LeftWinger 4,953 Report post Posted August 25, 2021 (edited) On 8/25/2021 at 11:18 AM, mackel said: Why hasn't NJ tried to sign Quinn? They would have all of the Hughes brothers. Edited July 22, 2022 by LeftWinger 1 Akakabuto reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtlantaHotWings 984 Report post Posted August 25, 2021 4 hours ago, marcaractac said: Not sure what point you're trying to make here. I never said Hronek was on par with nurse offensively. I'm saying Nurse's massive overpayment is gonna affect the market for dmen as a whole. I was simply showing a comparison which highlighted what you were saying that the Nurse contract is going to have Mr Hronek going Hmmmmmm. Statistically they are pretty close and if you take what Bark said earlier in this thread .... Quote "That said, I really think Hronek would be posting close to 50+ pt pace seasons if he played for the Oilers... What I'm suggesting is, Hronek is being held back on the score sheet because the Wings can't finish, and also Nurse's offense is probably a bit inflated because of their roster." They could easily be even in points and once again Hronek says hey I am just as good and deserve equal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted August 25, 2021 17 minutes ago, AtlantaHotWings said: I was simply showing a comparison which highlighted what you were saying that the Nurse contract is going to have Mr Hronek going Hmmmmmm. Statistically they are pretty close and if you take what Bark said earlier in this thread .... They could easily be even in points and once again Hronek says hey I am just as good and deserve equal. Ahhh okay, and yes, I agree. My initial interpretation was that you were pointing out Nurse scoring more, as to say it shouldn't affect Hronek's deal or some s*** haha. Ohhhhh, text. 1 AtlantaHotWings reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted August 25, 2021 4 hours ago, LeftWinger said: I sure was hoping Hronek would come in under $6M, but as stated, the market is going to dictate to overpay him. But in reality he was only on a pace for 38 points last season, total points in total games played in his 3 years thus far is around 47 avg. I sure hope he'll give us a bridge for 2-3 years, but I doubt it. He may be the problem child when it comes to signing. Of course, Yzerman could give him the $7M and then deal him away at the TDL, like Mr. Mantha after he signed the bigger deal. I'll take an offer sheet from someone for about $7.5M to be honest. Here is the compensation and the teams that have the required picks to offer such a contract to an RFA: ...I honestly like that compensation, I'd offer sheet EP40 the max $8.2M to either get him or force Vancouver to match, thus rendering them very unable to re-sign Quinn Hughes this season. Unless Hughes would take a 1 year contract on the CHEAP. Mantha and Hronek situations are totally different. Mantha was a little bit older than the others. He was also lazy, and underperforming. None of this applies to Hronek. He is a valuable part of the future. On 8/24/2021 at 3:23 PM, AtlantaHotWings said: Quick side by side Nurse is also 45 points higher in +/- Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diehardredwingsfan58 123 Report post Posted August 25, 2021 4 hours ago, mackel said: Why hasn't NJ tried to sign Quinn? They would have all of the Hughes brothers. Perhaps because Quinn Hughes hasn't played enough NHL games, Therefore isn't eligible for an offer sheet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted August 26, 2021 Hronek is the first guy who should get a longer term deal IMO. He's pretty proven at this point, and will only get better. Give him term and give him an A. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Lucidi 444 Report post Posted August 26, 2021 2 hours ago, marcaractac said: Hronek is the first guy who should get a longer term deal IMO. He's pretty proven at this point, and will only get better. Give him term and give him an A. I predict 7 years, 35 million. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted August 26, 2021 8 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said: I predict 7 years, 35 million. I'd be happy with that term. Obviously I'd be ecstatic with that cap hit. But I gotta admit, that's way on the low side for Hronek. Be looking at closer to 7 I'd say. Which would be a steal as he enters his prime. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,749 Report post Posted August 26, 2021 When is his ”UFA-year”? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Lucidi 444 Report post Posted August 26, 2021 6 minutes ago, marcaractac said: I'd be happy with that term. Obviously I'd be ecstatic with that cap hit. But I gotta admit, that's way on the low side for Hronek. Be looking at closer to 7 I'd say. Which would be a steal as he enters his prime. I dont think he's going to get that much, tbh. With Seider and Leddy coming on board, Id expect Hronek to see less scoring minutes this season. I think Yzerman will offer 2 contracts - one that keeps him an RFA and has a higher per year in the range of 5.5-6 mil, and one that gives him max term in the range of 5-5.5 mil per. Hronek then will have a chance to poclet 35-40 mil on this contact and another 45-50 mil on his next. He's set to have a handsome career money wise due to developing well early. But he's slated to be our 2A guy in the next couple of years. I think giving him 1st pairing money for a longer term