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#2536916 9/22/14 7:00 PM. Preseason GDT - DET 2 @ PIT 1

Posted by xtrememachine1 on Yesterday, 10:01 PM

Just got back from the game.  My 6 year old was a very good road fan for us chanting "Lets Go Wings" for every single "Lets Go Pens".  A kid across the aisle from us was waving a terrible towel and he waved it at my son when the Pens scored.  When Datsyuk scored, he goes "Not waving that towel now huh?!"  I was in shock, he's usually pretty mild mannered, but he was really getting into it.  Everyone around us just laughed, except the kid with the towel.  Here are a few good pics I got:

 

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#2536604 Training Camp Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 19 September 2014 - 12:22 PM

His statement is that there approach is now different. Of course there isn't any examples - it's a future proclamation.

 

For the second time, I realize that.  Which is precisely why I'd need for him to prove it, this year, in training camp.  Because it hasn't ever been true before.  Even in the past, when the rule was "tie goes to the veteran", the ostensible rule was that in situations NOT TIED, the best player would play.  But that wasn't the case either.  So for all of posterity, I get it.  Babs says the best player will play.  Prove it. 




#2536458 Regner: Next year could be Babcock's last

Posted by gcom007 on 17 September 2014 - 08:05 PM

 

I think making the playoffs is the definition of playoff caliber. It sounds like you are talking about being a Stanley Cup contender. I'm not denying our poor performance in the first round last year. Though I think that was more so due to match-up then anything. I don't see us performing like that against Pittsburgh. Not saying we win, but we definitely do better.

 

Either way, this is all semantics, we are a playoff caliber team.

 

We are absolutely a playoff-caliber team with Datsyuk and Zetterberg still around. Even with age and injuries, those two guys are still are remarkable players, and even in their absence last year due to injury, I almost feel as if it's reasonable to say that the hole they left was so large that it had much to do with many of the younger guys rising up and playing above a level that one would typically expect of them. When you still have a core of Dats and Z, you should be making the playoffs. I've said it for years, and I'm still saying it now, even in light of last season.

 

But...

 

We are not contenders, and despite what many like to say about how anything is possible if you just get in, it's simply not something substantial enough to be able to bank on. I'm not saying it's entirely untrue, but there is more of a divide between the contenders and some of the teams that squeak in than people realize. And oftentimes, some of the 7th-8th seeds that squeak in and go the distance were better teams than their regular season records showed, and they proved that in the playoffs. We haven't come close to proving that, and one could say last season, quite the opposite was proven.

 

Many Detroit fans were deluded by how close we came to beating Chicago a couple years back. The reality of that series was Chicago wasn't even close to being on their game and their stars weren't rising up to the playoff challenge as the series started. We took advantage of it early on, and then Chicago came back against significant odds and proved once again why they've won two Cups in the last five years. We certainly didn't make it easy for them, even in the final three games, but they found a way to crawl out of the hole and win, and they went on to win the Cup.

 

Last year, Boston manhandled us and proved that our kids weren't ready to answer the playoff bell. We just looked weaker and weaker as that series went on. Are we going to be a better team this year? Maybe our kids will improve, or maybe they'll still need more time to be ready. Dats and Z might be healthier, but any way you shake it, they're getting older, so it's tough to say how much of an impact they'll have on the scoresheet. Our defense isn't likely to be any better unless a kid comes up and overachieves. And while my money is on Howard bouncing back strong, he can't do it alone.

 

I think we'll squeak into the playoffs, but we're not real close to being able to contend for the Cup right now. We won't be until something more dramatic happens to improve the defense in particular, and until our kids mature to a point where they aren't shutdown in the playoffs, or perhaps in general when having to play a lesser role on a less-injured team. 

