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#2623140 Abdelkader entering contract year, possible $4M extension?

Posted by Richdg on 14 August 2015 - 11:49 AM

That is the market. 4-4.5 million per season is a fair deal. he does more than just score. he currently is our only F that even thinks about physical play. he is strong in his own end as well. datsyuk and Z love to play with the guy, why should any of us fans question this at all?


the bigger question in my mind is Helm. he currently makes more than Abby and also is in his walk year. Does he also get resigned and at what rate? if he worth 4 million +/- per year? I like helm but he is at his best as a 3rd line checking C. IMHO I would use him in a trade to upgrade the D.

#2621538 Remaing RFAs to be signed - Jurco, Pulkkinen, Aubry

Posted by McAwesome on 24 July 2015 - 08:41 PM

General Fanager retweeted

Red Wings re-sign Tomas Jurco to two-year deal worth $1.8 million. Story: http://bit.ly/1JE3Br7


Savage more reliable?  ;)

Looks like they weren't as far apart as some would have led us to believe. 


This makes me happy, Jurco has been my favorite of the kids so far. I just hope he gets utilized properly, if so the numbers will come and his confidence will return. 

#2621513 Jim Devellano on Mantha's play: "Very disappointing"

Posted by Dabura on 24 July 2015 - 02:21 PM

Yeah I've read it. Exactly which of my points do you think is... ridiculous?


Mantha's season was, perhaps, a bit disappointing. His game still needs work. But the Wings knew what they were getting when they drafted him. They knew he was going to be a bit of a project. Anyone who'd watched him play knew he was going to be a bit of a project. He was never going to make the team out of last year's camp. At most, he might've earned a couple games with the big club towards the end of the regular season. He needed to learn defense. He needed to learn how to protect the puck against men. He needed to learn how to emerge from a brutal scrum with possession of the puck. He needed to learn how to operate with much less time and space and civility than he'd enjoyed in the QMJHL. His game was weighted wildly towards the offensive side of things. That had to change in a big way, and that's not a change you make in half a season. And that's saying nothing of the broken leg.


For all these reasons and more, you can't say his season was "very, very, very disappointing." You can barely say it was disappointing. He was in for a tough season even before he'd broken his leg. All things considered, 15 goals and 33 points in 62 games, with limited power play time and third-line minutes, is a pretty good year. If the hype surrounding Mantha hadn't been so absurdly huge, no one would have a problem with his season. We'd be saying he needs another year, and that that's no big deal because it's to be expected with a 20-year-old who's never had to play defense or compete against men.


But none of that really seems to mean much to you, which I don't get. The way you see it, Mantha sucked this year, and it wasn't because of the injury, it was because he sucked. And if someone tries to "use the injury as an excuse" for his "poor play," that line of reasoning doesn't hold up, because it's "100% speculation." Even though saying the injury had nothing to do with his performance is equally speculative and, in fact, much less reasonable. Because, which sounds more plausible: that breaking his leg right before his first NHL training camp and spending the first part of his first AHL season unable to do much of anything in the way of physical conditioning A) had a significant impact on his season and should be taken into account when reviewing his season and the progress he made (or didn't make), or B) had no impact whatsoever on his season and should not be taken into account when reviewing his season and the progress he made (or didn't make)?


He needs to be better away from the puck. He needs to compete harder. He needs to improve in some key areas. No one's more aware of this than the player himself. But I don't see the need for trashing him. I'm not sure most people appreciate how tough it is to go from being a big fish in the QMJHL (which is pretty much a terrible league) to a boy among men in the AHL, especially when you were such a big fish that you were never really asked (or taught!) how to play AHL/NHL-level defense and your shifts would often stretch to 120 seconds long.


I don't see the basis for saying he sucked. I don't see how comparing his first few games as a Griffin to Tyler Bertuzzi's first few games as a Griffin really tells us anything. It's sort of like the Franzen-versus-Chris Neil thing. Franzen doesn't play with Chris Neil's "intensity" and "edge" and "physicality." But Neil doesn't have Franzen's skill, talent, skating, hockey IQ, scoring prowess, etc. Bertuzzi's game, at this time, is more complete than Mantha's. So is Landon Ferraro's. But Mantha's strengths can't be taught or instilled, while the things he needs to learn can. Same deal as Nyquist, Tatar, Pulkkinen - except, Mantha's going to become a full-time Wing at 21 or 22 years of age, versus the standard 23 or 24. Because 1) he's that talented, 2) the things he needs to work on are things that virtually all 20-year-old snipers need to work on, and 3) the Wings are the best at taking raw talent and sculpting it into a rounded NHL player.


The kid's going to be a very good NHLer. He's not a problem player. He's not lazy. He just has to learn to play a kind of game he's never really had to play, and at the highest level. It's a process. It was always going to be a process. Nothing has really changed since the moment we drafted Mantha. There was always going to be an adjustment period.

#2618397 Red Wings sign D Mike Green (3-years, $18-million)

Posted by DatsyukianDekes on 01 July 2015 - 04:38 PM


More Green on TSN: "I was willing to take a little bit less on term to go to a great organization that I’m extremely excited to play for."

#2618407 Wings sign Brad Richards 1 yr, $3 million

Posted by Copenhagen848 on 01 July 2015 - 04:42 PM

It's laughable at how people complain about Holland doing nothing in years past, and now he goes out a makes some deals today, and some people still complain.


Holland signed one of the biggest d-man F/A's today, then picks up an UPGRADE over Weiss, for only one year, and people still aren't happy.


I'm 100% happy with what Holland did today.  Well done, sir!

#2617753 Weiss bought out (confirmed)

Posted by Guest on 30 June 2015 - 08:53 PM

This reminds me of one of the things I really didn't like about Babcock, though I didn't dislike him overall.


I don't think he put a lot of guys, most of those mentioned and David Legwand comes to mind as well, in a position to succeed.  Every guy is not a two way player that can play all three forward positions on all four lines. Seems like he was hell bent on forcing square pegs into round holes.   Not to sound like Dennis Green, but they are what we thought they were.  This is where I think there was a disconnect between Holland and Babcock.  Hated the Tootoo signing and he always annoyed me, but I actually felt sorry for him and for how he was treated.  Feeling the same with Weiss, although I think injuries were a major part of his issue.  I'm a little disappointed that we won't get to see if he could have succeeded with Babcock gone.

#2617466 Holland doesn't expect to be busy this offseason

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 30 June 2015 - 10:31 AM

It's been said repeatedly in this thread-this year's UFA class *sucks*. Why are people distraught that Kenny doesn't want to play in the muck? We have awesome prospects coming up, and I for one don't want to hamstring this team with overblown contracts on mediocre players that will then turn around and ass eff us when we try to keep all our young guys down the line.

That being said, I certainly wouldn't mind a good trade or two, but I want nothing to do with UFAs this year.

#2617406 Holland doesn't expect to be busy this offseason

Posted by Buppy on 29 June 2015 - 10:55 PM

I think if holland signed anyone people on here would be complaining about it. There's nobody in this UFA class that is worth overpaying for. I would love to have green but he's going to get paid way too much and that kind of overpayment wouldn't be worth throwing a wrench in the development of our prospects. At least one of those guys (ouellette, marchenko, sproul, Jensen) needs to get significant playing time next year

There's maybe not even anyone worth underpaying. Just adds to the logjam and depending on how Datsyuk and Zetterberg go, we could still be a worse team next year.


I'm all for some trades, and if we were to move a few people out it could make room for a UFA or two. But I hope Holland isn't feeling any pressure to sign someone just to appease the fans or upper management. 

#2617383 Holland doesn't expect to be busy this offseason

Posted by kliq on 29 June 2015 - 09:08 PM

Not surprised one bit, but still disappointing. Standing pat when making first round exits is not okay. All other teams are constantly aiming to improve any way they can. Wings have more prospects than they can keep, why not use some to bring in a quality player? More teams are passing the Wings up because they're willing to take chances and make moves. At least find someone to dump Weiss on. I'd even be happy with that and clearing space.


If we had an aging roster....I agree. When you are re-building, standing pat and letting your players develop is not a bad thing.

