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#2538780 Datsyuk to play Thursday? Weiss to be a healthy scratch?

Posted by Jesusberg on 07 October 2014 - 01:37 PM

 

Well, I don't think it's inconceivable that the team could have kept around one or two defensive prospects to fill out the points on the PP.  At which time you'd only need six forwards.  And we've at least six who are much more qualified to do that job than Helm.  Sadly, however, we've apparently got exactly two defensemen that Babs feels confident enough to put on the powerplay (and one of them is Dekeyser). 

 

Justify it however you want.  If you're comfortable with Darren Helm on your powerplay I don't know what to say to you. 

 

Speaking of, why is it that Babs would rather have Helm and Nestrasil on the powerplay than Smith?  I thought he was supposed to get a shot this year?

 

Which is what I really don't understand. I get that DeKeyser looked good on the Nestrasil goal, but when was Smith even given the opportunity during the preseason? They're using the 1-3-1 formation on the PP, but you can slot Mule in front on the 1st and Nestrasil/Sheahan in front on the 2nd. Smith and DeKeyser could work point and the right half boards... but I suppose Helm is a better option... for some reason.

Between this and the comments made by Babcock earlier about Holland getting two votes, I swear some of the decisions made by these two are to spite each other. It just makes zero sense at times. Zero.




#2538762 Datsyuk to play Thursday? Weiss to be a healthy scratch?

Posted by kipwinger on 07 October 2014 - 01:12 PM

The best players will play. 




#2538760 Datsyuk to play Thursday? Weiss to be a healthy scratch?

Posted by Jesusberg on 07 October 2014 - 01:04 PM

Bull****. Pure BS. 




#2538452 Callahan, Ferraro and Porter placed on Waivers

Posted by DickieDunn on 05 October 2014 - 01:20 PM

Callahan won't get claimed.  He had one fluke season where a bunch of pucks went in for him in the AHL.  He's not a scorer, he's not fast, he's not big, he's a projected 4th line agitator.  He also didn't look at all like an NHL player in the preseason.  Neither did Ferraro.




#2538241 10/3 Preseason Game: Detroit Red Wings vs Toronto Maple Leafs

Posted by Playmaker on 03 October 2014 - 08:52 PM

What's most annoying is that Franzen isn't even a good defensive player like he seems to think he is.  I don't think anyone expects him to score 50 goals, but damn, can he at least LOOK like he's trying out there?  Could he pop right back up when he goes down instead of taking a minute and half to get to his feet?  Could he stand in front of the net and block the goalie?  Could he throw his body around just a little?   Ack, that interview just got under my skin.




#2538233 10/3 Preseason Game: Detroit Red Wings vs Toronto Maple Leafs

Posted by Playmaker on 03 October 2014 - 08:39 PM

Note to Franzen:   Did you feel your goal scoring was only a fluke and you were a defensive player only when you signed that long term deal?  You like to win?  Did you notice the Wings won in 2008 when you scored a lot of goals in the playoffs?  Don't expect me to play better, just expect less from me.  Grrrrr




#2538215 10/3 Preseason Game: Detroit Red Wings vs Toronto Maple Leafs

Posted by Z and D for the C on 03 October 2014 - 08:08 PM

Yeah Gus sucks I hope Mrazek is our backup




#2537365 2014 Preseason Thread

Posted by nawein on 26 September 2014 - 09:49 AM

Kronwall isn't playing for a job?


Just trying to make the point that just because he was -2 doesn't mean he's the worst player ever and since the best player we had in the game also was -2 it probably shouldn't be used as a "omg cleary sux."

I agree he's playing for a job and if he wants one he needs to play well, but a stat line that says -2 doesn't tell me anything about how he personally played.