 

That said though, I don't think that's why Babcock would leave. I do think he enjoys working with the kids, and I don't think money is going to be an issue that affects the decision. I could see him wanting to move on for the sake of new challenges and experiences, and as much as I'd hate to see it, from his perspective, I could understand why he might want to go to a team like Pittsburgh. It's an opportunity that you aren't going to get very often. I don't know if he'd actually do it, and I don't know that he wants to leave, but I do think he's likely more frustrated with the way this team's been run than he's let on lately, and I think he is likely as tired of getting no help from the GM as any of us. He's made enough comments suggesting so in the press to infer at the very least that he isn't thrilled by all that hasn't happened in the last 4-5 years. I'm not saying it's an extreme situation, but I have no doubt that it's something that bothers him because he's been frustrated enough to say so numerous times.

 

You add everything up, and I could see Babcock going to another team after this season and I could understand why. I hope it doesn't come to that because I think he's a great coach, but it'd be hard to fault him. 




#2536368 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 16 September 2014 - 06:54 PM

Yes it is.
 
Any player who plays better gets better deals.... duh
 
Signing DD to this term at this price is GREAT. Complaining about his possible next deal, when he hasn't even played one game under this deal, already, is just digging for something to be mad about.
 
Couple that with the ridiculous "Holland's a low-baller" speak going around, and yeah it's annoying.

 

No, it really isn't.  If that's what you consider complaining, no wonder you think everyone here was doing it.  It was an offhanded comment in a post.  Other people were speculating that Dekeyser's camp was holding up negotiations but that wasn't complaining to you.

 

And do you think you're improving the nature of discourse here with your sarcasm and condescension?
 

 

Let me make this clear to everyone here for the millionth time. 

 

If you don't like a post about someone criticizing the Wings and feel compelled to respond, politely refute the points they are making.  DO NOT insult or attack them personally.   If you are unable to respond without doing  that, simply ignore the post or put that member on ignore so you won't see any of their posts. 

 

Like it or not, criticism and complaining can be on topic.  However, complaining about complaining or insulting how someone posts is never on topic.  Ever.  Posts that are complaints about other posts will be deleted.  If the mods repeatedly have to delete posts by the same member, that person will be suspended.

 

If you think LGW has gotten too negative, complaining about it only adds to the negativity.   Instead try making a thoughtful and constructive post about hockey that makes the site a little better.




#2536136 Who should get cut/traded by game 1 of the season?

Posted by DickieDunn on 13 September 2014 - 08:40 AM

Cleary should never have gotten more than a tryout, but now he's going to play at least 10 games to get his bonus. I'd like to see Kindl moved out for a rookie. Miller is pretty good for a 4th liner so he should stay. Jurco showed enough last year that a roster spot should be his to lose.


#2535945 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by Jesusberg on 11 September 2014 - 10:42 AM

There is over $5.9M in cap space remaining once Jurco is sent down, more than enough to sign DeKeyser to a reasonable contract as well as Alfredsson to a bonus heavy contract. Both Alfie's and Cleary's bonus' can get bumped to next years salary cap, so that is not an issue. I don't believe that this DeKeyser situation (if you can even call it that) has anything to do with any other player (Quincey, Alfredsson, Cleary, or whichever other player you can think to blame). This is between Holland, DeKeyser and Morris (agent) and a deal will get done, DeKeyser will not miss any games because of this and there will be no bad blood once it is done.

 

I think people keep forgetting this. Jurco is included in CG's estimate for the Wings. Who even knows what's going to happen with Alfredsson. At this point, it seems like a deal with bonuses and a lower cap hit is what he'll be offered - 709K is good for about 70% of Alfie's expected cap hit for this season.

I'm still not a fan of the Quincey signing, though. The defensive core feels stagnant. You've got Quincey and Kindl who are, IMO, playing below what you expect out of guys who should be considered seasoned, second pairing defenders. You can make the argument that Smith and DD can still grow and improve over the next season or two, and Kronwall and E are obviously solid. I would much rather have one of the GR kids over Q or Kindl - at least let Ouellet, Sproul, Marchenko and Backman compete to see who'd earn the spot.




