Yzerman is not going to make any moves (acquiring) to make this team better this shortened season, he isn't going to fire Blashill and staff, so lets just get to the TDL and get some picks, get the season over, PLEASE win a top 3 lottery pick and CLEAN HOUSE (coaches and some pending UFA's) over the summer. I am just so frustrated (again) watching this season. We have better players than last season, and Blashill (and Co.) have not made this team perform any better. I hate this coaching staff. It's time for a sweeping change.

The team IS playing better though. With the exception of having 5 guys out for Covid, it's been all competitive, 1 goal games. They reduced their goals against by nearly an entire goal. 

The team struggles to score. That's it. And that is simply a lack of firepower. Coaching can't fix that. Ryan has been the only offensive addition, and he has been playing well. Bert is also out for an extended period. 

Most improvements have been made on the blueline. Hence why the team is better defensively. There are still no offensive dmen outside of Hronek on the team. That's where the struggle to score begins. 

The roster is still a bottom 5 roster in the league. Albeit a much more competitive one than last year, and a big part of that is COACHING. No coach is gonna come to Detroit and make the team any noticeably better. The roster is the problem, and Yzerman is only in year #2 of his rebuild. Get used to it, because we have a couple years of this left yet. With or without a new coaching staff. 

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

10 hours ago, 13dangledangle said:

 Being opinionated is not a bad thing, nor did I say that.  Can it unfortunately show your true colours?  Yes indeed, thus Tony is out of a job. 

Im starting to see how you guys have drove everyone away from here LOL 

You said "opinionated arsehole". That was meant to be derogatory. If it wasnt, then why use the term 'opinionated'?

And What 'true colors' are you talking about? Opinionated and outspoken people also tend to be very passionate. This team needs 'passion' right now.

Edited February 18, 2021 by Neomaxizoomdweebie

[kipwinger 8,495]

1 hour ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

You said "opinionated arsehole". That was meant to be derogatory. If it wasnt, then why use the term 'opinionated'?

And What 'true colors' are you talking about? Opinionated and outspoken people also tend to be very passionate. This team needs 'passion' right now.

I know you'll trip over yourself to make the case that some right-winger is being mistreated but it's simply not the case here. Everyone in the know, including Deangelo, has said they don't believe that his political/social beliefs had anything to do with it. So just stop.

Deangelo was waived because he's a prick. Staal said that despite being a good guy, Deangelo goes over the line yelling at coaches and refs. We all know that Deangelo smarted off to a young goalie who just made a critical mistake (costing his team the game) and got punched for it. You're not going to get far in the NHL if you alienate teammates, coaches, and refs. This is EXACTLY the same problem that Evander Kane has, and he's fairly left-wing. Yet you're not out here making up false narratives about how Kane is being "mislabeled" or whatever.

Edited February 18, 2021 by kipwinger

[13dangledangle 957]

1 hour ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

You said "opinionated arsehole". That was meant to be derogatory. If it wasnt, then why use the term 'opinionated'?

And What 'true colors' are you talking about? Opinionated and outspoken people also tend to be very passionate. This team needs 'passion' right now.

That was because he gave his unneeded opinion to Georgiev-Say what you will but his comments were not necessary at that point in time and by now he should know to shut his mouth.  His opinions outside of hockey doesn't help his image either but Im not referring to those opinions.  He's a great player, albeit he is defensive liability the fact he can put up 53 points in 68 games allows it to be accepted. 

There is 100% a divide on those who like\want him on their team, they waived him and not one team picked him up which should be a pretty good indicator that is it not my own lonely opinion.    

[Gniwder 168]

12 hours ago, 13dangledangle said:

I absolutely did not "pick and choose" anything, I simply called bullsh*t on him being an all around well liked teammate.  I personally have never spoken to anyone outside my own hockey club about a teammate of mine poorly, whether they were a loudmouth di*k head or not.  It never left the room.....So that said, I dont believe what teammates are saying, I have seen enough of DeAngelo to know I want no part of the opinionated arsehole.

Talented:  Yes

A**hole:  Yes

 

No thanks

> it's reported he's a loudmouth, emotional, prone to outbursts
> confirmed by this recent incident and his waiving
You believe this
> It's reported that despite this he's well liked by his teammates
> confirmed by current and past teammates and teams
You don't believe this

Forgive me, but you can see why it looks to me like your picking and choosing the information that helps confirm what you've already decided to be true.

Now I'm not denying that he has a polarizing personality. I've seen the tweets. I've seen the history of suspensions. There seems to be a lack of composure with his emotional control there. He's very opinionated and doesn't back down from those opinions. IMO I see those qualities as a double edged sword. It's good to have a guy with such a high level of passion and conviction, but his lack of maturity to know when and how to display it obviously gets him into trouble in a professional setting. They've said when the team is winning TDA is one of the best guys to have around, but when the team is losing he does not handle it well.

