bIueadams 776 Report post Posted June 4, 2022 1 hour ago, redw1ngs said: 'build' and 'build around' are 2 very diffrent things. A core of a team is usually what 4 or 5 players? Thats usually your high R1 picks. Your not rounding out top6F/top4D with just R1 picks also need to hit on some later round picks. Were all hoping Berggren Soderblom Wallinder Johansson are those top of the lineup later round picks but nothings certain with any those players either. Not what I meant. Your saying we dont need to draft good in all rounds? Every team spending millions on scouting would disagree. Why do gms acquire picks beyond R1? Why do we even have a draft beyond R1? If you think this team has been good enough finding players in the later rounds i disagree. wHy dO wE EVeN dRAfT? Again, you exaggerate and commit straw man. If you have 5 solid pillar players you don't NEED to hit on anything in the later rounds, as you suggest. You dont even have to hit on your 1sts at that point. I'll let you do the math on why that is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redw1ngs 149 Report post Posted June 9, 2022 Soderblom signed. 3 AtlantaHotWings, mackel and Jonas Mahonas reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,524 Report post Posted July 26, 2022 (edited) As if Scott Wheeler of The Athletic wasn't a big enough clown, here's his top 15 prospects: 1. Owen Power 2. Luke Hughes 3. Shane Wright 4. Simon Nemec 5. Logan Cooley 6. Matt Beniers 7. Kent Johnson 8. Cole Perfetti 9. Matt Savoie 10. Juraj Slafkovsky 11. Jake Sanderson 12. Brandt Clarke 13. Mason McTavish 14. Simon Edvinsson 15. Quinton Byfield North American bias much? Kasper, Wallinder, Sodorblom, and Johansson didn't even make the list of top 50 despite playing at a very high level in one of the best professional leagues in the world. "Sure Elmer Sodorblom was a top 10 goal scorer in the SHL, but how would he do against 16 year old Canadian kids?". Lol Also love how Savoie is higher rated than Slafkovsky despite being significantly lower ranked on Wheeler's own draft ranking (which are only about a month old). Edited July 26, 2022 by kipwinger 1 Akakabuto reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bIueadams 776 Report post Posted July 26, 2022 23 minutes ago, kipwinger said: As if Scott Wheeler of The Athletic wasn't a big enough clown, here's his top 15 prospects: 1. Owen Power 2. Luke Hughes 3. Shane Wright 4. Simon Nemec 5. Logan Cooley 6. Matt Beniers 7. Kent Johnson 8. Cole Perfetti 9. Matt Savoie 10. Juraj Slafkovsky 11. Jake Sanderson 12. Brandt Clarke 13. Mason McTavish 14. Simon Edvinsson 15. Quinton Byfield North American bias much? Kasper, Wallinder, Sodorblom, and Johansson didn't even make the list of top 50 despite playing at a very high level in one of the best professional leagues in the world. "Sure Elmer Sodorblom was a top 10 goal scorer in the SHL, but how would he do against 16 year old Canadian kids?". Lol Also love how Savoie is higher rated than Slafkovsky despite being significantly lower ranked on Wheeler's own draft ranking (which are only about a month old). Wheeler called Soderblom a trash pick last year. Guy is touched by the angels. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted July 26, 2022 5 hours ago, bIueadams said: Wheeler called Soderblom a trash pick last year. Guy is touched by the angels. He also said Seider wasnt going to be a top pair defenseman. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,524 Report post Posted July 27, 2022 (edited) Big if true: I'm trying to find the tweet now to verify its authenticity but I'm told that Rogle's number one center is injured and on the shelf for the season. Could be a HUGE opportunity for both Neiderbach and Kasper. Edit: Edited July 27, 2022 by kipwinger 2 ely s and redw1ngs reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted July 27, 2022 3 hours ago, kipwinger said: Big if true: I'm trying to find the tweet now to verify its authenticity but I'm told that Rogle's number one center is injured and on the shelf for the season. Could be a HUGE opportunity for both Neiderbach and Kasper. Edit: Boom Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diehardredwingsfan58 123 Report post Posted July 28, 2022 5 hours ago, kipwinger said: Big if true: I'm trying to find the tweet now to verify its authenticity but I'm told that Rogle's number one center is injured and on the shelf for the season. Could be a HUGE opportunity for both Neiderbach and Kasper. Edit: Hopefully Kasper takes it and runs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted July 28, 2022 15 hours ago, kipwinger said: Big if true: I'm trying to find the tweet now to verify its authenticity but I'm told that Rogle's number one center is injured and on the shelf for the season. Could be a HUGE opportunity for both Neiderbach and Kasper. Edit: disregard my post in the Hagg thread haha Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,524 Report post Posted August 1, 2022 (edited) And the hits just keep on coming with Scott Wheeler. Today Scott Wheeler re-drafted the 2019 NHL draft. 