#2536005 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by DickieDunn on 11 September 2014 - 06:12 PM

Kindl's issue is he's so inconsistent. My brother went to a lot of GR games his last year there and he said Kindl never looked like he belonged in the AHL. He always looked like he should have been in the ECHL or the NHL and nothing in between. That doesn't work at the top level.


#2535882 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by kliq on 10 September 2014 - 07:43 PM

 

I think the difference between the two is Babcock has taken Holland's makeshift/transitional/mediocre/insert your preferred term rosters and kept them competitive. Babs certainly has his faults, but how many coaches get last year's version of the Red Wings into the playoffs at all given the circumstances? I have gotten on Babs in the past for his stubbornness and certain personnel decisions, though in reality he has done exceptional work and last season was probably his best coaching job to date.

 

Thank you :) that's exactly my point. You may not agree with everything I have said, but your view on what some fans are saying, is the point I am trying to make.

 

A large chunk of Red Wings fans hate the fact they we are currently going through a re-build, and have a hard time accepting that we are not currently cup contenders. They look at everything Holland does under a microscope, and when he does something they do not agree with (ie. Cleary signing, Quincy signing, Legwand trade) they call for his head. While Babcock who overall people are happy with right now, may have the same opinions as Holland, but at the end of the day only gets a few people slightly disagreeing/mad at him, never the outrage that is currently being pointed at Holland, nor do I think he should. Babcock has done one heck of a job in Detroit, especially last year with all the injuries.

 

I fully realize that Holland is the GM, Babcock is the coach, and the roster is Holland's responsibility, but my point is that people are overly critical of Holland right now due to the re-build.

 

The only thing I disagree with you on is your verbiage of "makeshift/transitional/mediocre/insert your preferred term rosters and kept them competitive" as I look at what Holland has been doing a re-build, but one in where he is maintaining competitiveness (please don't mistaken competitiveness with contending) during it, rather then doing an Edmonton and getting rid of everyone. IMO a much smarter way to do it.




#2535828 2014 Preseason Thread

Posted by evilmrt on 09 September 2014 - 10:22 PM

I wanted Semin a few years back when he got a one-year deal. That condition was low risk, high reward. Seven million committed for one season is more appealing than long-term for a player with questions about his work ethic.

The Wings desperately need a top-six winger that scores goals, though. Have since Hossa left.

 

No, we have Franzen, didn't you pay attention to what he said? 




#2535685 Detroit offers D Raphael Diaz tryout

Posted by Detroit # 1 Fan on 07 September 2014 - 01:44 PM

Rather just play Marchenko. But since the Wings seem opposed to young D getting any ice this year, rather him then Kindl.




#2535624 Lines Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 05 September 2014 - 02:33 PM

 

This. Not to mention, I thought Sheahan and Tatar had some real chemistry. Sheahan's ability to find Tatar around the net impressed me quite a few times last season - lot of back and forth, and cross-crease stuff between them.

 

Totally agree.  I'd just add Dats, Z, and Helm to the lineup we've already got and not mess up the chemistry the other lines formed.  I'd actually rather have that happen and leave the kid line intact than have Alfie come back, forcing Helm into the bottom six and Jurco out of the lineup.  But that's just me.




#2535529 Lines Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 04 September 2014 - 08:39 AM

Glendening just isn't that good. He's Matt Ellis with better wheels. He's fine as a reserve, but that's about it. I'd rather balance the ice time between the lines more and have a third scoring line and a checking line playing about the same minutes as the game dictates. Helm can handle a role on a scoring line but I think he's better as a check line center. Andersson has some skill, but he's too slow and has zero grit. Callahan has never scores at any level until last year. Take into his low assist numbers and that screams fluke season. I think he can be a decent 4th liner, but you don't build a the trying to keep those guys. Ferraro has Drew Miller upside, if he ever even gets that good. Losing him will not hurt at all.


