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#2651306 2016 Trade Deadline Thread

Posted by kickazz on 06 February 2016 - 08:03 PM


You always say future. You take care of the future, and the future will take care of the present. That's how it works in the salary cap era.


Edit: On the topic of trades, you always have to ask yourself "Why isn't any other team doing the trade that I'm doing?" If you are the team who is getting a big-name player in a trade, that means you paid more for that player than any other team in the league was willing to pay. With that in mind, how confident are you that the move is right for your team?


I know we all want the Wings to win the Cup every year, but I'm glad that we build through the draft and are cautious in signing players from the outside. It's a recipe for success that doesn't mortgage the future for the sake at a slightly better shot now. That's why the streak matters.

That's fine but we've been saying future future future and kept getting progressively worse as a team every year. And that's my point. Years ago our "future" was Nyquist, Tatar, Sheahan, Jurco, Pulkinen. Well believe it or not those guys are in the NHL now. And of those 5; 1 is scratched, 1 has mostly been scratched, 1 centered the 4th line today and was demoted because of AA. And 2 that are in their supposed prime are being outscored by Larkin - 19 year old. 


You can have all the shiny new parts to a car but you won't be able to build anything out of it unless you have the correct parts. We have way too many small players. Needs have to be addressed. It's about getting better as a team and having a complete package. I think AA, Larkin are good pieces to hang on to. But I don't see how we can have 3 of Nyquist, Tatar, and Pulkinnen who are literally some of the smallest players in the league. 


So either tankit and do the future the right way instead of the bs way or rebuild on the fly. If you're rebuilding on the fly then do it correctly. We're one or two important pieces away from being a cup contender. 

#2651083 2016 Trade Deadline Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 05 February 2016 - 04:52 PM

It's way too early to throw Blashill under the bus. He doesn't have much to work with.

I agree that's its too early to torch Blash. But I'm not convinced that he hasn't got much to work with. Tatar and Nyquist have both proven they're capable goal scorers. Mrazek is a stud. Larkin is a budding star. Dats and Z are aging, but still reasonably productive. Kronwall and Green are higher end puck movers and Dekeyser is a first rate two way defenseman. Abby is also a reasonably productive complimentary piece.

Its also not unreasonable to have expected Richards, Pulkkinen, Sheahan, and Smith to be quality depth pieces.

These guys aren't mediocre players. Its troubling that, with the exception of Larkin, every single one of them is having a worse season than they did one year ago. The fact that the lack of production is so universal, suggests to me that its a coaching issue. Part of it is the anemic power play. If that's even reasonably good all these guys point totals start looking more like we are accustomed to. But if its not the coaching then I don't know how else to explain a near team wide downward slide between one year and the next.

#2651038 Forward Line Combos/Discussion

Posted by kipwinger on 05 February 2016 - 01:28 PM

I have a dream...of a roster without Glendening or Anderson. Its rough knowing I'll inevitably be disappointed.


#2646987 2016 Trade Deadline Thread

Posted by Buppy on 09 January 2016 - 05:03 PM

Not only does that offer not happen, it gets you laughed out of the room and probably fired for wasting people's time. Tampa doesn't give us Stamkos and Drouin for anything less than a package like Mantha/Larkin, Mrazek, Nyquist/Tatar, and multiple picks.

Here's a hint: If you would "do that deal in a second" that means the deal would never happen. We aren't the only team that wants to win, you know.

Did you even look at the proposed deal? It's essentially exactly what you suggest. Just with Sheahan instead of Mrazek. Considering TB has one of the best goalies in the league in his prime and one of the top goalie prospects in the league, I'd think TB would be more interested in Sheahan.


They'd probably want to ship Stamkos out west, so the chance of him coming here is about nil, but the proposed deal is a pretty good one. Maybe not the best they could get, but good.

#2646977 Jakub Kindl waived

Posted by matt198913 on 09 January 2016 - 03:06 PM


#2646923 2016 Trade Deadline Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 09 January 2016 - 01:17 AM

Stamkos and Drouin for Nyquist, Sheahan, Mantha, XO, a first, and a secondary prospect. Some low end prospects coming back from TB to even out the contracts. The Wings are instantly better, TB saves cap space, moves an unhappy player, and gets future pieces. Unlikely to happen, but if both are moved, I'm not sure they get much more.

#2646959 Jakub Kindl waived

Posted by Detroit # 1 Fan on 09 January 2016 - 01:55 PM

Now, if Blash announced Ericsson was the healthy scratch on Monday night I'd be ecstatic.

