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#2681483 Darren Helm re-signed: 5 years, $3.85m AAV

Posted by Detroit # 1 Fan on 01 July 2016 - 02:03 PM

Does any team value PKing as much as the Red Wings?? I value this thing called goal scoring, and we didn't do s*** today that will help that. Just for the love of god Blashill play the kids more next season, that would be fine.




#2680442 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Datsyukian-Deke on 29 June 2016 - 10:58 PM

There is no honor in tanking.  It's a terrible idea to purposely tank and I cannot comprehend how some of you suggest it as an option.  There are other ways to get back and we'll find our way there.


I'm not saying we need to purposely tank. None of the free agents are going to make us contenders so why give a guy like Nielsen who is 32 a 5 or 6 year deal worth 5.5-6.0 million dollars just because.


#2680398 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Detroit # 1 Fan on 29 June 2016 - 08:13 PM

As bad as the roster looks, and as bad as losing out on Stamkos is, it might be a blessing in disguise. We have to play young players now, we don't have a choice. No free agent that we could woo is going to make us a contender. At this point I wish Kenny would just buyout Ericsson and we go really young on the back end, a bump in the road for one reason during the retool could do a lot of good.




#2679671 Drew Miller re-signs... 1 year deal $1.025 million

Posted by krsmith17 on 27 June 2016 - 01:37 PM

People still believe Miller is needed on this team? I don't get it. He's terrible 5on5 and is incredibly overrated on the penalty kill. I'm not going to complain too much about a $1M depth signing, but there are a number of kids that could have stepped in and provided everything Miller can plus more, and would have costed slightly less...


#2679667 Drew Miller re-signs... 1 year deal $1.025 million

Posted by Dabura on 27 June 2016 - 01:06 PM

Miller and Glendening are possession black holes. Whatever positives they bring are outweighed by the fact that they spend all of their time at even-strength without the puck (often against top players, because reasons). You don't win with a fourth line that's "gritty and real good defensively." You win with a fourth line that's talented enough to be a third line and can devour other teams' bottom-sixers. Also, this is one less spot for a kid, which is always good to see. (yeah but thoes kidzn arnt real gud defensivly)




#2679554 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kickazz on 26 June 2016 - 10:53 AM

Does Backes still seem practical? He's going to want a long term and he's already 32 and his production was worse than Zetterberg's. It got to a point where St. Louis was using him on the third line.

2 year deal would be ideal but I think he's going to want a long term deal.


#2677774 Red Wings re-sign Riley Sheahan: 2-years, $4.15m

Posted by Jesusberg on 15 June 2016 - 02:21 PM

Honestly, I don't think it's an overpayment - just about everyone on the team had an "off" year. Guys like Shawn Matthias, Lars Eller and Colin Wilson all produced around the same as Riley last season and are making from 2.3-3.9M per. Sheahan was ranked #87 in the entire league last year in lowest cost per point. The deal will give both parties two years to see what kind of player he turns into, and he's still RFA after it's done. It's not a bad signing at all, IMO.




#2677499 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by krsmith17 on 12 June 2016 - 09:22 AM

I'm assuming that comment was directed at me saying we shouldn't trade Jurco? I've always said that Jurco is going to be a very good middle 6 winger, with top 6 potential, same for Jarnkrok and Janmark. A player doesn't need to be a "superstar" to not want to trade him. To trade a player with Jurco's potential as a throw-in just to get rid of Datsyuk's contract with one year remaining on it would be poor management in my opinion.

I'd hate to lose Jurco in any trade right now just because I feel his value is at an all-time low right now. However if he was part of the package that brought in a top pairing defenseman, I'd be fine with that, but not just to trade Datsyuk's contract...


#2676392 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 22 May 2016 - 06:19 PM

It makes sense to pay $6M and + for Okposo (20 goalso while playing with Tavares).

It makes sense to pay $5M for locker room cancer Radu.

It doesn't makes sense to pay $10M for the second best goalscorer in today'so NHL???

