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In Topic: Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

22 May 2016 - 08:45 PM

Abdelkader didn't start playing with Datsyuk and Zetterberg until second half the shortened 2013 season which is after Holmstrom retired in 2012 with Lidstrom. Not 5 years. I could flip it and say that the two years Nyquist produced 28 and 27 goals was on a line with Zetterberg (still weaning off his prime at age 33/34), but failed to produce when put in a situation where he wasn't surrounded by an elite player. 

 

For 1:30 less icetime I don't see how one scores 2/3ds the amount of goals he did the season before (with lesser competition btw). Usage was definitely an issue but Nyquist's regression had more to do with individual decline in my opinion. The reason being that when he was put on Zetterberg's line he still couldn't get much done. I'm not sure if it's a confidence thing or if the league's figured him out. Anyways I'm not jumping the gun and saying we trade him (unless it's for the right deal and if we get Okposo). But he's got to turn it around this coming season since he is making $4.75 mill. I'd assume he'll be getting more responsibility this coming season and the coaching changes should make a difference. So we can reassess at the end of the 2016 season. 

 

Far as Abby is concerned I'm not sure how it will be when he's 36. Likely not good because I myself have stated the long term on the contract isn't smart. But here and now in the present the $4.25 million cap hit seems like it's worked out comparitively to someone else with a similar cap hit (Nyquist).  


Fair enough - I had my issue with the length of term as well. But not the caphit. He's earned that for now. 

 

I disagree with the bolded part -- the drop off in Nyquist's goals was due to the fact the power play was a dumpster fire. He was still producing near the same level at even strength, despite poor usage and compounded by having much less talented players than him get the top-six minutes instead. If Gus doesn't produce getting Helm's or Richards' deployment all season, then I am more inclined to believe the notion that he regressed. It's befuddling though Blashill would decrease the ice time of his top two goal-scorers and then bemoan the fact your team can't score goals. 

 

I just think expectations are the biggest foes of Gus and Tatar right now. They probably aren't the next generation of superstars like when Z and Pavel took over. However, 30-goal scorers in their primes aren't easy to find and with better usage going forward, I believe both will get back to that level. I really hope the Wings aren't thinking of dealing either of them at this point, though I fear that might be the case.


In Topic: Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

20 May 2016 - 03:58 PM

Z isn't as good anymore so playing with him isn't as awesome as it used to be. Nyquist plays with Tatar who has some of the best possession numbers on the team (better than Zetterberg's) .. Not to mention Nyquist plays against lesser competition more often than not as well. 

 

Additionally Abdelkader's ice time also goes towards penalty killing. About 1.5 minutes per game he plays shorthanded.  Something Nyquist doesn't do. 

 

Even with less ice time, Nyquist managed to take more shots on goal over the course of the year. Yet Abdelkader had 4 game winning goals to Nyquist's 3. 

 

No matter how one cuts it. Abdekader makes less money, has about the same points as Nyquist and does more on ice with penalty killing, blocked shots, hits (team leader for hits btw) and fighting. 

 

I'd say for all the things I listed, in terms of money the Red Wings management is getting a bigger bang for their buck with Abdelkader's deal compared to Nyquist's deal at the moment. 

 

Abby has spent the better part of five years with Z and/or Datsyuk -- it wasn't like he just got time with them when the decline hit. It comes back to usage. Abby has been forced into a top-six role almost by default. I won't deny that he brings certain elements to the team that no other forward does, but that comes back to management having too many players of the same mold. 

 

In a perfect world, Abby goes to the third line and gets less time at even strength and on the power play. I don't think he is particularly valuable in either of those areas for the minutes he receives. He was -16 and had terrible possession numbers. 

 

Nyquist and Tatar both inexplicably got the short straw from Blashill this past season. Nyquist played 1:30 less per game coming off a year he had 27 goals. Tatar played two minutes less after scoring 29 and HSJ had the nerve to give them failing grades. The Wings couldn't score goals and the response was a top-six that included Abdelkader, Helm, Richards and the ghosts of Pavel Datsyuk and Henrik Zetterberg.  If you give Gus Nyquist the proper deployment next season, he's a 30-goal scorer.

 

Part of the reason the Abby deal is perceived poorly is because Holland has given out so many bad contracts lately and he added to it by giving Abby seven years when he is already 29 years old. There's no way he was going to get seven years on July 1 from some other team. Even if you want to debate the 'bang for the buck' right now, how is that contract going to look when Abby is 36 with the way he plays the game? 


In Topic: Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

20 May 2016 - 01:04 PM

The Abdelkader salary argument doesnt even make sense anymore.

Nyquist has a higher cap hit than Abdelkader and had two less goals and one more point than him.

Nyquist - $4.75 mill. 17 goals 43 points.
Abdelkader - $4.25 mill 19 goals 42 points.

Tell me again why this is an issue? The only issue I had was the length of term. Oh wait maybe the issue is Abdelkader actually hits his opponents, kills penalties and stands up for his teammates.

 

Abdelkader also played three minutes more per game too and spent practically all of that time with Z and/or Datsyuk. 


In Topic: Grand Rapids Griffins Playoff Thread

17 May 2016 - 08:34 PM

Sproul needs to at least get a shot out of training camp. I don't care so much if they lose Jensen, but it would be a tough pill to swallow if Sproul never gets a real opportunity on a team that has gotten nothing offensively from their d-men for years. 


In Topic: Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

16 May 2016 - 08:35 PM

Do we still want Stamkos with his recent health history. I've been back and forth.

 

I don't -- at least not for Stamkos' price tag. I want Backes even less and that strikes me as more likely than Stamkos happening. I'm also in the sign Okposo camp.