Fabbri

[Jonas Mahonas 1,680]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.detroitnews.com/amp/6494974001

I think this is a bit of an overpayment, but the term is right.

[F.Michael 4,551]

Good signing for both sides...Fabbri gets a pay raise, and Yzerman doesn't have an albatross of a contract.

[Rick D 299]

This is just a bit more than what Helm/ Abby were making here, and I think he brings a lot more than those guys did. 

This looks like a pretty good deal to me. 

 

[kipwinger 7,734]

This is probably more about organizational culture building than about his actual play (which is neither that bad or that good). But he seems like a good character, embodies the effort and relentlessness Detroit wants to play with, has leadership qualities, and is good buddies with the Captain (who's about to lose another friend to trade). If we were a cap team I'd hate it, but we aren't so I don't care that it's probably a bit too much money. 

[The 91 of Ryans 2,592]

21 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

This is probably more about organizational culture building than about his actual play (which is neither that bad or that good). But he seems like a good character, embodies the effort and relentlessness Detroit wants to play with, has leadership qualities, and is good buddies with the Captain (who's about to lose another friend to trade). If we were a cap team I'd hate it, but we aren't so I don't care that it's probably a bit too much money. 

Fabbri deal = Bertuzzi days numbered for sure IMO

 

 

[kipwinger 7,734]

1 minute ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Fabbri deal = Bertuzzi days numbered for sure IMO

 

 

I think so too. Which sucks, as he's a genuinely important part of the team and a guy you're going to need in the playoffs. Plus he's basically the team's whole identity. I read something from Mlive's beat writer Ansar Khan which basically said that publicly nobody is saying anything but that behind closed doors there's some appetite to trade him after this season's hijinx.

[bIueadams 446]

29 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

This is probably more about organizational culture building than about his actual play (which is neither that bad or that good). But he seems like a good character, embodies the effort and relentlessness Detroit wants to play with, has leadership qualities, and is good buddies with the Captain (who's about to lose another friend to trade). If we were a cap team I'd hate it, but we aren't so I don't care that it's probably a bit too much money. 

 

7 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Fabbri deal = Bertuzzi days numbered for sure IMO

Both wrong. SY re-signed Fabbri to keep Bertuzzi happy. 

[The 91 of Ryans 2,592]

18 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

I think so too. Which sucks, as he's a genuinely important part of the team and a guy you're going to need in the playoffs. Plus he's basically the team's whole identity. I read something from Mlive's beat writer Ansar Khan which basically said that publicly nobody is saying anything but that behind closed doors there's some appetite to trade him after this season's hijinx.

It does suck. I love the guy as a player. And I have learned to live with his 'philosophy on life'. But as long as this team's in the Atlantic and as long as COVID restrictions are in place (see: long time) it is a legit issue that he's going to keep missing games. Plus he's coming up up UFA and probably wants to be paid like a stud that plays 100% of the games. 

All signs point to trade. Maybe to a Metro team that sees a path to the Finals that avoids Toronto............

[kipwinger 7,734]

1 minute ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

It does suck. I love the guy as a player. And I have learned to live with his 'philosophy on life'. But as long as this team's in the Atlantic and as long as COVID restrictions are in place (see: long time) it is a legit issue that he's going to keep missing games. Plus he's coming up up UFA and probably wants to be paid like a stud that plays 100% of the games. 

All signs point to trade. Maybe to a Metro team that sees a path to the Finals that avoids Toronto............

Not to mention the tough contract negotiations in the past. Definitely doesn't give off a "I want to be a part of his team" vibe when paired with the anti-vax stuff.

[The 91 of Ryans 2,592]

12 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

Not to mention the tough contract negotiations in the past. Definitely doesn't give off a "I want to be a part of his team" vibe when paired with the anti-vax stuff.

Trade him to NYR for a 1st  + OR Lundkvist. He seems like a Drury type guy. 

[TLGTrico 507]

My only issue with this is his dropoff in production this season, though I'm not sure his usual linemates don't have something to do with it.

[The 91 of Ryans 2,592]

13 minutes ago, TLGTrico said:

My only issue with this is his dropoff in production this season, though I'm not sure his usual linemates don't have something to do with it.

Fabbri? He's a career 0.5PPG guy. And that's exactly where he's at this year....

[redw1ngs 148]

6 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Fabbri? He's a career 0.5PPG guy. And that's exactly where he's at this year....

He was 0.6ppg each of the past 2 seasons. Hes only 3 points behind that pace now tho.

[bIueadams 446]

1. Bertuzzi is one of our best assets that the team will not want to trade.

2. We're not playoff bound, so we can accommodate his anti-vaccination status.

3. Anti-vaccination status has put his trade value at an all time low.

4. Unlike other teams and their anti-vax players, the Wings have been totally accepting of his anti-vax status.

5. Despite all the "not a team player" rhetoric that fans spew, Bertuzzi's teammates do nothing but sing his praise.

Why would a team trade one of it's best assets when the value has been artificially sunk to minimal return? Why would a player leave at UFA after his team has done everything to allow his bold life choice, just to end up with a team who probably will not be as accommodating?

This team can afford to wait on covid and Bertuzzi, and seem to be doing exactly that. Any Wings dislike for Bertuzzi is totally conjured up by fans.

6. I found a brand new Bertuzzi sweater hidden in my girlfriends closet amongst other Christmas gifts

[The 91 of Ryans 2,592]

16 minutes ago, bIueadams said:

1. Bertuzzi is one of our best assets that the team will not want to trade.

2. We're not playoff bound, so we can accommodate his anti-vaccination status.

3. Anti-vaccination status has put his trade value at an all time low.

4. Unlike other teams and their anti-vax players, the Wings have been totally accepting of his anti-vax status.

5. Despite all the "not a team player" rhetoric that fans spew, Bertuzzi's teammates do nothing but sing his praise.

Why would a team trade one of it's best assets when the value has been artificially sunk to minimal return? Why would a player leave at UFA after his team has done everything to allow his bold life choice, just to end up with a team who probably will not be as accommodating?

This team can afford to wait on covid and Bertuzzi, and seem to be doing exactly that. Any Wings dislike for Bertuzzi is totally conjured up by fans.

6. I found a brand new Bertuzzi sweater hidden in my girlfriends closet amongst other Christmas gifts

Yer cute. But yer not Yzerman. 

[bIueadams 446]

3 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Yer cute. But yer not Yzerman. 

Remind me again how we need him to play against Toronto in the first round we're not going to.

Edited December 14, 2021 by bIueadams

[kipwinger 7,734]

Just now, bIueadams said:

Remind me again how we need him to play against Toronto in the first round we're not going to.

Remind me again of how missing one of our best players for 10+ games doesn't affect our ability to make the playoffs (which we're currently 1 point out of).

Plus he'll be a UFA at the end of this deal. He's not coming back to Detroit and the way to recoup his lost value is to trade him before the final year of his contract. He's as good as gone by the offseason.

 

[redw1ngs 148]

3 minutes ago, bIueadams said:

Remind me again how we need him to play against Toronto in the first round we're not going to.

All the more reason to trade him imo. Bertuzzis trade value may be lower now because of non-vax but it will never be higher based on production. Hell be 27 this season and if were not contending for a playoff spot he should be moved now while he still has value. If Yzerman can trade him to a metro team for a 1st/top prospect+ I think he should pull the trigger.

[The 91 of Ryans 2,592]

4 minutes ago, bIueadams said:

Remind me again how we need him to play against Toronto in the first round we're not going to.

Could have used him in St Louis and Colorado. But I digress. 

I think there will still be restrictions in place next year. If Yzerman really wants to turn a corner next season and puts the work in and even takes a few chances I doubt he wants to keep getting submarined by Bert. 

I'm not saying I want to trade him. He's a real asset. I'm saying I think Yzerman will. 

[kipwinger 7,734]

1 minute ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Could have used him in St Louis and Colorado. But I digress. 

I think there will still be restrictions in place next year. If Yzerman really wants to turn a corner next season and puts the work in and even takes a few chances I doubt he wants to keep getting submarined by Bert. 

I'm not saying I want to trade him. He's a real asset. I'm saying I think Yzerman will. 

