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#2532787 Alfie wants to play

Posted by Jesusberg on 22 July 2014 - 12:08 PM

 

Maybe we'd be better, maybe we wouldn't.  But it's not like we were good with Alfredsson, so why not try something different?  Sometimes it's all about the team dynamic.  Who ever believed Columbus would be a better offensive (and defensive team) without Nash, Carter, Gaborik, or Horton (injured)?  On paper it seems like it's crazy, but the team might actually be better in the long run.

 

 

Man, that's just sooo not on Alfredsson, at all. The team being "good" or not doesn't come down to one veteran player. He lead the team in scoring - a team that was without it's two best offensive players for a little under half the season, and was probably the most consistent scoring forward on the team throughout the season. He gives the team another look at the PP, and unlike Hudler, Samuelsson, etc. he can actually hold the blueline.

Holland has just left this stale taste in everyone's mouths when it comes to signing veterans. I can't stand signing vets for the sake of it - but this is one of the few vets in recent memory that Kenny should re-sign. For his production, it was without a good chunk of the core offensive players on this team. He was charged with carrying a load for this team that he never should have, and he still did a solid job doing it.

Even if you don't want to consider the guy a top 6'er, he's a great insurance policy. The team stays healthy and you've got a player who can add 50 or so points, he goes down with injury and Jurco can come up. I am fully behind the idea that one of Ouellet/Sproul/Backman/Marchenko should be in Quincey's spot, and I'm also fully behind Jurco being in Cleary's, but I don't think you remove a productive, veteran player from your team for the sake of change.




#2532346 Babcock Interview on 105.1 this morning

Posted by dat's sick on 17 July 2014 - 02:03 PM

I like Babs a lot and this was a good interview, but I have no trust left him in whatsoever when he says "the best players will play."

 

It does sound though like Babs really wants to find a way to integrate the kids on defense sooner rather than later. Which who can blame him when his other options include Quincey, Kindl and Lashoff? 

 

Babs also said the Wings didn't hand out any bad contracts in free agency. Out on the lake when the Quincey deal happened?

Babs did keep guys like Bert and Cleary as healthy scratches even when we had injuries. Though it took a while before it happened. 

 

 

I like the sound of Pavel's knee maybe being 'fixed' and that Z hasn't felt this good since 08. If those two can have a relatively healthy season it'll make such a huge difference for us. 




#2532205 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by plopster on 15 July 2014 - 10:05 PM

I believe he is talking about the guy who cancelled his ticket plan and explain why he didn't agree with the things they were doing.

They told him to go support another team or somethig along those lines.

I can't remember the exact thread it was in.


If that is true they better hope that doesn't get widely published. I'm sure plenty of people would be happy to oblige them if that's how they really feel. The franchise has certainly taken an ugly turn since 1 July, at least publicly. I can't say I'm a very proud fan at this point. That Quincey signing has me more pissed than the cleary signing. We all know cleary won't make the team. My only hope is Babcock doesn't get extended and a change is made as is obviously needed. It will be interesting to hear Mickey Redmonds comments during the season. He doesn't exactly pull punches when giving his opinions.


#2531861 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by gcom007 on 12 July 2014 - 04:33 PM

I'll make it short: The good (drafting, prospects) far outweighs the bad (arguably the missed FAs, signing of washed up Vets).
And, maybe most important for me, the Organisation is a classy one and Holland is a huge reason for that. I don't want to win a cup if we deal with things like Vancouver or Montreal or with having players who behave like assholes on the ice like Lucic.

 

Since getting a new GM automatically means we become a scummy, bottom-feeding team full of assholes...




#2531709 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by Euro_Twins on 11 July 2014 - 10:18 PM

I was able to quickly fix their direction of travel

 

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that would imply that the organization is moving in the right direction, I honestly thought they were moving backwards on purpose lol




#2531696 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by FlashyG on 11 July 2014 - 09:21 PM

Don't worry Kenny's got a firm grip on the wheel.

 

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#2531664 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by roboturner on 11 July 2014 - 06:05 PM

I was just going to post that. What exactly does  Holland expect his fellow teammates to say about him? Of course they are gonna say they 'enjoy' having him around. Of course they are going to say they 'want' him back because if he does end up back in the locker room it would create unneeded friction.

 

It's up to Holland to read between the lines here and make the best decision for the team.

 

And I would bet some serious money (if I had any) that nobody he asked talked about wanting him back because of his on-ice play and performances or how he could help the team win games.

 

It was probably all lip service to his 'leadership' (not seeing much of that anymore, otherwise he would show the younger guys how to walk away when you know you're hurting the team), or his 'locker room presence' (Is there nobody else on the team who can inspire our guys? Our captain who battles more than anybody can't so that? Aflie, who was captain in Ottawa for how long? Pavel? Kronwall?).