#2535445 Lines Thread

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 03 September 2014 - 11:45 AM

I think the whole Jurco vs Callahan thing right here and why some view Jurco to get preferential treatment even though he's spent less time in the minors is simply the fact (IMO) that he got called up, took the job and ran with it. I think we'd be talking about a different situation right now if Jurco had been called up, played like Ferraro did, and then didn't get another shot. Then maybe Callahan would have got more than just his one game cup of coffee, and maybe he would have seized the opportunity.

Quite simply, Jurco got an opportunity and showed he could play in the NHL. If Callahan had got the same opportunity would he have been able to do just that? Who knows. I hope Callahan turns out to be a key forward on the 4th line for the Wings for years to come, but right now, it's Jurco that has shown he can at least play in the NHL. Callahan's turn will come, and when that happens, he'll have to make the most of it. 

 

Sometimes its just how the cookie crumbles. But, I agree to an extent that it wouldn't hurt Jurco to play the year in GR, and he will get recalled at some point. On the other hand, the Wings have basically created this roster log jam at forward. Cleary didn't have to come back, nor Alfie (although I will be happy if he returns), and we've got either Andersson or Glendening who IMO one of which is expendable (my money's on Andersson, Glendening brings a different style of game that we need more of - like Callahan). 

 

If Jurco starts the year in the NHL, I'll be happy. But if (as is most likely to happen), he starts in GR, then I'll be happy too. It gives him more time to grow his game and develop into a better scoring and defensive forward so that this time next year when he'll be on the roster from the start (most likely) he'll be maturer and ready to carry a good chunk of the load. 




#2535303 Lines Thread

Posted by Dabura on 01 September 2014 - 12:03 AM

Jurco scored 15 pts in his first stint, I liked him a lot, but he's far from the next coming. Tatar has been playing for this organization since 09. Nyquist since 2010. Jurco started in GR in 2012. He has more time to do. He is not more special than Tatar or Nyquist.

 

A few things:

  • Who's to say Jurco isn't the next coming (whatever that means exactly)?
  • Who's to say Jurco's not more special than Tatar or Nyquist and that ultimately he won't outshine one or both of them? Tatar played in 73 games last season and put up 39 points. Jurco - who's two years Tatar's junior (21 and 23, respectively) - did put up only 15 points last season, but he only played in 36 games. Had he played in 73 games, he likely would've been good for about 30 points, not far off from Tatar's 39.
  • Does a player have to be The Next Coming to play in our top nine?
  • A key reason why Tatar and Nyquist were held down so long: they're smallish skill players. Jurco has the makings of a top-six power forward.

Just saying. If we opened the season with Tatar-Sheahan-Jurco as our third line, I doubt many people would be saying, "Clearly Jurco needs more time on the farm." Instead, I think we say what we said about that line last season: "This line is the s***!"




#2535223 Alfie wants to play

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 30 August 2014 - 07:50 AM

LOL Cleary is absolutely an NHL calibre player. If he comes to camp healthy, he should without a doubt be capable of producing as a third line support guy. The big question is whether or not he is finally healthy... I don't like this signing any more than any other Wings fan, but I do have a ton of respect for Dan Cleary and for the Wings management (Ken Holland) for honoring their handshake deal from last year. I find it very difficult to believe that some Wings "fans" are actually hoping Cleary fails.f****** ridiculous... I hope he proves all the haters wrong and plays 50+ games and puts up 20+ points.

 

I have a ton of respect for Cleary. But I'm completely divided on this issue. Part of me wants Danny to have a real strong season, but then the other half of me wants several prospects - Jurco and Mantha mainly, to play better than him in preseason so they force managements hand into playing them full time in the NHL this season. More so for Jurco than Mantha, but you get the point. I don't want Cleary to fail or suck though. But part of me feels its time to move on and properly make the young guns transition. Jurco is a big part of that IMO, and if we can get nearly a full season of Tatar-Sheahan-Jurco, we'll be a stronger team.