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#2043755 10/9 GDT: Red Wings 3 at Blackhawks 2

Posted by VM1138 on 10 October 2010 - 05:41 AM

Hopefully Ozzie gets to start more consistently so that he can build off of his performance tonight and let him regain the respect he deserves. Ideally I'd like to see him start as much as every other game, but it'll probably be every third or fourth game.

#2042837 10/9 GDT: Red Wings 3 at Blackhawks 2

Posted by Z and D for the C on 08 October 2010 - 11:48 PM

PLEASE Ozzie play good. Taking a 3 point lead after this game in the division would be very cool, versus down one point. It's a long season, but any jump is good.

#2042655 10/8 GDT: Ducks 0 at Red Wings 4

Posted by Carman on 08 October 2010 - 09:07 PM

Guys we have our 4th line on the PP, don't expect a whole lot :unsure:

Looks like Anaheim got away with gooning it up.

Our PP wasn't a good enforcer for us tonight.

We won.

Their enforcers were useless.

#2042667 10/8 GDT: Ducks 0 at Red Wings 4

Posted by Doc Holliday on 08 October 2010 - 09:09 PM

Soft Euros 1
Enforcing douchebags 0

#2042691 10/8 GDT: Ducks 0 at Red Wings 4

Posted by Barrie on 08 October 2010 - 09:17 PM

I'm really starting to think there's a problem with the Canadian players in the league. There seems to be a generation of poor sports, cry babies, and cheap shot artists towards the Europeans, lead by Iginla, Crosby, Thornton, Getzlaf, and Perry. Almost like it's a Canadian vs. European mindset. I'm wondering if it has something to do with the stuff Don Cherry says on Hockey Night in Canada?

#2042695 Pavel Datsyuk has a Gordie Howe Hattrick

Posted by Carman on 08 October 2010 - 09:19 PM

I just don't want our star player getting hurt in a fight.

Isn't that important?

Not as important as winning the game.

What did having an enforcer do for the Ducks tonight exactly?

I don't want Datsyuk getting in 10 fights a year, but one here or there isn't the end of the world. Especially when it's not against a veteran fighter.

If you understood hockey better, then you'd know why those staged fights occur.

I'm pretty sure I have played hockey at a fairly high level. I understand fighting, but right now in the NHL it's not a benefit to have an enforcer that can't enforce due to have the instigator rule.

There's not a NHL player worth his salt that is intimated of another player's fist. Do you think Matt Cooke is going to think twice if he has a clean shot on Lidstrom? Really?

Having an enforcer in the line-up just has a pure reactionary effect on the game in my opinion, something that is not the valuable right now in today's game.

#2042681 Pavel Datsyuk has a Gordie Howe Hattrick

Posted by Carman on 08 October 2010 - 09:12 PM

So with Datsyuk fighting his arch nemesis, that means Hank and Crosby are going at it later this year.

In all seriousness, he fought well, but we can't have him fighting out there. I'd rather see a Downey/Parros scrap like we saw several years ago.

That's why you pay certain players to do the fighting.

Because staged fights are important.

I'd rather have fights that mean something, thanks.

Pavel :clap:

#2022868 Why Z is going to have an awesome year!

Posted by mindfly on 05 August 2010 - 05:03 PM

Z could easily score 50 if he was put on all offense, now he's one of the best shutdown guys in the game and he's got to be equally good in the defensive zone... nothin new just sayin'

#2041057 Ritola will be traded or waived

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 05 October 2010 - 11:57 PM

Insults towards absurd-looking comments do not equal insults towards one's person.

Calling someone's post dumb is pretty much calling them dumb.

(One last post)

Ah were only that true. But I can dream...

And if he turns into a dud, most of those who are protesting in this thread won't say a word.

Which is why it's a good thing we have you here at the ready to pass judgment. keep up the good work. cheers.

apologies to the mods for derailing the thread. I facepalm myself.

#2041009 Ritola will be traded or waived

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 05 October 2010 - 10:29 PM

Nice attempt at yet another cop-out. I called your comment dumb because you accused me of referring to Holland's work as perfect where in fact I hadn't mentioned Holland at all. Instead of noting that this is true, you've decided to pretend that I'm somehow out of line in criticizing your choice of words.

He was brought in to eat a small number of minutes. He didn't contribute much, and playing in the playoffs doesn't automatically make a player worth anything.



And lol @ revisionist history. Irony, anyone? You're the one who has claimed that Meech did not outperform Quincey when it counted. That's a ridiculous argument and you know it.

Again, what a dumb argument. Where did I mention Holland?

I'll mention once again that Quincey played himself off the team. I fail to see how any GM could be expected to see a glimmer of potential in a prospect who failed to live up to expectations.

Again, how did this become about some imaginary feelings of mine that Holland is perfect? Why do you keep making that claim? What's your fixation there? I believe Holland made the right choice, given the circumstances. I don't recall saying Holland was perfect. What a dumb comment. Probably a cop-out, too.

