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#2102174 Nabokov claimed by NYI, refuses to report, suspended

Posted by Doc Holliday on 21 January 2011 - 05:49 PM

You hate Howard. We get it.


Excellent ad hom.

Hooray for Crymson.


#2102170 Nabokov claimed by NYI, refuses to report, suspended

Posted by gcom007 on 21 January 2011 - 05:38 PM

You hate Howard. We get it.


Seriously? Really? Did you even read what I wrote? Funny that I would hate him and not like this move because I think that it's very likely to box him out of Detroit. Brilliant logic as usual, Crymson.


#2102161 Nabokov claimed by NYI, refuses to report, suspended

Posted by Drake_Marcus on 21 January 2011 - 05:31 PM

it is my belief that if Geno (I hate the nickname Nabby, besides that was a SJ thing) is able to become a Red Wing, Osgood will be put on LTIR for the rest of the season, opening up $1.4M of cap space and then at the trade deadline, they will trade Hudler and his OVERPAID $2.8M, opening up even more to allow them to acquire a missing piece to put them over the top to win the Cup. Trade Hudler for a pick, then get a player with over $4.2M in cap space...it's so simple it's hidden right in plain view!


Have you even watched the Wings play in the last month?

Hudler's stats in that time:
12gp 3g 8a 11pts +2 2pim ~15 TOI/G (I'll be damned if I'm going to add all the times on ice up for those games and average them)
1 Shoot out winner

So Hudler's apparently turned the corner since he got his confidence back after his 1g1a game against Colorado.

And now you're advocating dumping him? :lol: 2.8 mil is a bargin for those numbers. We can't be sure whether he'll play at this level (the level he is historically known to play at based on his previous NHL seasons) or the garbage play he showed us before Christmas. Either:

A.) you think his early struggles were because he had trouble making the transition from KHL to NHL (game play and physical conditioning) which was compounded by a slump that caused him to lose confidence in himself.

or

B.) you have some sort of mental defect and think that some time between his 26th and 27th birthday he did a complete 180 and became a terrible hockey player (and the last month is a fluke)

But hey, you were the loudest voice calling for Leino's departure (man that sure makes you look brilliant now).


#2102157 Nabokov claimed by NYI, refuses to report, suspended

Posted by gcom007 on 21 January 2011 - 05:30 PM

I see it as cheap but pretty damn good insurance.
1. You don't know what Ozzie's shape will be being off the ice for 6-8 weeks after a sports hernia surgery. What if he can't move in a certain way ...
2. Jimmy can perform in the playoffs, he did great last year but we lost in 2nd round. If he plays again this year, he will just get more mature and I think he has a good head on his shoulder. Don't know if he can take us all the way but people like Halak, Lehtonen, Niemi were the goalies that stood on their heads so anything can happen.

BUT having someone like Nabby in the bullpen if Jimmy does get the jitters or injures himself from now till playoffs is just good prudent decision. If anything, it shows Kenny doesn't have a lot of confidence in Joey MacDonald to either back up Jimmy or go to bat in case Jimmy goes down. For $250K to cover all those bases ... what a steal! I'm kinda surprised Nabby signed for so cheap but then he's probably still laughing to the bank with his $6 mill last year.


1. I think Osgood will be fine when he comes back. The fact that he was playing through the injury at all makes me think that he's going to come back strong. It might take him a few games to get sharp, but he's been looking good this year.

2. I like Jimmy and I have a lot of faith in his ability to develop into a real-deal starting goalie, but I don't think he's ready for the playoffs and I don't see how you can suggest he played "great" last year. Even the Osgood haters around here were calling for Osgood to go in! He had his moments where he came up big, but he had far too many moments where he utterly and completely dropped the ball. You don't become a playoff goalie overnight. I've maintained all along that it was just too much for him early on.

If we're able to keep Nabokov, it's really nothing but a positive in the short run. I trust him more than Howard in the playoffs at this current point in time and if indeed Osgood isn't able to get things going, it'll be good to have Nabokov around.

That said, I don't think this is good for Howard. He's struggled this year and this is hardly a vote of confidence in him. Do you think for a second that they would have made this move last year when he was playing great? Really? If he wasn't letting in 4 goals a game on a regular basis and getting pulled, do you really think Holland would make a move now? Even with the injuries, I highly doubt it. I really can't help but think this might be the first sign that Howard will not be returning next year. Think about this...

If he can't beat out Nabokov for the starting role after struggling last playoffs and then struggling this season, they're not going to want to throw a lot of money at him. Same can be said if Osgood ends up starting in the playoffs, but if Nabokov starts and does well, they'll sign him and Osgood up before Howard and Osgood. Howard's not going to take a backup role for a million or less now, but Osgood will.

One of two things has to happen for Howard to stick around: he either has to play great from here on out and steal the show and show some semblance of success in the playoffs, or Nabokov has to be terrible.

And personally, I'd rather hang tight until Osgood comes back and let them fight it out and keep them both around next year at reasonable prices. Having three goalies around is never a good idea. Even if they're all decent guys, the simple "two net" thing will get frustrating real quick.


#2100743 Wings Negotiating w/ Nabokov

Posted by Howard He Do It?! on 20 January 2011 - 05:26 PM

Jimmy sounds pissssssed.

And he would have the right to be pissed, if he had played better.


#2100533 Wings Negotiating w/ Nabokov

Posted by VM1138 on 20 January 2011 - 02:15 PM

Can you imagine how good Nabakov could be with a team in front of him that doesn't choke in the playoffs?

EDIT: I know he'd be coming in to replace Osgood as the backup, but part of me seriously believes he'll end up stealing the Number 1 spot from Howard unless Howard really picks up his play. Either way, a great 1-2 punch.


#2100145 Jimmy Howard will be back in net Thursday

Posted by Reds4Life on 19 January 2011 - 03:45 PM

Hopefully he gets his s*** together. He has been letting in soft goals on a regular basis.


#2096969 Red Wings Tough Guy?

Posted by Doc Holliday on 14 January 2011 - 10:54 AM

That you dont want the wings to have an enforcer or that they are pretty much useless? Lets give some Downey threads a look and we'll a nice hat getting munched on.


Well good luck with finding a post that says I hate the idea of having an enforcer.

Seriously most of us have been posting here long enough to know how you feel about enforcers, give it a rest. We aren't dumb. Its fine if thats your opinion but when its being talked about you dont have to all of a sudden act like youre being crucified for being against fighters. YOU MAKE POSTS LIKE THAT ALL THE TIME THAT MAKE YOU SEEM ANTI-FIGHTER.

Bring them up, detective.

I dont even want a goon on this team like some on here but come on man, everyone who can read knows your opinion on this subject

If everyone "knows" then it wouldn't be too hard to find something that proves it.

Or maybe the majority of the "pro-enforcer" crowd seems to misinterpret most people's opinions that do not agree with theirs as "anti-fighter". No, can't be that.


#2097223 1/14 GDT: Red Wings 2 at Blue Jackets 3 (SO)

Posted by Doc Holliday on 14 January 2011 - 07:22 PM

If the Wings won 20 games straight and then lost because a couple of players made bad plays, you'd complain as if those couple were horrible players.


Rafalski has always been a bad defensive player.

I don't need your approval when I post who I don't think is doing well.


#2097666 1/14 GDT: Red Wings 2 at Blue Jackets 3 (SO)

Posted by Doc Holliday on 14 January 2011 - 09:51 PM

And here comes the blame game. This ought to be good.


I think you spend more time talking about other posters than about hockey.


#2097746 1/14 GDT: Red Wings 2 at Blue Jackets 3 (SO)

Posted by Vladifan on 14 January 2011 - 10:25 PM

I really did enjoy this forum a lot more before the '08 Cup win. Since then, people have kicked the entitlement complexes into an even higher gear. It makes me feel sorry for the team.


As far as I'm concerned even though you may think you're sincere in your motivation, you come off as a condescending know-it-all. You.will.not.ever.be.able.to.fix.anybody.here.but.yourself.


#2097686 1/14 GDT: Red Wings 2 at Blue Jackets 3 (SO)

Posted by Aussie_Wing on 14 January 2011 - 09:57 PM

And I think you and many others here are immensely spoiled. It makes me sad that the team's consistent success over the last 15 years has bred in the fans feelings of entitlement rather than ones of gratitude.

:lol:

What exactly do you base this bold comment on?


#2097679 1/14 GDT: Red Wings 2 at Blue Jackets 3 (SO)

Posted by Doc Holliday on 14 January 2011 - 09:55 PM

And I think you and many others here are immensely spoiled. It makes me sad that the team's consistent success over the last decade has bred in the fans feelings of entitlement rather than ones of gratitude.


No, we are fans.

Sorry we don't live up to your standards of fandom.


#2097678 1/14 GDT: Red Wings 2 at Blue Jackets 3 (SO)

Posted by b.shanafan14 on 14 January 2011 - 09:54 PM

I feel bad for MacDonald, 2 games, 2 losses that weren't even close to his fault.


Good for Howard, he can let in 3 or 4 softies and know that his team can score enough to at least give the other guy the loss.


#2097677 1/14 GDT: Red Wings 2 at Blue Jackets 3 (SO)

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 14 January 2011 - 09:54 PM

And I think you and many others here are immensely spoiled.


Because we're not blind homers like you?