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#2608611 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by RedWingsRox on 19 May 2015 - 03:48 PM

Great news ... please accept Buffalo's offer.  Let's move on already, next man up ... congratulations Blashill.  




#2608529 Question for the Board regarding Babcock

Posted by Detroit # 1 Fan on 19 May 2015 - 11:13 AM

The rumors this morning seem to lean towards Buffalo offering more term and money. I think Mike's gone, and that's fine with me. Time for a change.




#2608565 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 19 May 2015 - 12:43 PM

 

Haven't seen this posted yet... about an hour ago, Kypreos chimed in

 

Nick Kypreos @RealKyper  ·  1h 1 hour ago

As of 24hrs ago growing spec' Babcock and #Redwings would have a S.J type "mutual decision" to part ways. Will be interesting next 24hrs

 

 

Why would Babs part ways with the Wings since we have Suter?  Kypreos said that was a done deal. 

 

He's just throwing more speculation on the fire in hopes of looking like he had a scoop.  




#2608467 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 18 May 2015 - 09:44 PM

I really don't want to lose Blashill for 4 years of Babcock. Will be interesting to see how this all pans out..,


#2608362 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by Jesusberg on 18 May 2015 - 02:02 PM

I'm actually kind of torn at this point. I'm also tired of seeing some of the line combinations and the way some players are being used under Babcock. At the same time, it's hard to deny that he's got a way to get more out of his players than you'd expect.

I'm leaning toward a fresh approach with this team, but I'm not going to be ticked if Babcock re-signs.




#2608344 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 18 May 2015 - 01:05 PM

Here's a fun fact, Babs' last contract extension was in October, 2010.  By that time he'd already won an Olympic gold and gone to the finals twice.  And all those accomplishments could/should have been used in the negotiations for that contract.   

 

What's he done since 2010 that would nearly double his last contract?  Win one Olympic gold and two playoff series?

 

Earned Holland a 5-year contract extension by getting Kenny's mediocre rosters into the playoffs year after year?   :P




#2608279 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 18 May 2015 - 09:19 AM

I think there is a very high chance that Babcock stays in Detroit. I think the Wings are his best option (best chance to win now and in the future) of the teams on the board, and his family want to stay in Michigan. In saying that, I've had mixed feelings throughout this entire process and I still remain up in the air in what I would like to see happen. Part of me wants to keep Babcock and another part thinks it's time for both he and the team to move on, and promote Blashill as the new head coach. I don't see it being at all likely that we keep both, so if we do keep Babcock then we will most definitely lose Blashill. What if Babcock does decide to re-up for just one season at a time? We lose Blashill this year and Babcock next year? I think Kenny is smarter than to allow that to happen.

 

I do think Babcock is very over rated and I get sick of some of his strategies and line mash ups, so I am leaning toward wanting Blash to take over. He's a great coach, and I believe he will likely win another Calder Cup with the kids this season. That will be 2 Championships in 3 years. I know the American League isn't anything close to the same as the National League but I do believe he can translate that same success to the NHL. He knows all the kids just as well or better than anyone in the system and I think he would continue doing a great job developing these guys with the big club.

 

I understand he's "Canada's coach" or whatever but it's definitely been a bizarre process, particularly him and Kenny sitting side by side for the TSN interview (Though the tracking of the Sabre's owners plane is pretty insane too).  If he does stay in Detroit, I'm trying to figure out what piece of information Babcock needed to finalize this decision that he didn't already have, unless this really was about using other offers as leverage to get his offer to market value and the money being there from Holland was polite talk. 

 

It just puts an odd tone to things if he stays.  I guess the positive outlook is that he saw what was out there and decided the Red Wings were still the best, but the flipside is, why didn't you believe that all along?  

 

If it were about how the kids played this season, he already has that info.  And Holland can't make any promises about landing free agents. Or if he does they don't really mean much because it's something that isn't under his total control, and he hasn't had a great track record lately anyway.  

 

I guess there's the possibility Babcock wonders if he's losing the room, which he seemed to mention in the interview.  But again, going to other teams doesn't answer that. 

 

I don't really follow the Griffins but for those who want Blashill, isn't there a great chance it's very much the same style?  I thought part of the reasons the kids could come up to the Wings so seamlessly (other than over-ripeness) is the similarity of the systems.  




#2608272 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by krsmith17 on 18 May 2015 - 08:56 AM

I think there is a very high chance that Babcock stays in Detroit. I think the Wings are his best option (best chance to win now and in the future) of the teams on the board, and his family want to stay in Michigan. In saying that, I've had mixed feelings throughout this entire process and I still remain up in the air in what I would like to see happen. Part of me wants to keep Babcock and another part thinks it's time for both he and the team to move on, and promote Blashill as the new head coach. I don't see it being at all likely that we keep both, so if we do keep Babcock then we will most definitely lose Blashill. What if Babcock does decide to re-up for just one season at a time? We lose Blashill this year and Babcock next year? I think Kenny is smarter than to allow that to happen.

 

I do think Babcock is very over rated and I get sick of some of his strategies and line mash ups, so I am leaning toward wanting Blash to take over. He's a great coach, and I believe he will likely win another Calder Cup with the kids this season. That will be 2 Championships in 3 years. I know the American League isn't anything close to the same as the National League but I do believe he can translate that same success to the NHL. He knows all the kids just as well or better than anyone in the system and I think he would continue doing a great job developing these guys with the big club.




