krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted July 16, 2021 Basically Svechnikov and 52nd overall... Would have been a nice addition to the blueline... Oh well... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted July 16, 2021 YGuy must be patiently waiting for Dougie HAM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted July 16, 2021 26 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: YGuy must be patiently waiting for Dougie HAM What was it with him - something like 'culture' and 'museums' that Calgary didn't have, but Raleigh does? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted July 16, 2021 6 hours ago, The 91 of Ryans said: YGuy must be patiently waiting for Dougie HAM Fuuuuu** that... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted July 16, 2021 19 hours ago, BarkBurgerman said: Wild Bosses Wanted Parise And Suter Gone Rather have Seider learning from a 300 year old Marc Staal. At least he acts like a professional and a teammate. Culture matters. Unity matters. Feeling good about yourself and your teammates and your team and your organization matters. You want good energy. You want each and every person to be ride-or-die for any and every other person. You want a great big Family unit. You want everyone pulling in the same direction – because they *want* to. Brotherly blood, brotherly sweat, brotherly tears. When you win, it's a collective brotherly triumph. When you lose, you've failed your family. I honestly think the Babcock era Wings didn't have that. And I honestly think that's the main reason why we only got one Cup out of all those stacked lineups. I can't even really blame Babcock; if you're getting paid to be you (in Babcock's case, an alleged thunderprick of epic proportions), you're not going to try to be someone else. If the players don't like it, they can complain to the GM. My understanding is Red Wings players did complain to the GM...and that the GM's answer was basically "Winning culture. Get f***ed." I've gone out of my way to defend Holland on the basis that Holland = winning culture = good. But the older I get, the more I question that math. Lately I'm thinking the Wings' vaunted winning culture is largely a myth. Suter and Parise, for example. If they are in fact colossal jackwagons, that's something that would've been known back in 2012, when we tried to sign them. There's a behind the scenes clip from this past season that's stuck with me. Gagner was mic'd up for the game. Everyone's in the locker room and getting ready to go out and hit the ice for warmups. He asks how someone's doing, might've been DeKeyser. DeKeyser says, "Doesn't matter." Gagner asks again, ostensibly because he didn't catch the reply. "Doesn't matter," DeKeyser repeats. Can't read too much into a five-second locker room exchange during the back half of a tank season. But I will say this much: Seider and Raymond will be bringing different energy. I dunno that Holland-->Yzerman is an upgrade in the culture cultivation department. In theory, he is. I hope he is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted July 16, 2021 16 hours ago, F.Michael said: What was it with him - something like 'culture' and 'museums' that Calgary didn't have, but Raleigh does? Warm bikini laden beaches vs. frozen tundra and parkas. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted July 16, 2021 5 hours ago, BarkBurgerman said: From Freidman's 31 thoughts column: Logical next step to assembling Larkin & Friends Not that it bothers me, but why is it we're always reading "but Detroit is in the mix" when it comes to Hyman? Does Yzerman really have interest, or is Freidman collecting a finders/advertising fee here for his mensch Hyman? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
town123 175 Report post Posted July 16, 2021 I'll bet $8 Canadian colourful dollars that Stevie Y signs Hymen to a 5x5 and then turns around and sends him to the Leafs (50% salary retained) for their next three 1st rounders plus Sandin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,959 Report post Posted July 16, 2021 3 hours ago, BarkBurgerman said: Former Red Wing darling, check Lefty defense, check Old and past his prime, check Edmonton. That's Holland's checklist. So! Welcome to the pre-expansion draft protection list submission trade deadline! Let's get this ball (puck) rolling!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mackel 681 Report post Posted July 17, 2021 (edited) Leddy for Panik and the EDM 2nd Edited July 17, 2021 by mackel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted July 17, 2021 1 amato reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted July 17, 2021 Just now, krsmith17 said: Unspectacular move IMO. Yzerman must figure he can get at least a 52OA back for Leddy at the deadline. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted July 17, 2021 we basically traded mantha for vrana, a 1st, and Leddy now. awesome trade imo. didn't really see a spot in the lineup Panik was good for anyway. Leddy will be a solid mentor for the young d-men, and isn't even that old himself. Still plenty of good hockey left in him. 3 CupCrazy22, Akakabuto and The 91 of Ryans reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mackel 681 Report post Posted July 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: Unspectacular move IMO. Yzerman must figure he can get at least a 52OA back for Leddy at the deadline. Hopefully... seems like we should have got the sweetener not the Isles. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted July 17, 2021 I guess we have a solid LHD vet to pair with Seider. Leddy is a good player. Looks like 50% salary retained on Panic too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted July 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: I guess we have a solid LHD vet to pair with Seider. Leddy is a good player. Looks like 50% salary retained on Panic too. this is what i was thinking. a young ish vet to pair with seider. leddy is a solid puck mover too.. will help seider's development when he gets to the nhl imo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arag 308 Report post Posted July 17, 2021 Alec Martinez would have been better and without a need to give up a draft pick. 2 F.Michael and krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted July 17, 2021 Just now, arag said: Alec Martinez would have been better and without a need to give up a draft pick. Yeah, this is where I'm at as well. I don't hate the addition of Leddy, but there were cheaper options going to be available in free agency. If we were adding assets, great, otherwise should have waited until after the expansion draft / free agency. This also puts another wrinkle in the protection list for D. Two of Stecher, Cholowski and Lindstrom will be exposed. Also retaining salary on Panik. I can't help but think Yzerman may have lost this trade. The only way to get back in the win column is if Leddy is flipped for a 2nd (or 1st) round pick at the deadline... 1 mackel reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arag 308 Report post Posted July 17, 2021 5 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: Yeah, this is where I'm at as well. I don't hate the addition of Leddy, but there were cheaper options going to be available in free agency. If we were adding assets, great, otherwise should have waited until after the expansion draft / free agency. This also puts another wrinkle in the protection list for D. Two of Stecher, Cholowski and Lindstrom will be exposed. Also retaining salary on Panik. I can't help but think Yzerman may have lost this trade. The only way to get back in the win column is if Leddy is flipped for a 2nd (or 1st) round pick at the deadline... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arag 308 Report post Posted July 17, 2021 Now Y has to protect Leddy unless he is planning to package him in another multi player trade. There are plenty of average ufa d man that can be flipped at deadline for second round picks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted July 17, 2021 (edited) Leddy's reaction when hearing about the trade ... But I agree with others - why trade for a guy with 1 year left on his contract when we could've signed Martinez ? Edited July 17, 2021 by F.Michael Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted July 17, 2021 11 minutes ago, F.Michael said: Leddy's reaction when hearing about the trade ... But I agree with others - why trade for a guy with 1 year left on his contract when we could've signed Martinez ? i had the martinez thought immediately. but it's probably his last chance at a long-ish term deal.. and someone will likely give him one since, free agency. also, he's four (or so?) years older than Leddy.. could've been a factor. 1 F.Michael reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted July 17, 2021 18 minutes ago, F.Michael said: Leddy's reaction when hearing about the trade ... But I agree with others - why trade for a guy with 1 year left on his contract when we could've signed Martinez ? 1. He still might sign Martinez 2. Martinez will want 5 x 4 or sonething 3. Leddy is 4 years younger, probably better, and much cheaper in terms of "term" remaining 4. Yzerman probably gets a late 2nd back for Leddy at the 22 TDL. So essentially, you're renting a pretty solid vet for a season at the cost of maybe sliding a bit in the 2nd round. 3 F.Michael, arag and Akakabuto reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arag 308 Report post Posted July 17, 2021 On the positive side. Leddy can be flipped at trade deadline for another second pick for supposedly better 2022 draft. Martinez is still a possibility after we loose LD at expansion. 1 F.Michael reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Lucidi 450 Report post Posted July 17, 2021 1) Leddy helps us hit the cap floor 2) Leddy gets us a 1st rounder at the trade deadline 3) Leddy helps the team for 3/4 2021-22 season Yzerman just made another great move. 4 Akakabuto, BarkBurgerman, The 91 of Ryans and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