Furthermore, I won't also pretend that every player on that Rags team loved him. No group of 30 guys is gonna get along perfectly all the time. Some are better friends than others. But no team has ever reported him having deep strifes in the lockerroom with anyone. There was an attempt at it with some bad reporting that tried to suggest he was a bully to K'Andre Miller, implying racism. The team and other players have said that's completely false. And in fact DeAngelo took Miller under his wing when he came up the ranks and even collected his first goal puck for him.

The point I'm taking forever to make is, like with most things, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Is he a conservative Qanon type guy who has maturity issues both online and on the ice? Absolutely seems to be the case. Is he a racist cancer that everyone hates? I'm not buying that at this point.

Much like the John Chyaka situation in Arizona, everyone flipped on him for abandoning the team. Now that the dust is settling folks are realizing that there's a lot more to the story and the whole organizational structure has a cancer in it. Johnny may just have been trying to jump off a sinking ship before it went down.

I think the Rags hated DeAngelo's twitter presence and how pissed their fanbase was about it. I know I would as a team from NYC. I think they worked on his maturity issues and it seemed to be going well for a long time there. Then the suspension, benching, and incident culminated quickly in them having to make good on their promise to waive him if any funny business occurred. I'm sure they did not make the decision to waive a young 60 pt Dman easily, but integrity by management has to be maintained at that point.

It's a sucky situation. DeAngelo lost. The Rags lost... but someone this offseason might win walking into a cheap potentional 60 pt Dman. I wouldn't mind winning something like that for once as a modern Wings fan.

5 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

I know you'll trip over yourself to make the case that some right-winger is being mistreated but it's simply not the case here. Everyone in the know, including Deangelo, has said they don't believe that his political/social beliefs had anything to do with it. So just stop.

Deangelo was waived because he's a prick. Staal said that despite being a good guy, Deangelo goes over the line yelling at coaches and refs. We all know that Deangelo smarted off to a young goalie who just made a critical mistake (costing his team the game) and got punched for it. You're not going to get far in the NHL if you alienate teammates, coaches, and refs. This is EXACTLY the same probably Evander Kane has, and he's fairly left-wing. Yet you're not out here making up false narratives about how Kane is being "mislabeled" or whatever.

I doubt the Rags organization cares to discriminate against TDA over his social political beliefs. However, social media presence was issue there. To the point that they instructed him to log off and end his account. Really really dumb on his part. Guy his age should know - especially as a public figure - you're gonna get put through the ringer and possibly lose business if you pop off online.

I would take Evander Kane in a heart beat. I disagree with a lot of his politics, and his gambling issues seem to be a big problem. But he's got swagger and can play. That's all I really need from him personally. Then we can assemble a dark army of black players and ice the fab 5. Long shorts, black socks, and we can put Fubu on the helmets. Baller.

[Gniwder 168]

19 minutes ago, 13dangledangle said:

That was because he gave his unneeded opinion to Georgiev-Say what you will but his comments were not necessary at that point in time and by now he should know to shut his mouth.  His opinions outside of hockey doesn't help his image either but Im not referring to those opinions.  He's a great player, albeit he is defensive liability the fact he can put up 53 points in 68 games allows it to be accepted. 

There is 100% a divide on those who like\want him on their team, they waived him and not one team picked him up which should be a pretty good indicator that is it not my own lonely opinion.    

Meh, him riding Georgiev certainly isn't a good look, but nothing I flip out over personally. Guys talk, guys fight, it's an intense game, it happens. I'm not all that impressed with Georgiev's reaction either, but again, guys fight, hug it out, move on. It happens.

The waiver thing is being overstated. DeAngelo isn't an ELC contract. It's a multi year $5 million. Only 4 teams can fit that under the cap right now: Devils, Sens, Kings, Wings. None of those teams are in a win now situation, and with covid and actual cash tight, almost no one wants to add big cap hits especially with a risky player. Contracts have to go back the other way. But based on how the Rangers are negotiating (not wanting cash back) I doubt they're gonna find a dance partner and will have to buy him out. Someone will then leap on ADA this offseason for cheap I suspect.

[13dangledangle 957]

7 minutes ago, Gniwder said:

The point I'm taking forever to make is, like with most things, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Is he a conservative Qanon type guy who has maturity issues both online and on the ice? Absolutely seems to be the case. Is he a racist cancer that everyone hates? I'm not buying that at this point.

I agree with this.  I dont believe everyone hates him, I think like you said on any team there are players that obviously wont be best friends, or friends at all and thats ok.  Tony is a risk/reward guy, but considering how our "kids" are going to be making up the majority of our roster for the next while I dont think its in the best interest of their development to take that risk on him, he may have a negative impact on the build.