#2607949 Kronwall in the Playoffs

Posted by kipwinger on 15 May 2015 - 10:52 AM

O god that means Blashil is the next Dave Lewis

 

Or Dallas Eakins.  Or Guy Boucher. 

 

Nevermind the fact that he's been a much more successful coach than any of them, no matter what level he's been at.  As long as it helps support that notion that Babcock is irreplaceable, Blashill might as well be the next Pierre McGuire. 

 

I can't stand all these efforts to run our guys down.  Because it's all a desperate attempt to come to terms with the fact that we've got a good team that's been underperforming.  Kronwall HAS to be less good than he is.  Tatar and Nyquist HAVE to top out as secondary players.  The defense HAS to suck.  Holland HAS to be cheap and incompetent.  Because if those things AREN'T true (note: they aren't) then that means we've got a pretty good team which has been underperforming.  And if THAT'S true, then Mike Babcock ISN'T a hockey messiah, who's getting every last piece of success out of a sinking ship. Instead, he's be the guy who keeps getting the same result regardless of the age, size, speed, toughness, skillness, etc. of his roster.  And that would make a lot of people wrong, wrong, wrong. 

 

And who likes to be wrong anyway? 




#2607447 ECSF: Tampa Bay Crying Coopers vs. Montreal Complaining Canadiens

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 12 May 2015 - 10:31 PM

God I hope Tampa getsf****** destroyed in the next round


#2606761 ECSF: Tampa Bay Crying Coopers vs. Montreal Complaining Canadiens

Posted by kipwinger on 08 May 2015 - 02:15 PM

 

You mean playing your 4th line over your top lines in key moments isn't a good idea?   :glare:

 

Well if you ask most everyone else, it's the smartest possible thing to do.  Because Mike Babcock did it. 

 

Another thing to do, and this is probably a long shot, is to play your scorers a lot.  Press offensively.  Control the puck.  And in doing so, make the other team use their 4th line 18 minutes a night and/or render their best player ineffective with defensive assignments.  Nah...what am I saying?  That would never work. 




#2606339 Jim Devellano on Mantha's play: "Very disappointing"

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 06 May 2015 - 09:38 AM

Red Wings say something that is true.

 

Red Wings fans mad about this.

 

Got it.

 

Apparently you don't.

 

Most people in this thread aren't mad and aren't arguing that Devellano's comments are inaccurate.




#2606343 Jim Devellano on Mantha's play: "Very disappointing"

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 06 May 2015 - 09:50 AM

Maybe you should reread the thread. The majority of people have expressed displeasure about Devellano being honest.

All he did was say something everyone already knows.

 

The displeasure comes from the fact that he could have kept his mouth shut.  Or if he wants to be honest, why doesn't he "honestly" evaluate his performance as well as that of the other higher-ups?   

 

Like hey, we can't win a playoff series, our young stars underwhelmed in the playoffs, our defense can't score and our signings/trades turned out poorly.  I like honesty, but Devellano needs to come out and criticize other things and not just Mantha.      




#2606204 Jim Devellano on Mantha's play: "Very disappointing"

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 05 May 2015 - 08:39 PM

 

Babcock calls guys out all the time.  He's done so with Kindl and Weiss recently.  And justifiably do.  He's done so with White, Commodore, Smith, and even Hudler in the past.  Why is it no problem when Babs calls out a pro, but Jimmy D does so with a prospect? 

 

Again, I see no reason to poo poo the kid.  The league, and/or the world, don't give a s*** how sensitive this kid is treated.  You either get over the hump or you don't.  That's on him.  But I don't think the organization deserves praise and/or criticism for how delicately they treat an adult man. 

 

I turned 21 in Baghdad, Iraq.  Nobody worried about my feelings, or all the intangibles, when I got performance feedback.  If you sucked, they said you sucked, and you fixed it.  I don't know why this kid deserves more.  Because pro hockey is so hard?   Maybe, but I'm not buying it. 

 

For me it's not that it might have hurt Mantha's feelings.  When the coach does it, it's one thing.  It's usually a calculated move.  This just seems so random.   Especially because  he makes it sound like the Wings have already given up on the kid. 

 

I don't really follow the prospects that closely but has Mantha been benched, or even criticized publicly by anyone before this?  For the Senior VP of the NHL club to call out a minor league player is pretty much going nuclear.   And isn't something I can ever remember the Wings doing ever before.  It's just odd, which makes me think it was Devellano running his mouth more than a plan to light a fire under the kid. 




#2606161 Jim Devellano on Mantha's play: "Very disappointing"

Posted by frankgrimes on 05 May 2015 - 06:16 PM

Comments were probably not needed.

 

But does anyone really believe he isn't disappointing so far?

 

Wasn't he like the next Yzerman?

 

He barely scores in the AHL...

 

Nobody - at least to my knowledge - expected him to be that. Once again guy has played his first pro season after coming back from a broken leg, that's not an easy task. Also Mr. Devellano should focus on his advisor (or whatever his role is) job, instead of slamming players through the media.

 

Also Leafs Lunch today had a nice discussion about that and I think they did have a point: Wings front-office might get a bit desperate here and sadly realize that the current group is able to get into the playoffs but not further than the 1 or 2 round without much needed youngish topplayers and how do you get them ? Through the d raft by picking in the top 5 :(

 

Ok so Mantha needs to hit the gym like crazy and other players don't Mr. Devellano ? There are almost 4 months off everybody needs to work on something be it bulking up, get quicker, lose weight or whatever so to single him out is a really dumb thing and absolutely unncessary.