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#2676392 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 22 May 2016 - 06:19 PM

It makes sense to pay $6M and + for Okposo (20 goalso while playing with Tavares).

It makes sense to pay $5M for locker room cancer Radu.

It doesn't makes sense to pay $10M for the second best goalscorer in today'so NHL???


This whole "He played with Tavares" argument is false.  Okposo's primary center this season was Neilsen, and he scored more of his points with Neilsen than Tavares.  When Okposo played with Neilsen their overall possession numbers improved over when they were apart.  The same is true of when he played with Tavares.  Tavares improved Okposo's corsi, BUT Okposo improved Tavares' corsi as well.  Which shouldn't come as a surprise.  When you put guys who compliment each other together the sum tends to be greater than the individual parts. 




None of this is new though.  This argument has been invalidated just as often as it has been true.  Crosby is the best center Kessel ever played with, and Kessel actually scored WAY MORE after they were split up.  Likewise, Datsyuk is the best center Hossa ever played with and yet none of Hossa's five most productive seasons were on Datsyuk's wing. 


Saying "player X only scored as much as he did because he played with player Y" is only sometimes true, and absolutely isn't in Okposo's case.


Edit:  AND Okposo's best points/60 came on Brock Nelson's wing.  Not Tavares' OR Neilsen. 

#2676314 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 20 May 2016 - 04:39 PM

Yet Nyquist didn't improve and sank to Abbys production. We've got a $4.75 million contract scoring 17 goals and your concern is the guy who scored 19 and does everything else. Didn't you criticise this idea in Mantha's thread? "If a guy scores and doesn't do much else vs someone who can do everything else".

I like guys like Abdelkader. It's stupid to pay them that much on that long of a deal. Generally the idea of a long contract is to either lock up an elite player or to lower the cap hit for a lesser player. His deal does neither, and he's approaching the age where players like him tend to start breaking down. In three years I think we're going to be seeing him playing 60 Games on the 4th line scoring 8-10 goals, not hitting as much, and soaking up way too much cap.

#2676213 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Detroit # 1 Fan on 18 May 2016 - 10:25 PM

How is AA ever supposed to learn the defensive game at center ice if he never plays? We are not cup contenders, it's time to move kids into the spots they need to be and have our coaches make them better. That's part of the job. If you have a strong system, you don't need every player to an ace defensively. We couldn't score to save our lives this year, that was our main problem. So get the kids who know how to score into the lineup, let them do what makes them successful and over time develop their defensive games.

#2676130 Grand Rapids Griffins Playoff Thread

Posted by Detroit # 1 Fan on 17 May 2016 - 10:27 PM

Sproul needs to at least get a shot out of training camp. I don't care so much if they lose Jensen, but it would be a tough pill to swallow if Sproul never gets a real opportunity on a team that has gotten nothing offensively from their d-men for years. 


After his performance this season and in the playoffs, he'll have a chance. Depending on what happens at the draft and FA, I would be shocked if Sproul isn't the #7 out of camp.

#2675729 Jim Bedard gone... Ferschweiler demoted

Posted by marcaractac on 11 May 2016 - 10:07 AM

I believe Jeff Blashill uses modern analytics? Although I don't know how much it weighs in on his decisions.

His use of Ericsson and Smith tell me that analytics have zero impact on his decisions.

#2675653 Jim Bedard gone... Ferschweiler demoted

Posted by kipwinger on 10 May 2016 - 06:19 PM

One thing that I think is super important for both Houda, and whoever we sign to coach the offense, is a knowledge and embrace of how modern analytics can/should inform coaching. I don't know where any of the candidates stand on the topic though.

#2675724 Mantha

Posted by krsmith17 on 11 May 2016 - 09:14 AM

Be careful Rich, people may take that as you "over-hyping" Mantha...


F*** it! Mantha has impressed big time in these playoffs. He has been one of the most dangerous players on the ice in both series'.


