kipwinger 8,518 Report post Posted August 24, 2022 This week Corey Pronman of The Athletic is releasing his organizational depth rankings (Top 15 under 23, plus honorable mentions). He's already introduced all the way up to the top 10. Detroit still has yet to be unveiled. So...our top 15 under 23? My picks 1. Seider 2. Raymond 3. Edvinsson 4. Berggren 5. Sodorblom 6. Kasper 7.Rasmussen 8. Zadina 9. Veleno 10. Johansson 11. Wallinder 12. Andreasson 13. Mazur 14. Buium 15. Neiderbach Honorable Mentions: Sebrango, Viro, Cossa Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted August 24, 2022 It's actually 22 and under and I think Detroit as an org will be top 3 Current NHLers or Future NHLs 1. Seider 2. Raymond 3. Edvinsson 4. Kaspar 5. Cossa 6. Bergrren 7. Zadina 8. Veleno 9. Johansson 10. Mazur 11. Soderblom Have a chance at NHL (in no order) Wallinder Viro Niederbach Sebrango Buium yada yada Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,518 Report post Posted August 24, 2022 Just now, The 91 of Ryans said: It's actually 22 and under and I think Detroit as an org will be top 3 Current NHLers or Future NHLs 1. Seider 2. Raymond 3. Edvinsson 4. Kaspar 5. Cossa 6. Bergrren 7. Zadina 8. Veleno 9. Johansson 10. Mazur 11. Soderblom Have a chance at NHL (in no order) Wallinder Viro Niederbach Sebrango Buium yada yada Good catch on the bolded. In that case I'd drop Ras and Andreasson (the only 23 year olds I had) and add Cossa and Sebrango to the end of my list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,518 Report post Posted August 24, 2022 I might be forgetting one or two people... 1 The 91 of Ryans reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted August 24, 2022 ^^ Yeah. I think James style of play makes him a good bet too. This team has a very deep pool of prospects. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,518 Report post Posted August 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: ^^ Yeah. I think James style of play makes him a good bet too. This team has a very deep pool of prospects. Insanely deep. I like Lombardi a lot too. He's definitely the prospect I'm most excited to follow this season (next to Kasper). If we can come out of this last draft with two higher-end centers I'd be absolutely pumped. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redw1ngs 149 Report post Posted August 24, 2022 1 Seider/ 2 Raymond/ 3 Edvinsson/ 4 Kasper/ 5 Berggren/ 6 Johansson/ 7 Wallinder/ 8 Buchelnikov/ 9 Cossa/ 10 Soderblom/ 11 Zadina/ 12 Mazur/ 13 Veleno/ 14 James/ 15 Niederbach HM: Tyutyayev/ Dower Nilsson/ Hanas/ Lombardi/ Savage/ Buium/ McIsaac/ Sebrango Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,518 Report post Posted August 24, 2022 (edited) It goes without saying, but recency bias will be a thing in Pronman's rankings, so despite the fact that we've got 21-22 year olds tearing up professional leagues he'll surely put someone like Cossa ahead of someone like Berggren because he's newer and was drafted in the first round. Edited August 24, 2022 by kipwinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted August 24, 2022 (edited) Seider Edvinsson Raymond Kasper Cossa Thats who we got right now. Those are locks to be impact players. The rest are plugs (at the moment). If another 5 sprout over the next 2 years, we are going to be deep. Edited August 24, 2022 by Jonas Mahonas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted August 24, 2022 Buchelnikov 1 Jonas Mahonas reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,793 Report post Posted August 24, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said: Seider Edvinsson Raymond Kasper Cossa Thats who we got right now. Those are locks to be impact players. The rest are plugs (at the moment). If another 5 sprout over the next 2 years, we are going to be deep. How many of these players did Holland draft again? Edited August 24, 2022 by GMRwings1983 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted August 24, 2022 47 minutes ago, GMRwings1983 said: How many of these players did Holland draft again? Yah, Stevie does have a knack for seeing the true BPA where he picks. The Seider pick is off the chart guru. 1 hour ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Buchelnikov I like to get hyped as much as the next guy, but this guy is a crapshoot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bIueadams 776 Report post Posted August 25, 2022 Tier 1: Seider Tier 2: Raymond, Edvinsson, Kasper, Cossa, Berggren Tier 3: Soderblom, Zadina, Veleno, Mazur, Johansson, Buium, James, Buchnelikov Tier 4: Wallinder, Viro, Niederbach, McIsaac, Sebrango, Hanas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bIueadams 776 Report post Posted August 25, 2022 Tier 1: Franchise pillar talent. Award winning level. Possible # retirement. Tier 2: Elite or very low chance of failure. Likely core players. Tier 3: Boom or bust territory. Tier 4: Dark horse players. Could be great, but most won't make any impact. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted August 25, 2022 5 hours ago, bIueadams said: Tier 1: Franchise pillar talent. Award winning level. Possible # retirement. Tier 2: Elite or very low chance of failure. Likely core players. Tier 3: Boom or bust territory. Tier 4: Dark horse players. Could be great, but most won't make any impact. I think I would move Wallinder up. Also you don't have Amadeus on ur list at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redw1ngs 149 Report post Posted August 25, 2022 Pronmans list 1. Moritz Seider, D 2. Lucas Raymond, RW 3. Simon Edvinsson, D 4. Marco Kasper, C 5. Filip Zadina, RW 6. Elmer Söderblom, LW 7. Joseph Veleno, C 8. Jonatan Berggren, LW 9. Sebastian Cossa, G 10. Shai Buium, D 11. William Wallinder, D 12. Albert Johansson, D 13. Donovan Sebrango, D 14. Carter Mazur, RW 15. Theodor Niederbach, C Dmitri Buchelnikov, RW Liam Dower Nilsson, C Cross Hanas, LW Dylan James, LW Robert Mastrosimone, LW Jared McIsaac, D Redmond Savage, C Eemil Viro, D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redw1ngs 149 Report post Posted August 25, 2022 Interesting that he has Zadina so high. "For now I see him as a second-line winger but I'm not ruling out him ending up better." Hes def more of a 3w right now not a 2w but imo has room to grow into that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,518 Report post Posted August 25, 2022 Buium over Johansson and Wallinder? That's an interesting take from Pronman considering how good both those guys were in the SHL last year. I definitely get the impression that he doesn't fully understand how hard it is to score in that league because he still sleeps on the offensive ability of guys in the SHL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,518 Report post Posted August 25, 2022 (edited) Also odd to see Berggren so low. The guy has done nothing but dominate two of the hardest leagues in the world the last two seasons. Finished the season with 10 multi point outings in this last 13 games a year ago. Edited August 25, 2022 by kipwinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted August 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: I think I would move Wallinder up. Also you don't have Amadeus on ur list at all. or The Thrill. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted August 25, 2022 6 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said: or The Thrill. He could be the next Datsyuk or the next Grigorenko. He really is hard to read. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted August 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: He could be the next Datsyuk or the next Grigorenko. He really is hard to read. yah, that injury blurred things even further. Was hoping he'd make a good step into being that next saucy player for us last year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redw1ngs 149 Report post Posted August 29, 2022 On 8/25/2022 at 10:16 AM, redw1ngs said: Pronmans list 1. Moritz Seider, D 2. Lucas Raymond, RW 3. Simon Edvinsson, D 4. Marco Kasper, C 5. Filip Zadina, RW 6. Elmer Söderblom, LW 7. Joseph Veleno, C 8. Jonatan Berggren, LW 9. Sebastian Cossa, G 10. Shai Buium, D 11. William Wallinder, D 12. Albert Johansson, D 13. Donovan Sebrango, D 14. Carter Mazur, RW 15. Theodor Niederbach, C Dmitri Buchelnikov, RW Liam Dower Nilsson, C Cross Hanas, LW Dylan James, LW Robert Mastrosimone, LW Jared McIsaac, D Redmond Savage, C Eemil Viro, D Pronmans league wide ranking 2. Moritz Seider, D 9. Lucas Raymond, RW 32. Simon Edvinsson, D 67. Marco Kasper, C 80. Filip Zadina, RW 96. Elmer Söderblom, LW 122. Joseph Veleno, C 151. Jonatan Berggren, LW 165. Sebastian Cossa, G Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,793 Report post Posted August 29, 2022 Besides actual Red Wings you've watched play, I marvel at how posters can rank all the unknowns. Most posters couldn't pick half of these players out of a police lineup. 3 F.Michael, 13dangledangle and marcaractac reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redw1ngs 149 Report post Posted August 31, 2022 On 8/29/2022 at 12:46 PM, GMRwings1983 said: Besides actual Red Wings you've watched play, I marvel at how posters can rank all the unknowns. Most posters couldn't pick half of these players out of a police lineup. Imo most fans know what our top prospects look like and there skill level floor/ceiling based on game tape and prospect profiles. Of course no fans know where these players will end up outside the top5 its a complete crapshoot but as a fan its fun to speculate. 1 Jonas Mahonas reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