1. Jack Hughes 2. Trevor Zegras 3. Moritz Seider 4. Matt Boldy 5. Cole Caufield Why (might you ask) is Seider behind Zegras? Because Zegras is "already one of the faces of this sport". I've said before and I'll say again, I hope to one day love anything as much as hockey writers love "the Michigan". Literal children (and guys in wheelchairs too!) do it ever single season, but let one NHL player do it and you'd think they had unlocked the key to nuclear fusion. There are probably not 5 GMs in the league that would rather have Zegras right now over Seider. I'd say it's 50/50 with Seider and Hughes. What a clown. Edited August 1, 2022 by kipwinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted August 1, 2022 10 minutes ago, kipwinger said: And the hits just keep on coming with Scott Wheeler. Today Scott Wheeler re-drafted the 2019 NHL draft. 1. Jack Hughes 2. Trevor Zegras 3. Moritz Seider 4. Matt Boldy 5. Cole Caufield Why (might you ask) is Seider behind Zegras? Because Zegras is "already one of the faces of this sport". I've said before and I'll say again, I hope to one day love anything as much as hockey writers love "the Michigan". Literal children (and guys in wheelchairs too!) do it ever single season, but let one NHL player do it and you'd think they had unlocked the key to nuclear fusion. There are probably not 5 GMs in the league that would rather have Zegras right now over Seider. I'd say it's 50/50 with Seider and Hughes. What a clown. #1 Seider Then the rest... 1 town123 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,524 Report post Posted August 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, F.Michael said: #1 Seider Then the rest... I don't think that Seider is obviously better than Jack Hughes, but I don't think anyone else in the draft class is going before either of them in a re-draft at this point. A point per game center and a top of the league #1 defenseman aren't getting passed over for "flashy top line center who's not as offensively gifted as Hughes and doesn't do anything else particularly well". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted August 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, kipwinger said: I don't think that Seider is obviously better than Jack Hughes, but I don't think anyone else in the draft class is going before either of them in a re-draft at this point. A point per game center and a top of the league #1 defenseman aren't getting passed over for "flashy top line center who's not as offensively gifted as Hughes and doesn't do anything else particularly well". From what little I've seen - Hughes is still built like a 16 yr old who's about to take his driving exam...Talented - indeed, but can he stay healthy for the duration of an arduous 82 game schedule? That's what impressed me about Seider - not only his skillset, physical prowess, but his durability and consistency. 2 ely s and mackel reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,524 Report post Posted August 1, 2022 1 minute ago, F.Michael said: From what little I've seen - Hughes is still built like a 16 yr old who's about to take his driving exam...Talented - indeed, but can he stay healthy for the duration of an arduous 82 game schedule? That's what impressed me about Seider - not only his skillset, physical prowess, but his durability and consistency. Don't get me wrong, I totally agree. I'm not fan of Hughes and was very critical of the hype around him on draft day. I agree that unless he bulks up and learns to play a little tougher he'll get dominated by dudes like Dylan Larkin his whole career. I think he's basically a smaller Mark Scheifele. But I think many GMs still take that risk on draft day if they think they're getting a point per game center. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted August 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, kipwinger said: Don't get me wrong, I totally agree. I'm not fan of Hughes and was very critical of the hype around him on draft day. I agree that unless he bulks up and learns to play a little tougher he'll get dominated by dudes like Dylan Larkin his whole career. I think he's basically a smaller Mark Scheifele. But I think many GMs still take that risk on draft day if they think they're getting a point per game center. Agreed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mackel 681 Report post Posted August 1, 2022 55 minutes ago, kipwinger said: And the hits just keep on coming with Scott Wheeler. Today Scott Wheeler re-drafted the 2019 NHL draft. 