2023 UFA / Draft

[Jonas Mahonas 1,789]

8 hours ago, F.Michael said:

Retro porn stash!

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[Walman6million 250]

9 hours ago, F.Michael said:

Retro porn stash!

Nice collection. Super shots 4 hours waz my jam.

[F.Michael 4,590]

52 minutes ago, Walman6million said:

Nice collection. Super shots 4 hours waz my jam.

I'm partial to 'Tickling 12'.

[Jonas Mahonas 1,789]

7 hours ago, Walman6million said:

Nice collection. Super shots 4 hours waz my jam.

4 min is PLENTY for me

[Axl Foley 124]

4 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

4 min is PLENTY for me

dont flatter yourself

[Akakabuto 1,600]

Van 11th+ OEL for Det 17th+ 2x2nds.

[town123 112]

Van 11th + OEL for 41, 42 & 43.

[Jonas Mahonas 1,789]

1 minute ago, town123 said:

Van 11th + OEL for 41, 42 & 43.

Then Det 2024 1st, Zadina, and Johansson for Was #8 pick.

#8

#9

#11

#17

 

BOOM

[mackel 552]

4 hours ago, town123 said:

Van 11th + OEL for 41, 42 & 43.

That's an over pay for DET.  OLE has 4 years at over 7mil and is below replacement level.

[Walman6million 250]

We really can't afford to take on OEL for at $7 mil for 4 years at this point.

Larkin is already at basically $9 mil (insane mistake) and next summer we are going to have to dish out an insane amount of money to Seider, Raymond, Ras, and Berggren. Even if Ras, Ray, and Berg, play like total crap next year we are talking extensions around $20 mil+ in total. Imagine the total if they actually do well. 

That's the next year outlook. Min league players suddenly taking 20-30 mil of our cap.

Then we have Kasper, Mazur, Lombardi, Edvinsson, Soderblom, Cossa, and this years picks directly behind them. Meanwhile OEL at $7 still has 3 years left...

That could really damage our ability to grow this team in a big way. We are rapidly approaching being a team that needs to be very thoughtful in how it handles it's money. As I've said in other threads we are entering the non-drafting stage of building right now. This summer. And I think OEL would be inappropriate at this point.

Edited May 26 by Walman6million

[Axl Foley 124]

18 minutes ago, Walman6million said:

We really can't afford to take on OEL for at $7 mil for 4 years at this point.

Larkin is already at basically $9 mil (insane mistake) and next summer we are going to have to dish out an insane amount of money to Seider, Raymond, Ras, and Berggren. Even if Ras, Ray, and Berg, play like total crap next year we are talking extensions around $20 mil+ in total. Imagine the total if they actually do well. 

That's the next year outlook. Min league players suddenly taking 20-30 mil of our cap.

Then we have Kasper, Mazur, Lombardi, Edvinsson, Soderblom, Cossa, and this years picks directly behind them. Meanwhile OEL at $7 still has 3 years left...

That could really damage our ability to grow this team in a big way. We are rapidly approaching being a team that needs to be very thoughtful in how it handles it's money. As I've said in other threads we are entering the non-drafting stage of building right now. This summer. And I think OEL would be inappropriate at this point.

How is the Larkin contract an "insane mistake"? Based on similar players, that contract, is at worst, market value. It won't be long until 70+ point players make 10 or more.

[Walman6million 250]

2 minutes ago, Axl Foley said:

How is the Larkin contract an "insane mistake"? Based on similar players, that contract, is at worst, market value. It won't be long until 70+ point players make 10 or more.

Larkin is an overplayed secondary forward on most teams (2C) and this will begin to become apparent to you over the next 2-5 years, as our better players age up and assume important roles. And then you will wonder why the 2C is hemming more cap space than our 1C.

I watch players for their talent, not for their hype. That's why I was right about Seider, Zadina, etc, b4 all you casuals. Give the team bias a rest. Larkin is not that good i promise you. He's the paul woods of the current wings era.