would be a mistake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted August 26, 2021 29 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said: I dont think he's going to get that much, tbh. With Seider and Leddy coming on board, Id expect Hronek to see less scoring minutes this season. I think Yzerman will offer 2 contracts - one that keeps him an RFA and has a higher per year in the range of 5.5-6 mil, and one that gives him max term in the range of 5-5.5 mil per. Hronek then will have a chance to poclet 35-40 mil on this contact and another 45-50 mil on his next. He's set to have a handsome career money wise due to developing well early. But he's slated to be our 2A guy in the next couple of years. I think giving him 1st pairing money for a longer term would be a mistake. The market is what the market is. If you lock him up long term, it's gonna cost. If you give him a short deal now, he could command even MORE on his next contract. I think the safe bet is to lock him up now. But we'll see what happens! 1 Scott R Lucidi reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diehardredwingsfan58 123 Report post Posted August 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Akakabuto said: When is his ”UFA-year”? He has 4 RFA years left so year 5 would be his 1st UFA year. So a 7 year deal eats 4 RFA and 3 UFA years. 1 Akakabuto reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtlantaHotWings 984 Report post Posted August 26, 2021 Saw this during my lunchtime reading of Michigan news sites. https://www.mlive.com/redwings/2021/08/most-improved-player-michael-rasmussen-eager-for-bigger-role-with-red-wings.html My prediction is Hronek 6 x 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Lucidi 444 Report post Posted August 26, 2021 3 hours ago, marcaractac said: The market is what the market is. If you lock him up long term, it's gonna cost. If you give him a short deal now, he could command even MORE on his next contract. I think the safe bet is to lock him up now. But we'll see what happens! Typically Id agree with your assessment provided said player was #1D and was likely to be #1D for contract term. There's a good chance Hronek becomes our #3D THIS YEAR, however. And almost certain chance he's anchoring the 2nd pairing by next season. 2021: Hronek-Leddy Seider-Staal Lindstrom-Oesterle 2022: Seider-Leddy Hronek-Edvinsson Lindstrom-Johansson 2023 -: Seider-Edvinsson Hronek-Johannson Lindstrom-McIsaac I would be surprised if Hronek gets more than 5 per on a long term deal. 6 per on a short term deal wouldnt surprise me. I think he'd be smart to sign through ufa status and play his ass off. By age 26, he could be making a strong case for 8-9 mil on the open market. If Im Yzerman, Im doing my best to have the best #3 dman in the league making #3 dman money. 1 Rick D reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,953 Report post Posted August 27, 2021 This is moreso 2022 draft, but am I the only one feeling that Brad Lambert is the way to go instead of Shane Wright? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,522 Report post Posted August 28, 2021 Carolina straight up f*cking Montreal in retribution for MTL offersheeting Aho. This is why you don’t see offersheets. 2 Akakabuto and amato reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted August 28, 2021 14 minutes ago, kipwinger said: Carolina straight up f*cking Montreal in retribution for MTL offersheeting Aho. This is why you don’t see offersheets. This is one of many reasons it would be dumb to offer sheet Pettersson... If Yzerman were to do it, Benning would match, and offer sheet Raymond in a few years when he's eligible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,953 Report post Posted August 28, 2021 Shots fired! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,749 Report post Posted August 28, 2021 1 hour ago, kipwinger said: Carolina straight up f*cking Montreal in retribution for MTL offersheeting Aho. Love it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted August 28, 2021 1 hour ago, LeftWinger said: Shots fired! Shots were already fired. This is returning fire. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,522 Report post Posted August 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Akakabuto said: Love it. Damn, I didn't see this. Trolling at its finest. Carolina became a lot more fun once Dundon bought the team. 3 Akakabuto, BarkBurgerman and amato reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,522 Report post Posted August 29, 2021 This just keeps getting better... 1 amato reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted August 29, 2021 (edited) Carolina is still owed for signing Fedorov to an offer sheet. I guess with Karmanos out of there it would be moot now. I still think Waddell is not a very good GM, but this definitely took some balls. Bergevin is a man ape. Edited August 29, 2021 by Neomaxizoomdweebie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted August 29, 2021 6 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Carolina is still owed for signing Fedorov to an offer sheet. Agreed (even though Karmonos was the owner back then). And because of this - there were some hard feelings between the Ilitch/Holland camp and Fedorov. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted August 29, 2021 1. Incredible 2. Fu k Marc Bergevan with a St Catherine's St dildo 1 kipwinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