1. Jack Hughes 2. Trevor Zegras 3. Moritz Seider 4. Matt Boldy 5. Cole Caufield Why (might you ask) is Seider behind Zegras? Because Zegras is "already one of the faces of this sport". I've said before and I'll say again, I hope to one day love anything as much as hockey writers love "the Michigan". Literal children (and guys in wheelchairs too!) do it ever single season, but let one NHL player do it and you'd think they had unlocked the key to nuclear fusion. There are probably not 5 GMs in the league that would rather have Zegras right now over Seider. I'd say it's 50/50 with Seider and Hughes. What a clown. Scott Wheeler is a fool... thank God I'm not that bad at my job. 1 F.Michael reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted August 2, 2022 Games watched for Scott Wheeler: Anaheim 82. New Jersey 2 vs Anaheim. Detroit 2 vs Anaheim. 1 1 AtlantaHotWings and kipwinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bIueadams 776 Report post Posted August 2, 2022 Seider is #1 in a redraft by me by a good margin. Wheeler is a jack ass creating controversy to get his clicks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,524 Report post Posted August 2, 2022 He's a clown. Not like your boy Pronman though. That dude totally nailed the draft. Literally the only media type out there that predicted Wright falling to 4th. He had Slafkovsky, Jiricek, Cooley, Wright. Pretty solid analysis by Corey there, you have to admit? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted August 2, 2022 This site being down draft week was pretty annoying. I lacked a place to laugh at Wright getting Zadina'd 2 Jonas Mahonas and AtlantaHotWings reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted August 2, 2022 1 hour ago, marcaractac said: This site being down draft week was pretty annoying. I lacked a place to laugh at Wright getting Zadina'd you are always welcome in the discord Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bIueadams 776 Report post Posted August 2, 2022 6 hours ago, marcaractac said: This site being down draft week was pretty annoying. I lacked a place to laugh at Wright getting Zadina'd Mackels in the discord now and keeps asking when ur coming back. Think hes got a man crush on u. 2 Jonas Mahonas and mackel reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bIueadams 776 Report post Posted August 3, 2022 Sebrango earns an A for the WJC. Can someone breakdown this kid for me? Hes been fast tracked very quickly. Getting signed and going to the AHL immedately. Now hes earning these recognitions... i watched him play with the griffins a bit... he looked taxed and very average late in the griffs season to me. But then he was also 19 so i guess thats pretty good for his age range. I shouldve paid this guy more attention i guess. He seems to be a solid darkhorse by his accomplishments. Hes probably in the same mix with Viro and Johansson no? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted August 3, 2022 1 hour ago, bIueadams said: Sebrango earns an A for the WJC. Can someone breakdown this kid for me? Hes been fast tracked very quickly. Getting signed and going to the AHL immedately. Now hes earning these recognitions... i watched him play with the griffins a bit... he looked taxed and very average late in the griffs season to me. But then he was also 19 so i guess thats pretty good for his age range. I shouldve paid this guy more attention i guess. He seems to be a solid darkhorse by his accomplishments. Hes probably in the same mix with Viro and Johansson no? I wouldnt be surprised if Sebrango is right behind Edvinsson in the teams plans right now. He's a pro's pro with lots of poise and leadership, despite the young age. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted August 3, 2022 4 hours ago, bIueadams said: Sebrango earns an A for the WJC. Can someone breakdown this kid for me? Hes been fast tracked very quickly. Getting signed and going to the AHL immedately. Now hes earning these recognitions... i watched him play with the griffins a bit... he looked taxed and very average late in the griffs season to me. But then he was also 19 so i guess thats pretty good for his age range. I shouldve paid this guy more attention i guess. He seems to be a solid darkhorse by his accomplishments. Hes probably in the same mix with Viro and Johansson no? I wouldn't worry about him looking taxed late in the season as it was his first pro season. He'll never score much, but seems poised to develop into a really good defensive dman who will be tough to play against. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites