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#2047568 We need...

Posted by Booster313 on 15 October 2010 - 05:23 PM

As I scan the threads started in the last two games I see the following topics, "Osgood and Draper... turn the page", Lidstrom Final Year, with such replies as how slow he is, how he turns over the puck, how his offense is terrible. There's also "We need a goalie...Osgood is done, and my personal favorite and probably the most laughable, "Is Zetterberg on the decline?"

Yes I know that everyone is entitled to their opinion, and yes last night was an abysmal outing by our winged warriors, Osgood let in four goals on 11 shots and yes he seems to be a step slower but two were not what I would call "bad" goals to give up. The Wings were giving up odd man rushes and we couldn't sustain any offensive pressure. It appears we have been hit with the injury bug again Abbey, Rafalski, Franzen, and now Cleary are all out.

The part that I don't understand is the first half of this season, (yes two games ago) this team was playing so well that everyone thought the cup was on its way back. I know a lot can happen in half a season, (two more games) but it seems to me that the fall from grace was fast and hard.

These are the same Detroit Red Wings that have the longest playoff streak in pro-sports history, these are the Red Wings whose idea of a terrible season is a first round exit, they have the same coach that was "the best in the NHL" a week ago, they have the same 40yr old graying leader that the city and press alike were begging to return. We have the same two forwards ESPN and Sporting News rated in the top 15 league wide. As for our goaltending, we have an aging backup who was praised for his first start this year, hell the idea of a 50/50 split was even being tossed around, and a rookie starter whom was a Calder runner up last year and has already posted a convincing shutout this season. Come on people the Lions would kill for this measuring stick.

Now this is not to say that there aren't things to criticize about the team thus far, but the Red Wings have proven season in and season out that they know how to win, they always find a way to generate some kind of success...I understand why the press prints these headlines, it's polarizing and sells newspapers, I just don't get it from the fans.

This team deserves the benefit of the doubt.

#2047438 Wings need a goalie

Posted by Heroes of Hockeytown on 15 October 2010 - 01:50 PM

The team didnt look good last night, but come on Ozzie cant be letting in 4 goals on 9 shots. Its impossible for a team to get any momentum when that happens.

It's impossible for a team to get any momentum when they completely ignore Loui Eriksson standing at the edge of the crease, despite him being within feet of Nick Lidstrom, Brad Stuart, and Henrik Zetterberg.

And if teams can't get momentum when pucks are flying in through screens and off defensemen then they should probably find a new profession because that's what 90% of hockey is.

I think instead of simply looking at a boxscore count and declaring the numbers unacceptable, you need to aim a more critical eye at the events as they unfolded.

#2047555 Cleary Injured

Posted by Doc Holliday on 15 October 2010 - 04:50 PM

Are hole team is made of glass. It's amazing.

Are youf****** kidding me, guy?

#2047222 Zetterberg Slowing Down?

Posted by 10 Minute Misconduct on 15 October 2010 - 12:35 AM

Guess people forget about last years playoffs when he was the best Wing by far for the 3rd year in a row.

#2046030 Osgood to get the start in Dallas

Posted by eva unit zero on 13 October 2010 - 05:52 PM

Howard did suck but I dont him to come to waste. If Osgood is our goalie later in the year it will not be good.I picked howard this week for my fantasy goalie :ranting:

Yep, it won't be good if Osgood keeps up his strong play.

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Won't be good at all.

#2046098 Osgood to get the start in Dallas

Posted by gcom007 on 13 October 2010 - 08:37 PM

NHL goalies aren't allowed to have an off night? You can't be yanking your starter after one game. This has more to do with giving Ozzie time and the travel days than it has to do with what transpired last night.

A) I don't think Howard was "yanked." If it was "yanking" as you put it, they obviously just did it, but I think you're taking that angle to a bit of an extreme.

B) It's a new season. While Howard is 1a without a doubt and certainoy the guy you're expecting to be the starter of the future, don't be shocked to see Osgood played like a 1b so long as he keeps his game up.

C) The last time the Wings developed a starting goalie that actually ended up having a successful career, he took a backseat in his first few seasons at times and learned from a successful veteran. That same goalie is 3 wins away from becoming the 10th goalie in history to hit the 400 win mark. Moral? Sometimes you learn from watching and mature into a starting position gradually.

D) Howard's in his second year. He's coming off a great rookie season but he was quite shaky in the playoffs, rarely reaching the level of play he achieved in the regular season. No big deal, but clearly, he still has some things to learn. He knows it. Osgood knows it. Babcock knows it. They're all getting along pretty well these days. I've got a sneaking suspicion that he'll be okay however it goes.

