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#2564976 Jimmy Howard.......All-Star!

Posted by Euro_Twins on 20 January 2015 - 07:42 PM

I would like to point out if Howard had let in 3 goals on 7 shots everyone would crucify him. Mrazek does and it's not his fault.


#2564828 Jimmy Howard.......All-Star!

Posted by Jesusberg on 20 January 2015 - 08:57 AM

 

no, what I was talking about was a couple years from now when Howie still has years left on his $5 mil deal

 

 

Oh? Because this:
 

I want you're honest opinion.

 

Does anybody really miss Howard right now?

 

and this...

 

Right, just ignore the part about how his playing style helps the team....icon_think.gif

 

Mrazek is putting up similar numbers to Howard's (so also 'Top 10') and has won 3 straight

 

and this...

 

You understand that at some point in every single player's career they "had no playoff experience", right?

 

It's not like Howard has had great success in the postseason (not all his fault, but it is what it is)

 

Edit: Yeah he is a rookie and he is young, which mean's he's still got potential to improve and get more comfortable than he already is.

 

When exactly is he going to get a full season under his belt so you can make a judgement on him? In six years when he's 28 and we've missed out on some almost all of his prime years?

 

aaaand this...

 

 

Not really getting a whole lot of experience sitting on the bench for 70% of the games or observing playoff hockey from the second row (all those season ticket holders on the glass have sooo much playoff experience by now, suit em up!!). I agree that's probably what's going to happen.

 

Though I don't know if management has the balls to get rid of a known veteran commodity who has years left on a contract paying him like (5.5 mil?) a season, even if they have a better player ready to go.

 

all seem to suggest that you think Mrazek is capable of doing the job that Howard's doing right now, only better because of his ability to handle the puck. Then suggesting that Howard is in his way of getting in a "full season" for the next six years, because management can't judge Mrazek playing 20-30 games next year - suggests urgency in getting Mrazek into the starting position ASAP. You do realize that they could be splitting the games 40/40 as soon as 2017-18, right?

Regardless, I really don't think anyone was misreading your stance on the goaltending situation, but by all means, backpedal to your heart's content.




#2564793 Are the Wings a Contender?

Posted by krsmith17 on 19 January 2015 - 07:03 PM

Kip, it fits your argument this time does it? You're really going to say that Babcock always gives his players appropriate ice time? He never demotes players for absolutely no explainable reason? Seriously? What about Weiss? Smith has proved time and time again that he deserves more minutes, he deserves to be on the second line, he deserves to be on the second power-play unit. But he is not. Why? Because... Mike Babcock...

 

Yes, all players should produce more when playing with better players and in situations to their strengths, and Smith has produced in these situations, but yet, he's still not getting permanent duty.

 

And yes, when Kronwall screws up, most of the time it does go unnoticed by fans, or at least not endlessly bitched about, whereas if Smith screws up, you never hear the end of it. I'm not blind to Smith's screw ups. I see when he screws up, but I see a lot more good that he's doing out there than bad, and that scale is being tipped more and more each and every game. He is improving immensely whether you want to see it or not...




#2562788 Franzen on IR

Posted by gcom007 on 12 January 2015 - 11:41 PM

 

I would gladly take Hossa's slightly higher cap hit when you factor in everything else he does that makes him worth more money than Franzen. Hossa is an elite two-way forward. He has obviously slowed down some from six years ago, but so has his counterpart. Even if it cost the Wings another player or two, we are still talking about Marian Hossa. He scored 40 goals and the Wings haven't had anyone hit 30 since. 

 

Imagine Hossa for all these years on Pavel's wing instead of Bertuzzi, Abdelkader, Helm, etc. It would have completely changed the dynamic of the team. 

 

Absolutely. He's a player you build teams around. He's going to make the guys around him better and set a great example. He would've been a tremendous asset to this team and I truly believe it would've made for a much smoother last four years. Having another guy like Hossa in the lineup, especially on a team like the Wings, sets a tone and raises the bar of what's expected out of guys, and you can never have enough of that kind of energy. If you can land a guy who brings that to a team, you do what you have to in order to make it happen. Furthermore, he raises the profile of the team, and makes it all the more likely that we'll be on players radars when we're trying to cut deals in the future. 

 

The most frustrating part of that situation was that we really would've had one year of cap hell. One. Everyone knew the cap was going to keep going up and we were going to have more room to breathe moving forward. All we had to do was find a way to make it work for one year and we've got another elite two-way player on our team for the length of his career. And hell, if anything, it would've been a double blessing as we would've been forced us to move some clunky pieces for something as opposed to losing them for nothing as eventually happened, with no major benefits gained from keeping them around.

 

But for the love, I've seen a lot of dumb stuff posted on here, but suggesting that Franzen is a better value than Hossa based off of points per game relative to cap hit is seriously one of the more absurd and utterly simplistic suggestions I've seen made on here.