#2536916 9/22/14 7:00 PM. Preseason GDT - DET 2 @ PIT 1

Posted by xtrememachine1 on 22 September 2014 - 10:01 PM

Just got back from the game.  My 6 year old was a very good road fan for us chanting "Lets Go Wings" for every single "Lets Go Pens".  A kid across the aisle from us was waving a terrible towel and he waved it at my son when the Pens scored.  When Datsyuk scored, he goes "Not waving that towel now huh?!"  I was in shock, he's usually pretty mild mannered, but he was really getting into it.  Everyone around us just laughed, except the kid with the towel.  Here are a few good pics I got:

 

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#2536604 Training Camp Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 19 September 2014 - 12:22 PM

His statement is that there approach is now different. Of course there isn't any examples - it's a future proclamation.

 

For the second time, I realize that.  Which is precisely why I'd need for him to prove it, this year, in training camp.  Because it hasn't ever been true before.  Even in the past, when the rule was "tie goes to the veteran", the ostensible rule was that in situations NOT TIED, the best player would play.  But that wasn't the case either.  So for all of posterity, I get it.  Babs says the best player will play.  Prove it. 




#2536458 Regner: Next year could be Babcock's last

Posted by gcom007 on 17 September 2014 - 08:05 PM

 

I think making the playoffs is the definition of playoff caliber. It sounds like you are talking about being a Stanley Cup contender. I'm not denying our poor performance in the first round last year. Though I think that was more so due to match-up then anything. I don't see us performing like that against Pittsburgh. Not saying we win, but we definitely do better.

 

Either way, this is all semantics, we are a playoff caliber team.

 

We are absolutely a playoff-caliber team with Datsyuk and Zetterberg still around. Even with age and injuries, those two guys are still are remarkable players, and even in their absence last year due to injury, I almost feel as if it's reasonable to say that the hole they left was so large that it had much to do with many of the younger guys rising up and playing above a level that one would typically expect of them. When you still have a core of Dats and Z, you should be making the playoffs. I've said it for years, and I'm still saying it now, even in light of last season.

 

But...

 

We are not contenders, and despite what many like to say about how anything is possible if you just get in, it's simply not something substantial enough to be able to bank on. I'm not saying it's entirely untrue, but there is more of a divide between the contenders and some of the teams that squeak in than people realize. And oftentimes, some of the 7th-8th seeds that squeak in and go the distance were better teams than their regular season records showed, and they proved that in the playoffs. We haven't come close to proving that, and one could say last season, quite the opposite was proven.

 

Many Detroit fans were deluded by how close we came to beating Chicago a couple years back. The reality of that series was Chicago wasn't even close to being on their game and their stars weren't rising up to the playoff challenge as the series started. We took advantage of it early on, and then Chicago came back against significant odds and proved once again why they've won two Cups in the last five years. We certainly didn't make it easy for them, even in the final three games, but they found a way to crawl out of the hole and win, and they went on to win the Cup.

 

Last year, Boston manhandled us and proved that our kids weren't ready to answer the playoff bell. We just looked weaker and weaker as that series went on. Are we going to be a better team this year? Maybe our kids will improve, or maybe they'll still need more time to be ready. Dats and Z might be healthier, but any way you shake it, they're getting older, so it's tough to say how much of an impact they'll have on the scoresheet. Our defense isn't likely to be any better unless a kid comes up and overachieves. And while my money is on Howard bouncing back strong, he can't do it alone.

 

I think we'll squeak into the playoffs, but we're not real close to being able to contend for the Cup right now. We won't be until something more dramatic happens to improve the defense in particular, and until our kids mature to a point where they aren't shutdown in the playoffs, or perhaps in general when having to play a lesser role on a less-injured team. 

 

That said though, I don't think that's why Babcock would leave. I do think he enjoys working with the kids, and I don't think money is going to be an issue that affects the decision. I could see him wanting to move on for the sake of new challenges and experiences, and as much as I'd hate to see it, from his perspective, I could understand why he might want to go to a team like Pittsburgh. It's an opportunity that you aren't going to get very often. I don't know if he'd actually do it, and I don't know that he wants to leave, but I do think he's likely more frustrated with the way this team's been run than he's let on lately, and I think he is likely as tired of getting no help from the GM as any of us. He's made enough comments suggesting so in the press to infer at the very least that he isn't thrilled by all that hasn't happened in the last 4-5 years. I'm not saying it's an extreme situation, but I have no doubt that it's something that bothers him because he's been frustrated enough to say so numerous times.