 

All he's done by coming back is piss off our prospects, guys who could be the future of the team. I can't think of any other organization that pisses on it's prospects the way Detroit does. It'd be fine if you already had a stacked team and were competing for Cups. I'm sure they would understand in that situation. But this?....




#2531665 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by ShanahanMan on 11 July 2014 - 06:07 PM

 

So it's true. He listens to the expert opinions of the staff he pays for this sort of thing. What an idiot.

 

I bet those same experts told him to resign Samuelsson, Williams, Bertuzzi and Quincey.

 

Seems to me like he needs to find new experts. 


I was just going to post that. What exactly does he expect his fellow teammates to say about him? Of course they are gonna say they enjoy having him around. Of course they are going to say they 'want' him back because if he does end up back in the locker room it would create unneeded friction.

 

It's up to Holland to read between the lines here and make the best decision for the team.

Exactly. The GM is supposed to be the freaking voice of reason for god's sakes, that's why he's the GM. Not just leave all decisions up to the players.




#2531671 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 11 July 2014 - 06:29 PM

Speaking of not valuing fans.....

 

This from Art Regner's latest article:

 

 

 

 

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The guy could just give two s***s about the fanbase. 

 

I don't have a problem with him not worrying about the fans reactions.  Who knows what the team would look like if he listened to us fanatics. 

 

It bothers me that he puts it on the players and coach and deflects responsibility for the decision.  He's the friggin GM.  He not only has final say, he should be pretty damn good at assessing players as well. 




#2531513 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by Detroit # 1 Fan on 11 July 2014 - 10:35 AM

CapGeek ‏@capgeek 52s

Dan Cleary's bonus is $1 million for 10 games played. #RedWings

 

This s*** just gets more and more comical, Dano is going to make 2.5 million next year :lol:




#2531506 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by kipwinger on 11 July 2014 - 10:03 AM

So here's an awful thought.  At the end of the regular season I was seriously hoping that ALL of Alfie, Cleary, Quincey, Bert, Sammy, Tootoo would be gone.  But IF I had to have one back it would have been Alfie (I didn't want it, but if forced to pick, he'd have been the guy). 

 

But now, after clusterf*** 2014, I'm PRAYING he decides to retire so that at least one of our young, big, hard to play against forwards makes the team.  If Alfie comes back I'm going to puke.  It means Jurco and Mantha don't play.  It means we don't acquire a defenseman.  It means we're the EXACT same team as last year (except a year older).  It means, in short, that we suck.

 

So please, enjoy your retirement Alfie, you've earned it. 




#2531434 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by Detroit # 1 Fan on 10 July 2014 - 11:47 PM

CapGeek ‏@capgeek 59s

Daniel Cleary gets a $250K signing bonus and a NTC. #RedWings #NHL

 

 

Someone... PLEASE defend Ken Holland now. He'sf****** lost it.




#2531374 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 10 July 2014 - 09:10 PM

Well, while it's mind boggling that he got re-signed at all, let alone for $1.5 million and a $1 million bonus, it doesn't really matter.  Since they're not going to use up the cap space, they could've given him $10 million and it wouldn't have affected anything but Mr. Ilitch's pocketbook.

 

The team has struggled for a few years, but I don't remember the Wings ever taking such a beating in the eyes of the media and general public. Utterly pointless signing.  And the fact that it's for so much money and it's one way doesn't make sense to me.  If this were pure loyalty, it would've been under a million and two way. 

 

Cleary is here to actually play in the NHL, guys.  Good lord.


 

We should start a drinking game.  Every time Cleary falls down without being pushed or touched, we take a drink.

 

I won't make it very far. 


That loyalty has been real appealing to free agents too. All it has done recently is keep internal washed up veterans on the roster long past their usefulness. Every quote Holland has made lately does give the impression he's out of touch or trying to sell something nobody believes except his mouthpiece St. James.

 

I don't know why they're not coming here.  


I literally spent the last two days arguing with guys who think we should trade Tatar and that "Holland's done everything he can" to make this team better but "you can't make people sign here". 

 

On the one hand I'm bummed that our already bad team didn't get any better.  On the other hand I'm delighted to have some evidence to point at the next time I say KH isf****** up. 

 

Dan Cleary's new motto.  

 

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#2531114 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by roboturner on 10 July 2014 - 03:54 PM

"I don't know why they're not coming here"

 

This is why, Ken. This is why.




#2531341 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by Zetts on 10 July 2014 - 07:50 PM

Just re-sign Alfredsson now and call it an off-season.

Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Alfredsson
Franzen-Weiss-Nyquist
Abdelkader-Helm-Tatar
Cleary-Andersson-Miller
Glendening

Jurco gets buried in GR.

Yuck.

I have honestly never been more disappointed/unexcited for the Wings than this off-season.