I don't think it's just the vax thing per se. It's that his "me first" attitude was a thorn in management's side when he was taking the team to arbitration as an RFA. Now it's costing the team wins, and (probably more importantly) it's costing ownership millions of dollars in potential revenue (if we were to make the playoffs). The Wings have been particularly badly hit the last few years between poor teams, shortened seasons, and no fans in the stands. Pretty sure Chris Ilitch isn't going to be thrilled if we miss the playoffs by a few points because one of our best players chose not to play in ten(ish) games.

[bIueadams 446]

15 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

Remind me again of how missing one of our best players for 10+ games doesn't affect our ability to make the playoffs (which we're currently 1 point out of).

Plus he'll be a UFA at the end of this deal. He's not coming back to Detroit and the way to recoup his lost value is to trade him before the final year of his contract. He's as good as gone by the offseason.

 

Outside of Bertuzzi, Larkin, and two rookies the team absolutely stinks. Good early run but we're not making the playoffs, never were. And even if we somehow managed we won't be making any impact.

Highly doubt he's leaving Detroit the way SY has accommodated him.

12 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Could have used him in St Louis and Colorado. But I digress. 

I think there will still be restrictions in place next year. If Yzerman really wants to turn a corner next season and puts the work in and even takes a few chances I doubt he wants to keep getting submarined by Bert. 

I'm not saying I want to trade him. He's a real asset. I'm saying I think Yzerman will. 

I doubt it. If restrictions are still in place next season, the NHL will finally apply to get around them like the NBA did.

12 minutes ago, redw1ngs said:

All the more reason to trade him imo. Bertuzzis trade value may be lower now because of non-vax but it will never be higher based on production. Hell be 27 this season and if were not contending for a playoff spot he should be moved now while he still has value. If Yzerman can trade him to a metro team for a 1st/top prospect+ I think he should pull the trigger.

Your nuts if you think we're getting a 1st from a playoff team for a player that can't play in the playoffs in Canada or even spend time with his new teammates.

[kipwinger 7,734]

Just now, bIueadams said:

Outside of Bertuzzi, Larkin, and two rookies the team absolutely stinks. Good early run but we're not making the playoffs, never were. And even if we somehow managed we won't be making any impact.

Highly doubt he's leaving Detroit the way SY has accommodated him.

I doubt it. If restrictions are still in place next season, the NHL will finally apply to get around them like the NBA did.

Your nuts if you think we're getting a 1st from a playoff team for a player that can't play in the playoffs in Canada or even spend time with his new teammates.

We have a very real path to the playoffs and each playoff game we play (at least four) is millions of dollars in addition revenue. I recognize your desire to minimize this given you have a weird political thing going on, but I doubt the organization takes it so lightly.

[redw1ngs 148]

18 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

I don't think it's just the vax thing per se. It's that his "me first" attitude was a thorn in management's side when he was taking the team to arbitration as an RFA. Now it's costing the team wins, and (probably more importantly) it's costing ownership millions of dollars in potential revenue (if we were to make the playoffs). The Wings have been particularly badly hit the last few years between poor teams, shortened seasons, and no fans in the stands. Pretty sure Chris Ilitch isn't going to be thrilled if we miss the playoffs by a few points because one of our best players chose not to play in ten(ish) games.

Bertuzzis already missed 8 will miss another 6 in Canada and thats without considering any other covid protocol/injury. probly end up closer to 20ish missed games.

13 minutes ago, bIueadams said:

 

Your nuts if you think we're getting a 1st from a playoff team for a player that can't play in the playoffs in Canada or even spend time with his new teammates.

If Bertuzzi was a ufa Id agree but he still has 1 year remaining after this season. If hes as good as you believe he is and if covid restrictions are loosened next season like you believe they will Bertuzzi should 100 get a 1st+ from a playoff team.

[Jonas Mahonas 1,680]

19 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

We have a very real path to the playoffs and each playoff game we play (at least four) is millions of dollars in addition revenue. I recognize your desire to minimize this given you have a weird political thing going on, but I doubt the organization takes it so lightly.

Its not weird to question BAD SCIENCE and STUPID CITIZENS.  It's weird not to and weird to think of it as politics.  

[kipwinger 7,734]

Just now, Jonas Mahonas said:

Its not weird to question BAD SCIENCE and STUPID CITIZENS.  It's weird not to and weird to think of it as politics.  

Sure thing man. Whatever you say.