#2562705 Lines Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 12 January 2015 - 04:26 PM

 

What did Henrik Zetterberg do to deserve that? Honestly though, I like those with the exception that I think Gus and Z should play together, like Tatar and Pav should. I don't know what to do with either Weiss or Franzen at this point -- one probably deserves a shot at a larger role and the other really just doesn't fit anywhere. 

 

I agree.  Honestly I think both could be traded without too much harm done to the team, but I don't see it happening. 

 

With regard to Nyquist, while I agree that he's good with Zetterberg, I don't think he's been very good at all lately.  Teams are checking him tight and not giving him any room to make plays.  I think he'd benefit from the mismatch on the third line.  Plus, it's not like Franzen and Z don't play well together.  They have for years.  And I'm convinced that Weiss will flourish if moved back to center.  He sees the ice really well, is a strong passer, and can makes plays quickly.  Put him with a couple of proven guys and I think the line will (collectively) do some damage. 




#2562539 Jimmy Howard.......All-Star!

Posted by Playmaker on 11 January 2015 - 08:34 PM

 

Wait until that happens or if it does?


 

Rest?  It's not like the All Star game is taxing.  It's suppose to be fun.

It's like saying going on a business trip is fun.  They still have to travel, stay in a hotel, do endless interviews, participate in skills competitions, play in a meaningless game and try not to get hurt or stay at home with your family, maybe go to a warm sunny climate, have a few adult beverages, etc.  I'd rather have Z and Pav be off their feet and relaxing instead of going to the stupid all star game.




#2562608 Lines Thread

Posted by Jesusberg on 12 January 2015 - 10:07 AM

If the second pair is just going to be a shutdown pair anyway, and provide relatively little offense, what do you guys think about moving dekeyser up with knonwall, and putting Ericsson with Quincey? I agree that Q and dekeyser have been good defensively, but if we can't figure out a transition game then I think we are going to continue to struggle.

I know this isn't going to be popular with anyone except for krsmith, but I'd actually try Smith up with Kronwall. If it blows up, switch it back. Isn't the definition of insanity trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result? Kronwall-Ericsson isn't working - they've got 6 even strength points together, and they're not exactly a defensive stalwart. I think throwing Smith up there might actually generate some offense, and perhaps showcase him for a trade (krsmith won't like this part).

Ericsson just can't seem to keep it together this year. I like the idea of balancing pairs, regardless of where they're supposed to fit, (Top 4 vs. Top 6, etc.) but Ericsson hasn't brought much balance to the pair up to this point. Honestly, I would try DeKeyser up there with Kronwall as well, but I think trying this first kind of gauges where Smith is at, and also leaves our strongest pair together (for now).




#2561999 Lines Thread

Posted by darkmanx on 09 January 2015 - 12:18 PM

I thought Weiss was terrible in Calgary, but obviously he's never going to fulfill his potential stuck playing on a 4th line with Glendening and Andersson. Even just flipping Weiss and Miller seems like common sense, though with Babs it's often hard to pinpoint logic when it comes to playing time and managing his personnel. 

 

It just seems like Babs makes certain players go through so many hoops to earn anything, while others get immunity or endless opportunities in a role before being demoted. Weiss can't get any traction, even though he was putting up points when he first returned. 

 

Weiss was our best player in the Edmonton game, he was one of our worst in the Calgary game. I think the back to backs caught up to him, which is why he played poorly in Calgary, but they have had a couple days off their is no reason for him to be playing on the 4th line. Give him like 5-6 games playing with Datsyuk and see what happens, you can't just randomly decide he's not good enough considering he dominated the Edmonton game.

 

I know it sucks to say it, but Babcock leaving might help this team more then we think. I cannot stand his decisions the last couple years.


Oh yea, Miller has 1 goal 6 points +/- 0 in 41 games. Weiss has 5 goals, 12 points, and is a +/- -1 in 18 games.

 

Good job Babcock. We are really generating a lot of offense these days.




#2561990 Lines Thread

Posted by krsmith17 on 09 January 2015 - 11:40 AM

Unbe-*******-lievable... It was bad enough a few games ago when he was stuck down on the 4th line, but now with Franzen and Jurco out of the lineup, he's still down there?... f*** Off Babcock! Did he hit on his wife or daughter or something? What the f*** did he do?...

 

I get that he hasn't been great the past couple games but you're not going to get him going down on the forth line. Give him some linemates that can help him out for more than a game or two and see if he can put another string of games together again.

 

Putting Weiss in the dog house while other guys (Franzen) continue to get a free pass, is ridiculous. If Franzen is out injured for 2 months, when he comes back, you can count on Babcock putting him on one of the top two lines, "to get him going"...




#2561350 Time for Teemu?

Posted by Jesusberg on 07 January 2015 - 03:53 PM

Absolutely! Imagine if we would have had Gus on our roster last year all the way from training camp. It's f@cking ludicrous that Cleary and Andersson are taking up roster spots over Teemu right now. I could see it if he was struggling down there or this was his first year in the AHL but he's leading his fricking league in goals! He also fits a niche need that we have right now for a right handed shot (HARD, ACCURATE right handed shot no less). I realize Kenny wants the prospects to be over-ripe before we bring them up but there's also a point where you have to bring them up if they're better players than what you have on your roster. It killed me last year to see some of the scrubs we were trying to recycle rather than giving Gus and Tatar a chance.

 

They're not, though. They're riding the pine. You can waive either guy, and Teemu simply takes their spot on the bench. In order for him to get any real ice time, someone else has to go. If he's up, who out in this team's top 9 sits? Putting him on the 4th line wouldn't do much good, IMO.

I want to see Pulkkinen on this team as much as the next guy, but right now it wouldn't do him or the team much good. Maybe if Jurco goes on IR, he gets a look, but I still doubt Babcock will bump Helm down to the 4th line.




#2561652 1/7 GDT: Red Wings 3 at Flames 2

Posted by Echolalia on 07 January 2015 - 11:42 PM

Smith adds nothing. He just barely gets by which is an improvement I guess. Still disappointed in his development. He should be contributing by this point in his career. You just watch Kindl with bias. He usually is our best defensemen in the offensive zone, which isn't saying much, but it's very valuable to the team

 

I could see how this would be a valid complaint last year, but this year Smith has been very steady.  Still not the offensive defensman that I was anticipating, but he has been the best defender we've had at moving the puck up ice under pressure, and I include Kronwall in that list.  That's something we should be welcoming considering how badly the Wings have struggled escaping their zone under pressure in the recent past.  He's playing much smarter hockey than he was last year, much more consistent, much more reliable in his own end.  He's also our toughest defender. 

Just a side question: how far did you expect Smith to develop at this point?  Collectively he has played less than two NHL seasons' worth of games (currently at 154).  That's not a whole lot of time to adapt, especially for a defensman, and especially for a defensman who plays under Babcock.  Give him some time, he's trending up.  And its not like he's hurting the team out there in the mean time.




#2561670 1/7 GDT: Red Wings 3 at Flames 2

Posted by daniel1 on 07 January 2015 - 11:50 PM

Also, up two goals in the third on the road, why wouldn't you go to two d-men on the power play? No sense in having the worst case scenario actually occur.

 

I hated it when Babs would put Sammy "The Shin-guard Assassin" on the point for the PP - that clown gave up more short handed chances singlehandedly than the entire rest of the team did. I am starting to hate the decision to put Weiss back there on the PP as well. I have no idea why Babs does this consistently. You don't really gain very much by putting a mediocre forward up there - an elite forward for his passing and vision I could see, but Sammy? Weiss? C'mon, just put a couple D back there and let them pass it around and not get burned like Weiss just did.

 

There are days that I think Babs is a genius, and then there are days when I think he's just too stubborn to admit it when something doesn't work!




#2560821 Randy Carlyle relieved of his duties by Leafs

Posted by kipwinger on 06 January 2015 - 09:47 AM

Jesus, please let Babcock go to Toronto.  Then he can put Kessel on the fourth line, Phaneuf can play 27 minutes a night because he's "heavy", and a their shutdown line of Bozak-Pannik-Clarkson will be an example to the league on how to suppress shots.  All associated with MLSE, the Toronto Press, and Maple Leafs nation will back slap themselves silly and marvel at Babcock's genius.

 

They will lose every other game 2-1, of course. 




#2559829 12/29 GDT - Red Wings 2 at Bruins 5

Posted by kipwinger on 29 December 2014 - 11:42 PM

 

Completely inexcusable nearly all of the time -- even more in a game where the Red Wings were only shorthanded once.  

 

Everybody knows that you can't put Tatar and Weiss on the ice much because only bad things happen when they're out there.  Well, that and they score goals.  But mostly bad things. 

 

Here's a fun game to play.  Mike Babcock bitched during the game that the Bruins were playing effectively in front of the net and the Wings weren't.  Now, for funsies, go look at where Stephen Weiss scored every single one of his goals so far this season.  It'll be a hoot.




#2559821 12/29 GDT - Red Wings 2 at Bruins 5

Posted by rick zombo on 29 December 2014 - 11:16 PM

IF, if I was a millionaire I'd live on an island with naked chics running around all day. They didn't win those games. I don't care about if. They weren't good enough to win those games and they didn't.


But they are good enough to win most of their games this year. And, like I said earlier, they're good enough to be top 5 in PP%, PK%, and top 6 in GA.

But you don't care about that either.