 

You add everything up, and I could see Babcock going to another team after this season and I could understand why. I hope it doesn't come to that because I think he's a great coach, but it'd be hard to fault him. 




#2536368 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 16 September 2014 - 06:54 PM

Yes it is.
 
Any player who plays better gets better deals.... duh
 
Signing DD to this term at this price is GREAT. Complaining about his possible next deal, when he hasn't even played one game under this deal, already, is just digging for something to be mad about.
 
Couple that with the ridiculous "Holland's a low-baller" speak going around, and yeah it's annoying.

 

No, it really isn't.  If that's what you consider complaining, no wonder you think everyone here was doing it.  It was an offhanded comment in a post.  Other people were speculating that Dekeyser's camp was holding up negotiations but that wasn't complaining to you.

 

And do you think you're improving the nature of discourse here with your sarcasm and condescension?
 

 

Let me make this clear to everyone here for the millionth time. 

 

If you don't like a post about someone criticizing the Wings and feel compelled to respond, politely refute the points they are making.  DO NOT insult or attack them personally.   If you are unable to respond without doing  that, simply ignore the post or put that member on ignore so you won't see any of their posts. 

 

Like it or not, criticism and complaining can be on topic.  However, complaining about complaining or insulting how someone posts is never on topic.  Ever.  Posts that are complaints about other posts will be deleted.  If the mods repeatedly have to delete posts by the same member, that person will be suspended.

 

If you think LGW has gotten too negative, complaining about it only adds to the negativity.   Instead try making a thoughtful and constructive post about hockey that makes the site a little better.




#2536136 Who should get cut/traded by game 1 of the season?

Posted by DickieDunn on 13 September 2014 - 08:40 AM

Cleary should never have gotten more than a tryout, but now he's going to play at least 10 games to get his bonus. I'd like to see Kindl moved out for a rookie. Miller is pretty good for a 4th liner so he should stay. Jurco showed enough last year that a roster spot should be his to lose.


#2535945 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by Jesusberg on 11 September 2014 - 10:42 AM

There is over $5.9M in cap space remaining once Jurco is sent down, more than enough to sign DeKeyser to a reasonable contract as well as Alfredsson to a bonus heavy contract. Both Alfie's and Cleary's bonus' can get bumped to next years salary cap, so that is not an issue. I don't believe that this DeKeyser situation (if you can even call it that) has anything to do with any other player (Quincey, Alfredsson, Cleary, or whichever other player you can think to blame). This is between Holland, DeKeyser and Morris (agent) and a deal will get done, DeKeyser will not miss any games because of this and there will be no bad blood once it is done.

 

I think people keep forgetting this. Jurco is included in CG's estimate for the Wings. Who even knows what's going to happen with Alfredsson. At this point, it seems like a deal with bonuses and a lower cap hit is what he'll be offered - 709K is good for about 70% of Alfie's expected cap hit for this season.

I'm still not a fan of the Quincey signing, though. The defensive core feels stagnant. You've got Quincey and Kindl who are, IMO, playing below what you expect out of guys who should be considered seasoned, second pairing defenders. You can make the argument that Smith and DD can still grow and improve over the next season or two, and Kronwall and E are obviously solid. I would much rather have one of the GR kids over Q or Kindl - at least let Ouellet, Sproul, Marchenko and Backman compete to see who'd earn the spot.




#2536005 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by DickieDunn on 11 September 2014 - 06:12 PM

Kindl's issue is he's so inconsistent. My brother went to a lot of GR games his last year there and he said Kindl never looked like he belonged in the AHL. He always looked like he should have been in the ECHL or the NHL and nothing in between. That doesn't work at the top level.