#2646901 2016 Trade Deadline Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 08 January 2016 - 10:07 PM

I'm surprised at how many Red Wings fans here seem to be okay with trading away most of the Red Wings. And for one or two players in return. You all know we still need 20 players, right?
I'm torn about Howard. There could very well be a team out there who needs a legitimate starting goaltender and who could give us a good piece in return...but one trade plus one bad injury could take us from two #1s to zero #1s real quickly. I like the security our duo gives us in net.

It's not just 2 players. It's one of, if not the best, forwards in the NHL and a highly rated prospect. Imagine your top 3 forwards are Stamkos, Drouin, and Larkin. Get a high end D to go with that and you're a Cup contender.

#2645809 1/2 GDT : Red Wings at Buffalo Sabres, 1:00 EST

Posted by matt198913 on 02 January 2016 - 07:48 PM

I think the ice time of the Dmen says a lot about what's about to happen with this team. 65-47 led today. 52 was the low man do to him being awful. 27 is on his way back. Will Blashill actually sit a core get on this squad of the past? I gotta think Balsh is seeing the writing on the wall as far as the vets-rookie dynamic is concerned. More 21, 15, 71, 2, 25, less 13, 55, abd 52.

#2645463 Forward Line Combos/Discussion

Posted by kickazz on 01 January 2016 - 09:20 PM


That and the fact he has three goals playing with Datsyuk most of the season. Again, Athanasiou (when healthy) could do everything Helm does and actually finish on some of the chances that his speed provides. 

That is true. Athanasiou is bigger than Helm is and can probably (?) score moreso.


I think sadly Helm is actually pound for pound smaller than Datsyuk is.. So I don't know how him being a "net front grinder" for top 6 is that practical. But someone said in the blashill thread.. Blash has to use what he's got. Helm's probably his only realistic option to stick with Datsyuk (who wants a piano mover).


But there's also Jurco, who is pretty big and has hands. So idk, maybe he should play with Dats and have Helm drop down.


Abby - Zet - Larkin

Jurco - Dats - Tatar (this was an actual line last year) 

Nyquist - Richards - Sheahan 

Helm - Glendog - Nosek (Miller)


I know Jurco is injured for now but just thinking..


Alternatively they could swap Datsyuk and Larkin who could center Tatar and Jurco. There's practically a "goal scorer" and a big guy on each line and the 4th line is all PK guys. 

#2645167 Forward Line Combos/Discussion

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 30 December 2015 - 04:09 PM






or these top 2 lines would be good too since I'm not sure Rich Lark-Ny would work:




#2644962 12/29 GDT : Detroit Red Wings at Winnipeg Jets, 8:00 EST

Posted by WingsallTheway on 29 December 2015 - 09:19 PM

Losing is one thing, but man this team is so damn boring to watch on top of it. Besides Larkin and occasionally Tatar and Nyquist, there's very little to get excited about anymore. Z and Pav are shells of their former selves now. 


The Wings aren't retooling on the fly like Holland claims. They are just treading along in mediocrity seven years in a row. 




I've rarely missed a wings game in 10 years, and I've had little to no interest in the past 15 games or so. I just don't get excited for games this year and even when I watch I find myself not wanting to pay attention. Larkin is the only player who seems to play hard and does anything remotely exciting.


I'm over Blashill as well. How long are we going to keep Dats with Helm and Richards??? An infant could realize we need to mix up the lines but that seems to fly over his head.

#2643233 Goalie Battle

Posted by Aethernum on 17 December 2015 - 07:52 PM

If we pursue the trading Howard line of thought, we have to consider who gets bumped up. If Mrazek got hurt, do we have a viable starter to fill in? I'm not so sure. Everyone says not having one starting goalie means your goalie situation is insecure. I disagree - the best part about the Howard/Mrazek duo right now is that our contribution from the goalie position is more secure than any other team in the league, even if there's an injury.

#2632372 Roster Moves by the Wings

Posted by Detroit # 1 Fan on 22 October 2015 - 11:01 PM

Smith and Kindl both stink. Ouellet-Quincey would be a great third pair.

#2631146 10/16 GDT : Carolina Hurricanes at Red Wings, 7:30 EST

Posted by derblaueClaus on 16 October 2015 - 10:59 AM

Mrazek is getting the tougher assignments for sure.


Correct, because Howard always gets those bottom feeders with T like Tampa Bay, while Mrazek has to play cap era dynasties with C like Carolina.


I'm pretty optimistic this one will be better than the last one against the Hurricanes. Tats is due with a goal and we did look fantastic at home so far so I'm going with 4:1 Wings (Tats, Pulks, Abby, Jurco).