I've also been very impressed with Bertuzzi and his knack for scoring clutch goals. I still stand by Sproul being one of our better defesnemen down there along with Russo. Ouellet hasn't stood out at all, and unfortunately aside from the game winner last night, Athanasiou has been lackluster at best...

#2676044 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 16 May 2016 - 06:07 PM

I'd rather we sign Okposo and Radulov than Stamkos and either of the other two. Gives us more money to accommodate a defenseman if we can trade for one. Stamkos is going to be a VERY expensive 70 point player.

#2675427 ECSF : New York Islanders vs. Tampa Bay Lightning

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 08 May 2016 - 07:22 PM

Steve Yzerman gets his team to yet another Conference Finals.  Just keep making Kenny look stupid.  

#2675196 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by krsmith17 on 05 May 2016 - 05:18 PM

I'd much rather keep Ouellet and Sproul, because both have much higher ceilings than Marchenko my opinion. Unfortunately though, I think Ouellet may end up being the odd man out. Sproul is the main one I want to keep, even if he's just the number 7 next season. I still have high hopes for him, and I think he could become a potential replacement for Green in the next year or two. Jensen, I think will be exposed to waivers, and I do think he'd probably clear.

#2674684 Ownership shows Support for Kenny Holland

Posted by uk_redwing on 30 April 2016 - 06:29 PM

Just popping in to say it looks like the penny has dropped with a lot of people. Ken Holland is a clown who hid behind the success of Håkan Andersson for many, many years.


With the majority of Andersson's players gone or on the decline there was never any real attempt by Holland for so many years to keep the Wings at the top, just a lot of cast away one-year rentals that and the never ending presence of Dan Cleary.


He has literally waited to the point where we're on the cusp of becoming a team that won't even make the playoffs before he's decided he actually has to do his job and make us a better team...although his job is apparently for us to expect less, so then he's doing a better job without actually having to do anything?


The guys a joke. Huge thanks to Håkan Andersson for giving us such a good team between 2006-10.

#2674183 Mantha

Posted by BinMucker94 on 28 April 2016 - 11:31 AM

I'm not really concerned with Mantha's defensive lapses. I'd rather they have him focused on scoring goals and making things happen in the offensive zone. There are enough 2 way forwards on this team

#2674060 Mantha

Posted by krsmith17 on 27 April 2016 - 06:56 PM

I don't understand where people are getting that Mantha is in any way being overrated by anyone?... The argument that any of us that are pro-Mantha have had is that he should have been in the lineup during the playoffs. Not because with him we would have without a doubt beaten Tampa, but because he would have given us a better opportunity than Andersson did.

No one has said he's an All-Star or this phenomenal player, we're just saying that he's a good young player, and he makes our team better. It could also be argued that being in the NHL for the Red Wings playoff run (which may or may not be still alive) could have been better for his development than being in the AHL for the Griffins playoff run...

#2674139 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by krsmith17 on 28 April 2016 - 08:17 AM

"One thing that we want to do, we want to help our guys get better," Blashill said. "That doesn't always mean production wise you're going to improve from year to year. Sometimes it has to do with minutes, and there are only so many minutes to go around, and that can affect a lot of things including production. But part of what we want to do here is make sure we help our guys get better and make sure that we get better as a team."

I'm hoping this is Blashill's way of saying that he will be relying more heavily on the kids next season to "help them get better". I'd rather lose some games with the kids at the beginning of the season than lean heavily on the vets again. The only way they'll learn is to learn from their mistakes in game situations.

I'm hoping Zetterberg is 2nd line winger or 3rd line center, and Kronwall is 3rd pair defenseman, both getting around 12-15 minutes a game...

#2674121 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by marcaractac on 27 April 2016 - 10:58 PM

If anything we could use a couple more Abdelkader in the lineup. Having a guy like him on each of the top 3 lines opens up space for guys like Goose and Tats.

Why do you think they've both had down years? They've been stuck playing together too much, giving the team an easy line to play against. That's why the line centered by Sheahan was much better with Jurco on it in the past.