[Axl Foley 124]

8 minutes ago, Walman6million said:

Larkin is an overplayed secondary forward on most teams (2C) and this will begin to become apparent to you over the next 2-5 years, as our better players age up and assume important roles. And then you will wonder why the 2C is hemming more cap space than our 1C.

I watch players for their talent, not for their hype. That's why I was right about Seider, Zadina, etc, b4 all you casuals. Give the team bias a rest. Larkin is not that good i promise you. He's the paul woods of the current wings era.

He is being paid based on his production. He is not overpaid. I dont see this as a contract that ages badly. Even if his production drops towards the end, the cap hit will still be consistent with what other similar players are making at that time.

[Jonas Mahonas 1,789]

Larkin is good.  He drives the play forward.  Anybody that plays with him starts producing.  He's good.

[Walman6million 250]

18 minutes ago, Axl Foley said:

He is being paid based on his production. He is not overpaid. I dont see this as a contract that ages badly. Even if his production drops towards the end, the cap hit will still be consistent with what other similar players are making at that time.

when Larkin scores 40 pts in 2025 u will act like a wwhiny ***** full of exuses guarantee it

[Akakabuto 1,600]

5 hours ago, Walman6million said:

We really can't afford to take on OEL for at $7 mil for 4 years at this point.

Larkin is already at basically $9 mil (insane mistake) and next summer we are going to have to dish out an insane amount of money to Seider, Raymond, Ras, and Berggren. Even if Ras, Ray, and Berg, play like total crap next year we are talking extensions around $20 mil+ in total. Imagine the total if they actually do well. 

That's the next year outlook. Min league players suddenly taking 20-30 mil of our cap.

Then we have Kasper, Mazur, Lombardi, Edvinsson, Soderblom, Cossa, and this years picks directly behind them. Meanwhile OEL at $7 still has 3 years left...

That could really damage our ability to grow this team in a big way. We are rapidly approaching being a team that needs to be very thoughtful in how it handles it's money. As I've said in other threads we are entering the non-drafting stage of building right now. This summer. And I think OEL would be inappropriate at this point.

Well yeah but we get to draft Rainbacher and one top ranked forward so my plan is better anyways.

 

[The 91 of Ryans 2,652]

9 hours ago, Walman6million said:

when Larkin scores 40 pts in 2025 u will act like a wwhiny ***** full of exuses guarantee it

LOL 2 years from now?

Someone doesn't understand cap inflation. In 2025 Larkin's 9M will be closer to what 7.5M is now. 

Also as this team improves I expect Larkins production will at least stabilize. So, in  two years, 70 - 80 Pts  from your team captain will only cost you 7.5M. That's lovely IMO

Also I could see OEL turning it around a bit on another team. Just not this one. No thanks

[Akakabuto 1,600]

Nobody takes on OEL hoping he will turn it around. You take him on because you get payed to do it. Dude sucks. 

[Walman6million 250]

36 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

LOL 2 years from now?

Someone doesn't understand cap inflation. In 2025 Larkin's 9M will be closer to what 7.5M is now. 

Also as this team improves I expect Larkins production will at least stabilize. So, in  two years, 70 - 80 Pts  from your team captain will only cost you 7.5M. That's lovely IMO

Also I could see OEL turning it around a bit on another team. Just not this one. No thanks

Larkin is the most overrated Red Wing in 300 years.

He's not particulary good at anything. His entire game is predicated on being able to outskate his opponent. Once that advantage is gone he wont be worth that cap hit if that league cap is 100 million.

And if yall havent been paying attention, hes already begun slowing down at an alarmingly early age. At age 24 he was arguably one of the top3 fastest players in the league. At almost 27 now hes not even one of the top20 fastest.

And now hes gonna cost us $9 mil for the next 8 years. By year 2/3 of this contract it will start to hurt us. We invested big money in a player already past his prime and getting worse.

[The 91 of Ryans 2,652]

1 minute ago, Walman6million said:

Larkin is the most overrated Red Wing in 300 years.

He's not particulary good at anything. His entire game is predicated on being able to outskate his opponent. Once that advantage is gone he wont be worth that cap hit if that league cap is 100 million.