The words you're referring to were intended to refute newfy's assertion that calling up a minor-leaguer to fill a #6 defense position somehow made that minor-leaguer a valuable asset by default.

See above.

Nice try. Perhaps it's time for you to attempt a response that does not include warping the poster's words. Then again, that appears to be a difficult thing for you.

Everyone has the potential to be a success story. Ritola, however, was at best a medium-value prospect. Further, he's only three years younger than Miller.

Nice try? yeah, why let facts get in the way of your invented argument.

How about you spend less time judging posts or being a Red Wings cheerleader and more time actually talking hockey?

I'm guessing that'll be difficult, because it seems you mostly have no idea what the f*** you're talking about.

#2041000 Ritola will be traded or waived

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 05 October 2010 - 10:20 PM

If I have 10 good defensemen, but I only get to keep 8, does that mean I only think those 8 are good?

Ummm... no?

That wasn't the argument I made. You keep the ones you think are or will become NHL defenseman. Holland may have thought Quincey was good, but apparently not good enough to cut it as a defenseman in the NHL. And we're not talking about bottom pairing. He plays 20+ minutes a night.

#2041002 Ritola will be traded or waived

Posted by Aussie_Wing on 05 October 2010 - 10:22 PM

And there's yet another ridiculous cop-out. The person to whom you responded was using exaggeration in order to prove a point. He was noting his belief that some people are overvaluing Ritola in their reaction to this matter. I agree. With this news, he in the minds of some people suddenly transitioned from an interesting possibility to a slam-dunk future success story. It's silly.

Who's saying that? He's got the potential to be a success story, one we sent packing for in all likeliness, a single season of Miller.

#2040996 Ritola will be traded or waived

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 05 October 2010 - 10:16 PM

What a dumb comment. I never even mentioned Holland in my post.

Even though you behave as if someone has, you actually haven't been given the position of judging all posts here at LGW.

Quincey was limited to ~six minutes per night, he never had to face any challenging situations, and he never did anything significant.

Nice delusional post. He never faced any challenging situations? do you realize how ridiculous of a statement that is? how could a defenseman in a playoff game never face a challenging situation. It just demonstrates how far gone you are when it comes to this subject. Inventing some version of the games where Quincey apparently just got to skate around there with no worries because he was coddled.

And he played 8 minutes a game in the postseason we're talking about. If you're going to be a condescending ass, at least get your facts right.

Quincey was limited to ~six minutes per night, he never had to face any challenging situations, and he never did anything significant.

Again, he played more than six minutes per night. But don't let the facts get in the way of your condescension and revisionist history.

Well, let's see. He played much better during the defensive injury spell of '08, when both of them had the chance to really show what they had. In fact, he played so well and was so involved that the Wings petitioned (successfully) to have his name added to the Cup that year. Quincey, meanwhile, was nearly invisible. He was badly outplayed by both Ericsson and Meech. By all accounts, Meech also had a far better training camp the next summer than Quincey did.

By the accounts that he didn't make the team. That's kind of circular reasoning.

Meech is waived, Quincey is an NHL defenseman. It's hilarious you don't think maybe holland missed something there.

And yes, the fact that Quincey did not make the team was indeed his own fault. That's pretty much exactly what I said.

I realize it's what you said. Because you can't fathom that holland made a mistake. His job is to recognize latent talent in players. Of course a lot of the fault goes with Quincey, but it's Holland's too.

Yeah, and you use hindsight to whine about Holland releasing him. That very senseless. I imagine that your very weak arguments about Quincey's supposed quality play back then are only intended to give you some base on which to whine.

I don't really understand your point here, but you're the one who has revised Quincey's play. He didn't win a spot, but you make it sound like he was a disaster out there and the Wings had to hide him on the bench.

Funny how you didn't address that pretty much any good coach would try to keep their bottom pairing away from the other team's top line, especially a rookie. That has nothing to do with Quincey's play.

Hopefully Ritola won't become another Quincey. If he does though, I'm sure you'll have plenty of posts about how it was all Ritola's fault.

#2040992 Ritola will be traded or waived

Posted by Z and D for the C on 05 October 2010 - 10:08 PM

People, face it... Ritola is not Crosby 2.0, but reading some of this thread you'd think he was.

Right, because if you would choose Ritola over Miller that means you MUST think he is the next Crosby. There is no way around it. You have revealed us all for what we are.

#2040911 Ritola will be traded or waived

Posted by Aussie_Wing on 05 October 2010 - 07:43 PM

Miller gives us MUCH better PKing than ritola. With Huds back we have acquired the lost PP depth and adding Mo will help the PP as well, so we needed to make sure our PK was up to par, with malts and draps in the end of careers we chose a better PKer over potential and Miller is more sound in his defensive aspects than ritola. Its not a big loss.

Yeah man, with Helm, Abdelkader, Eaves, Filppula, Cleary, Draper, we're so short on PK options!!