#2617378 Holland doesn't expect to be busy this offseason

Posted by greenrebellion on 29 June 2015 - 08:44 PM

I am fine with standing pat this off-season as well.  Give the kids the playing time.

#2617150 Things you would like to see for 2015-16 Season

Posted by Dabura on 28 June 2015 - 05:21 PM

Re: Trading Howard...


Hell no. Unless it makes perfect sense for us.


This is a two-goalie league; if you want to win the Cup, a 1a-1b tandem is pretty much a prerequisite (unless you have a perennial Vezina candidate who's durable as hell and consistently excellent). Look at what Darling did for Chicago. Look at what Vasilevskiy did for Tampa. Look at what Talbot did for New York. Look at what Hammond did for Ottawa. Hell, look at what Ozzie did for us in 2008. Hasek faltered (as designated starters are wont to do), and we needed a starter-caliber replacement. If Ozzie is instead some random backup, do we win the Cup that year?


Howard-Mrazek would and will be one of the league's best tandems (if not the best), and it'll cost us a combined cap hit of, like, $7M. It's pretty much an ideal situation. Howard was an All-Star last season (pre-injury, of course) and his "backup" is a prodigious stud. They'll push each other, bring out the best in each other. It'll be great.


For the first time in foreverrrrrr, I'm not the least bit concerned about the talent in net.

#2617067 Free agents this off season

Posted by jimmyemeryhunter on 28 June 2015 - 12:12 AM

he is but I could see us trying to use him there just because his hollands type ;)
no but seriously I have had my eyes on two centers that might be a good fit depending on term one is Vermette  and the other is roy I like Antoine vermette more but I guess it all depends on where we could slot him as far as d goes im  only into green or franson but its unlikely we go for green Ithink he will ask for too much plus Kenny wants the kids to come up im just afraid of what this team will look like with the same d core ......

Holland doesn't sign small old slow wingers to move them to center.
And our d will probably look the same, with Xavier oulette and/or marchenko on the team.

But it'll be alright.

#2616006 Yzerman wins GM of Year (& other awards discussion)

Posted by rick zombo on 24 June 2015 - 10:40 PM

Late 1990's to the early 2000's...Even with all that $$$, and a all-star roster the team failed to make the playoffs for 7 seasons in a row.
EDIT - I know I'm dating myself by going back to previous seasons...Just that I feel Stevie Y is by far the most deserving.

I agree. I'm mostly just being a jerk. I don't want the competition to succeed at all. Even Stevie. I just can't cheer for the GM of the team that dealt the Wings their most recent playoff loss. Same way I won't be hoping for Babcock to win the Jack Adams anytime soon.

#2592089 Will Wings Revisit Signing Phaneuf?

Posted by Yzerfan87 on 10 April 2015 - 03:15 PM

A young, super aggressive right handed offensive defenseman with LOTS of snarl is EXACTLY what this team needs (considering our current roster is literally 100% pussified)

Phaneuf is 30, and left handed.

#2615000 Free agents this off season

Posted by VM1138 on 17 June 2015 - 10:10 PM

Saw on twitter something about how the flyers haven't made any contact with lecavaliers agent on buying him out .... I was curious and went and check

Lecavalier has 3 years 4.5 cap hit left

I'm Not saying id do it but weiss has 3 years and 4.9 cap hit left

Would anyone take a gamble and make the trade?and then buy out lecavalier if he's god awful?

Contracts similar so it's 2 teams trading a problem for another

I'd probably try and trade weiss with some of his salary paid , rather then dealing with his contract for 4 years , or the 2nd option would be to just bury him in Grand Rapids for the season


Lecavalier is worse than Weiss at this point.  Weiss can still rebound. Lecavalier is done.

I can see a Phaneuf for Weiss, Smith and a 1st trade happening at the draft.


Babcock will never let this happen.  His going there has basically killed any chance of getting Phaneuf.


I know he's not a defenseman, but if the Sharks are shopping Thornton I'd definitely inquire about what it would take to get him.  He'd really solidify us up front, where we still need a little work, even if it's not the number one priority.