And if yall havent been paying attention, hes already begun slowing down at an alarmingly early age. At age 24 he was arguably one of the top3 fastest players in the league. At almost 27 now hes not even one of the top20 fastest.

And now hes gonna cost us $9 mil for the next 8 years. By year 2/3 of this contract it will start to hurt us. We invested big money in a player already past his prime and getting worse.

That's a whoooooole lot of typing for someone who doesn't really believe what he's saying. 

[town123 112]

Not sure if anhyone posted this or cares, but Pronman/Wheeler mock is up.

 

9. Detroit Red Wings (Pick by Wheeler): Zach Benson, LW, Winnipeg

17. Detroit Red Wings (Pick by Wheeler): Colby Barlow, LW, Owen Sound

41. Detroit Red Wings (Pick by Wheeler): Hunter Brzustewicz, RHD, Kitchener

42. Detroit Red Wings (Pick by Pronman): Anton Wahlberg, C, Malmo

43. Detroit Red Wings (Pick by Wheeler): Theo Lindstein, LHD, Brynas

 

 

2 rounds here...

https://archive.is/HU1jV

Edited May 27 by town123
whatever

[diehardredwingsfan58 83]

On 5/25/2023 at 10:18 PM, Walman6million said:

We really can't afford to take on OEL for at $7 mil for 4 years at this point.

Larkin is already at basically $9 mil (insane mistake) and next summer we are going to have to dish out an insane amount of money to Seider, Raymond, Ras, and Berggren. Even if Ras, Ray, and Berg, play like total crap next year we are talking extensions around $20 mil+ in total. Imagine the total if they actually do well. 

That's the next year outlook. Min league players suddenly taking 20-30 mil of our cap.

Then we have Kasper, Mazur, Lombardi, Edvinsson, Soderblom, Cossa, and this years picks directly behind them. Meanwhile OEL at $7 still has 3 years left...

That could really damage our ability to grow this team in a big way. We are rapidly approaching being a team that needs to be very thoughtful in how it handles it's money. As I've said in other threads we are entering the non-drafting stage of building right now. This summer. And I think OEL would be inappropriate at this point.

LOL caliing Larkins nearly $9M an insane mistake, He's pretty much a 70-80 point Centerman at this stage of his career. And that's basically what they make. And you forget that the Salary cap could be as high as $92,000,000 by 2025/2026 NHL season making his $8.7M contract rather redundant.

[diehardredwingsfan58 83]

On 5/26/2023 at 9:31 AM, Walman6million said:

Larkin is the most overrated Red Wing in 300 years.

He's not particulary good at anything. His entire game is predicated on being able to outskate his opponent. Once that advantage is gone he wont be worth that cap hit if that league cap is 100 million.

And if yall havent been paying attention, hes already begun slowing down at an alarmingly early age. At age 24 he was arguably one of the top3 fastest players in the league. At almost 27 now hes not even one of the top20 fastest.

And now hes gonna cost us $9 mil for the next 8 years. By year 2/3 of this contract it will start to hurt us. We invested big money in a player already past his prime and getting worse.

Dude what crack are you taking? By year 2/3 the cap with be around $92,000,000 to $95,000,000 so Larkins $8.7M won't even be a factor.

And calling Larkin the most overrated player in 300 years is totally laughable. We get it that you don't like the guy. But saying that his $8,700,000 is going to hurt us down the road is totally absurd.

[Axl Foley 124]

On 5/25/2023 at 11:22 PM, Walman6million said:

when Larkin scores 40 pts in 2025 u will act like a wwhiny ***** full of exuses guarantee it

what do u think 40 point players will be making in 2025?

[Dabura 12,019]

We've been talking about taking on other teams' bad contracts since the early days of the rebuild. We talk about it eight times a year. And then another team takes on a bad contract and we go "Huh. Kinda weird that we didn't go for that." Point being: I think there's some kind of Ilitch rule that says we don't saddle ourselves with other teams' albatross contracts.