 

This whole "He played with Tavares" argument is false.  Okposo's primary center this season was Neilsen, and he scored more of his points with Neilsen than Tavares.  When Okposo played with Neilsen their overall possession numbers improved over when they were apart.  The same is true of when he played with Tavares.  Tavares improved Okposo's corsi, BUT Okposo improved Tavares' corsi as well.  Which shouldn't come as a surprise.  When you put guys who compliment each other together the sum tends to be greater than the individual parts. 

 

http://stats.hockeya...2015-16&sit=5v5

 

None of this is new though.  This argument has been invalidated just as often as it has been true.  Crosby is the best center Kessel ever played with, and Kessel actually scored WAY MORE after they were split up.  Likewise, Datsyuk is the best center Hossa ever played with and yet none of Hossa's five most productive seasons were on Datsyuk's wing. 

 

Saying "player X only scored as much as he did because he played with player Y" is only sometimes true, and absolutely isn't in Okposo's case.

 

Edit:  AND Okposo's best points/60 came on Brock Nelson's wing.  Not Tavares' OR Neilsen. 




#2676314 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 20 May 2016 - 04:39 PM

Yet Nyquist didn't improve and sank to Abbys production. We've got a $4.75 million contract scoring 17 goals and your concern is the guy who scored 19 and does everything else. Didn't you criticise this idea in Mantha's thread? "If a guy scores and doesn't do much else vs someone who can do everything else".

I like guys like Abdelkader. It's stupid to pay them that much on that long of a deal. Generally the idea of a long contract is to either lock up an elite player or to lower the cap hit for a lesser player. His deal does neither, and he's approaching the age where players like him tend to start breaking down. In three years I think we're going to be seeing him playing 60 Games on the 4th line scoring 8-10 goals, not hitting as much, and soaking up way too much cap.


#2676213 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Detroit # 1 Fan on 18 May 2016 - 10:25 PM

How is AA ever supposed to learn the defensive game at center ice if he never plays? We are not cup contenders, it's time to move kids into the spots they need to be and have our coaches make them better. That's part of the job. If you have a strong system, you don't need every player to an ace defensively. We couldn't score to save our lives this year, that was our main problem. So get the kids who know how to score into the lineup, let them do what makes them successful and over time develop their defensive games.




#2676130 Grand Rapids Griffins Playoff Thread

Posted by Detroit # 1 Fan on 17 May 2016 - 10:27 PM

Sproul needs to at least get a shot out of training camp. I don't care so much if they lose Jensen, but it would be a tough pill to swallow if Sproul never gets a real opportunity on a team that has gotten nothing offensively from their d-men for years. 

 

After his performance this season and in the playoffs, he'll have a chance. Depending on what happens at the draft and FA, I would be shocked if Sproul isn't the #7 out of camp.




#2675729 Jim Bedard gone... Ferschweiler demoted

Posted by marcaractac on 11 May 2016 - 10:07 AM

I believe Jeff Blashill uses modern analytics? Although I don't know how much it weighs in on his decisions.


His use of Ericsson and Smith tell me that analytics have zero impact on his decisions.


#2675653 Jim Bedard gone... Ferschweiler demoted

Posted by kipwinger on 10 May 2016 - 06:19 PM

One thing that I think is super important for both Houda, and whoever we sign to coach the offense, is a knowledge and embrace of how modern analytics can/should inform coaching. I don't know where any of the candidates stand on the topic though.


#2675724 Mantha

Posted by krsmith17 on 11 May 2016 - 09:14 AM

Be careful Rich, people may take that as you "over-hyping" Mantha...

 

F*** it! Mantha has impressed big time in these playoffs. He has been one of the most dangerous players on the ice in both series'.

 

I've also been very impressed with Bertuzzi and his knack for scoring clutch goals. I still stand by Sproul being one of our better defesnemen down there along with Russo. Ouellet hasn't stood out at all, and unfortunately aside from the game winner last night, Athanasiou has been lackluster at best...