Either way, the bottom line is that after a lackluster playoff performance and this being his 2nd season as well as a contract season, Howard's not going to get an overabundance of leeway this year. Babcock will not let Osgood go cold again and Howard is going to have to prove that he's not a one season wonder.

But until he gets sat for weeks to months on end like Osgood last year, it's incredibly premature to get worked up about this and refer to it as Howard being "yanked."

#2046018 10/12 GDT: Avalanche 5 at Red Wings 4 (SO)

Posted by Broken 16 on 13 October 2010 - 05:25 PM

Whether it was bad or was not bad is a matter of opinion. In my opinion it wasn't as bad as everyone is making it out to be. You can think that it was a bad goal, that's fine, but don't sit here like a jackass and pretend that there is only one point of view. Just like there is more than one point of view on whether Howard had a bad game or not. Get over yourself.

Do you always resort to name calling? How old are you?

Fact of the matter is, that goal was bad. Was it the worst? Nope. We can sit here all day and bicker over the many shades of grey when it comes to bad goals. I'm not interested. I think it was bad, you think it wasn't quite so bad... but still kinda bad. Whatever.

#2045946 10/12 GDT: Avalanche 5 at Red Wings 4 (SO)

Posted by mindfly on 13 October 2010 - 01:47 PM

This quote by babcock sums up Howard's performance:
"Asked about Howard's performance, Babcock said, "I thought Jimmy had a good shootout.''

#2045764 10/12 GDT: Avalanche 5 at Red Wings 4 (SO)

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 12 October 2010 - 11:40 PM

Okay, I'm sure you can find other reasons to attack his argument than the fact he uses big words. You know believe it or not, some people talk like that in their everyday life and it's not some attempt to condescend to others. It's not the first time I've seen someone go after Crymson for that and I think it's really sad. There's no premium on sounding educated or well-read anymore and if you do, you're accused by everyone else of thinking you're smarter/better than everyone else or trolling thesauri for words.

/rant off

My main argument was about his relentless need to police people around here who dare criticize the Red Wings. The excessively flowery vocabulary is merely a side effect of his condescension.

The greatest writers and the greatest minds in the world don't cram every single 8-letter word they know into a paragraph. It's not a sign of being educated. It's actually a sign of poor communication. Read his post again. His choice of vocabulary obscures his point. It reads like a PhD student who's trying to justify his degree by prattling on about paradigms and hegemony.

Though to be clear, I ultimately don't care what vocabulary he uses. I'm just sick of the thought police s***. Most of his posts, like this one of mine, is off topic and a commentary on other people's posts, rather than contributing his own thoughts. For the sheer volume of posts of this nature from him, I'd love for him to get suspended. I thought I was pretty clear on those points. The vocabulary was more amusing than anything else.

I could hardly believe it when I saw Nick throw back-to-back picks in OT. What a sloppy game.

No kidding! It's rare to see Lids look through a guy like that and put the puck right into his stick.

#2044678 Hjalmarsson Cheap Shot on Jason Pominville

Posted by titanium2 on 12 October 2010 - 10:37 AM

Wonder where all this critiquing and labeling as a clean hit after Kronwall devastated Havlat.

Hawks fans probably think Pominville should've spent more time developing his CORE strength during the off-season.

#2044562 Hjalmarsson Cheap Shot on Jason Pominville

Posted by Datsyerberger on 12 October 2010 - 06:18 AM

Copying my post from HFboards:

What I see:

1. Boarding call is the strongest one and more or less irrefutable. I'd say he fairly violently follows through with slamming Pominville into the boards.

2. No charging. Except for the launch into the hit (which wasn't any more than 1 push of the legs), Hjarlmarsson was gliding up to the point of contact.

3. Inteference is a touch tricky, because Pominville was the recipient of the pass and looked to gain control of it. He never did because of the hit + Hjarlmarsson's stick, but hits timed thusly are usually allowed. However, because of the amount of time Hjarlmarsson had him lined up and because Hjarlmarsson effectively took him out of the play before Pominville ever received the puck, I'm inclined to call this one interference as well (though I think, due to the closeness of the call, it won't have too large an effect on the ruling).

4. Hit from behind is also tricky, as Hjarlmarsson does adjust his glide path and there are multiple points of contact. Ultimately, I'm inclined to call this a hit from behind, though more out of carelessness than intent. The majority of Hjarlmarsson's is certainly from a rearward angle, and I don't think anyone can disagree with that. He does adjust before the hit, throwing from the side. However, he does so poorly. While his hips contact with Pominville's hips from mostly the side (slightly from behind, I'd say Hjarlmarsson's left hip contacts in majority with the side of Pominville's right buttcheek rather than his hip), due to the angle of Pominville's body (Which was unchanged and visible throughout the entire course of the glide and hit) and the approach of Hjarlmarsson's body (upper body thrust out at an angle), the point of contact of the upper body (and the place that receives most of the force of the impact due to the way Hjalmarsson launches the hit) is the right portion of Pominville's back and his right shoulder blade. Due to the angle of Hjarlmarsson's hips and his approach, the hips were the weakest point of impact, and because most of the force went into the shoulder to back/shoulder blade contact, I'm forced to call this one a hit from behind. I don't believe that was the intent, however. Sloppy execution is the key here.

