F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted April 15, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, kipwinger said: If you consider Lundquist and Price two of the top goalies of the modern era (which they pretty clearly are) then they're prime evidence that you shouldn't draft a guy like that in the top five. Neither of those guys have ever won anything. It's not like the old days were a great goalie can drag a mediocre team to success. You NEED to have a good team, and then you can win with a good(ish) but not great goalie. I'd rather be the Blackhawks with Corey Crawford than the Rangers with Lundquist every single time. Edit: Look at the last 10 Cup Champions and only Vasilevsky is a really elite goalie. Maaaaybe Quick too. But nobody else really. Not trying to simplify things, and I'm going out on a limb here by saying this... This uncertain draft class...Would you go for a guy who could be another Larkin or a guy who could be another Lundqvist - keep in mind I'm taking our wonderful lotto luck into consideration and at #4 thru #8 what players might be available for Yzerman. What I'm getting at is many GMs still seem somewhat reluctant in drafting a netminder in the top 10...Why not take one this year considering Wallstedt's upside and the other unknowns with regards to other forwards/defense? Now if there was a clear legit #1 center, or Dman what was deemed generational - then by all means...I'm just suspect at what might be available when the Wings pick...As far as I know - we don't have any true #1 goalie prospect in our system - why not draft one this time around? Edited April 15, 2021 by F.Michael Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,520 Report post Posted April 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, F.Michael said: Not trying to simplify things, and I'm going out on a limb here by saying this... This uncertain draft class...Would you go for a guy who could be another Larkin or a guy who could be another Lundqvist - keep in mind I'm taking our wonderful lotto luck into consideration and at #4 thru #8 what players might be available for Yzerman. What I'm getting at is many GMs still seem somewhat reluctant in drafting a netminder in the top 10...Why not take one this year considering Wallstedt's upside and the other unknowns with regards to other forwards/defense? Because I don't think having an "elite" goalie really matters all that much. I probably wouldn't even draft a goalie in the top part of 1st round if there was some way of knowing FOR SURE that he'd be the next Price. Maybe with a late first rounder, but NEVER with a top pick. Goalies simply don't matter that much. Bernier is currently playing as well, or better, than every top goalie in the league and we got him for peanuts. Our goalie tandem, both free agents, are better than most goalie tandems in the league. There just doesn't seem to be any evidence that elite goaltending matters in this era. Maybe when Hasek was carrying s***ty Buffalo teams to the playoffs, but not now when the worst defensive team (Ottawa) and the best defensive team (Vegas) are separated by about 1.5 goals per game. What that tells me is that even non-elite goalies (and defenses) aren't THAT much worse than elite ones. Pick the center or defenseman. 1 The 91 of Ryans reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted April 15, 2021 6 minutes ago, kipwinger said: Because I don't think having an "elite" goalie really matters all that much. I probably wouldn't even draft a goalie in the top part of 1st round if there was some way of knowing FOR SURE that he'd be the next Price. Maybe with a late first rounder, but NEVER with a top pick. Goalies simply don't matter that much. Bernier is currently playing as well, or better, than every top goalie in the league and we got him for peanuts. Our goalie tandem, both free agents, are better than most goalie tandems in the league. There just doesn't seem to be any evidence that elite goaltending matters in this era. Maybe when Hasek was carrying s***ty Buffalo teams to the playoffs, but not now when the worst defensive team (Ottawa) and the best defensive team (Vegas) are separated by about 1.5 goals per game. What that tells me is that even non-elite goalies (and defenses) aren't THAT much worse than elite ones. Pick the center or defenseman. Do you feel netminders can make the difference, or steal a round, or two in the playoffs? Part of me still thinks they can. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted April 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, F.Michael said: Do you feel netminders can make the difference, or steal a round, or two in the playoffs? Part of me still thinks they can. If I may. I certainly do. But merely good goalies can do this just fine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted April 15, 2021 Just now, The 91 of Ryans said: If I may. I certainly do. But merely good goalies can do this just fine. Indeed...Sens goalie Matt Murray is a good example while he was a Penguin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted April 15, 2021 31 minutes ago, F.Michael said: Indeed...Sens goalie Matt Murray is a good example while he was a Penguin. Perfect example yes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gniwder 168 Report post Posted April 15, 2021 (edited) This is the new face of the Detroit Red Wings Erne - Namestnikov - Panik (The Red Lightning Line) Edited April 15, 2021 by Gniwder 1 kipwinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Y19 2,488 Report post Posted April 16, 2021 Wings are down 1-0 at the end of the 1st. We're somehow outshooting them 7-3, but definitely getting outplayed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Y19 2,488 Report post Posted April 16, 2021 Stecher ties it up on a weird bounce in a 4-on-4 situation! Game tied 1-1 with 15 minutes left in the 2nd period. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Y19 2,488 Report post Posted April 16, 2021 (edited) Vrana nets his first goal as a Red Wing to put the Wings up 2-1! Stecher again! Wings lead 3-1! Edited April 16, 2021 by Y19 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wings3:16 318 Report post Posted April 16, 2021 Vrana has been looking great! 1 Y19 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Y19 2,488 Report post Posted April 16, 2021 Great 2nd period other than two boneheaded "too many men on the ice" penalties. Wings lead 3-1 at the 2nd intermission. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted April 16, 2021 Stecher making a solid case as to why Grand Master Y needs to protect him from the expansion draft. 1 Y19 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Y19 2,488 Report post Posted April 16, 2021 Rasmussen with the ENG to seal the win! Wings lead 4-1 late in the 3rd. 1 F.Michael reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wings3:16 318 Report post Posted April 16, 2021 Three straight...nice to see them playing confident hockey 2 F.Michael and Y19 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Y19 2,488 Report post Posted April 16, 2021 Wings hold on to close out the Hawks 4-1 and win their 3rd straight for the first time this season. Great game! 3 Wings3:16, TheXym and F.Michael reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted April 16, 2021 9 minutes ago, Y19 said: Rasmussen with the ENG to seal the win! Wings lead 4-1 late in the 3rd. Erne with the assist to keep his point streak going. Really solid game! And to think a significant portion of this roster is 21 to 26 years of age...These guys are in the range where for the next 3 to 5 years they'll grow/bond. 1 Y19 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtlantaHotWings 983 Report post Posted April 16, 2021 1 hour ago, F.Michael said: Erne with the assist to keep his point streak going. Really solid game! And to think a significant portion of this roster is 21 to 26 years of age...These guys are in the range where for the next 3 to 5 years they'll grow/bond. Unless they get traded....lol sorry I had to ... 1 F.Michael reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