Just to throw in with my analysis on the from behind portion of the hip, I give you crappy MS paint images to go with it:

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Hjarlmarsson approaches Pominville. Note that at this point Hjalmarsson is clearly behind and to the right of Pominville. However, note that Pominville's body is angled slightly towards the boards as he prepares to receive the pass. His left shoulder is thrust outwards, thus, given Hjarlmarsson's angle of approach, pointing his upper body almost directly away from Hjarlmarsson. Hjarlmarsson's upper body is leaning away from Pominville as he winds up the hit, and if he continues on his present path, he ends up in front of the slowly gliding Pominville with little or no contact.

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Pominville is in roughly the same position, gliding backwards. Hjarlmarsson, due to the angle of his glide, is almost directly beside Pominville. However, his body is still angled towards Pominville's back as Pominville's back is likewise still angled towards the boards slightly as he's set to receive the pass. More importantly, though, Hjarlmarsson has launched the hit. Even though his lower body is still in roughly the same position and moving the same direction, which would put him in front of Pominville (and due to the path of travel his legs actually do end up in front of Pominville's), his upper body is now launched in sidewards direction, still slightly behind Pominville with Pominville's back facing Hjarlmarsson's shoulder. Ultimately, though Hjarlmarsson is roughly beside Pominville, the approach from behind and the positioning of his upper body results in him contacting Pominville in the right rear side ranging from roughly from the side of his right buttock to the middle of his upper back. The weakest point of contact is at the sidewards portion, where hip contacts hip, as Hjarlmarsson's hips are moving mostly past Pominville's, while the strongest portion of the hit is centered on Pominville's right shoulder blade and right middle back. Due to the direction of Hjalmarsson's force and the mechanics of Pominville's human body, this causes Pominville's upper body to twist to the left, further absorbing the majority of Hjarlmarsson's thrown hit in the back and sending his head forcefully into the boards. The momentum of Hjalmarsson's lower body ultimately carries him past Pominville as the arrow indicates.

Ultimately, I think boarding and hit from behind are the strongest calls here, with boarding being the worst of it. I don't think Hjarlmarsson displayed any malice nor intent to hit Pominville in the back. However, it was poorly executed, careless, and reckless, with his opponent unaware of his approach and in a vulnerable position. Ultimately, the league is trying to cut down on careless hits and incidents that result in head injury, and because of that, I see a suspension ranging from 2-4 games, with 2-3 (due to the accidental, though careless nature of the hit) being more appropriate. 1 would be a touch light due to multiple arguable 'wrongs' in this hit (possible inteference, likely hit from behind, almost certain boarding), but wouldn't be outside of NHL precedent.

#2044517 Hjalmarsson Cheap Shot on Jason Pominville

Posted by Hockeytown0001 on 11 October 2010 - 11:02 PM

LOL "CHEAP SHOT" Okay!!! The hit was dangerous, but was from the side and Pominville saw it coming and put himself in that position. Was not one of those plays where you say that's dirty! But what should I expect on a wings board.

Stop being bitter about being the hawks rival and take a look at the hit in slow motion...take a look at Pominville and what he does. Thank God NHL officials will look at this unbiased.

You would be screaming bloody murder if Toews, Kane, or another one of the precious CORE was hit the exact same way and taken off on a stretcher.

#2043892 10/9 GDT: Red Wings 3 at Blackhawks 2

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 10 October 2010 - 03:55 PM

Osgood was consistent, not great. There were no times where I thought he downright saved a goal.

It was an up and down game for the most part, but because of Turco (a goaltender Chicago is going to be stuck with all year) the team lost out on a point.

I don't understand this reasoning. He did that 26 times last night. They just didn't look difficult enough or something?

And honestly if Ozzy stays consistent but not great for the season, that's enough to carry the Wings a looong way, especially as backup. Him being very good and consistent got the Wings to the Cup finals two years running. I'd take that any day over Fleury's spectacular saves followed by him scoring on himself with his ass.

#2043887 Andreas Lilja to Anaheim

Posted by 10 Minute Misconduct on 10 October 2010 - 03:40 PM


I'm sure he knew what the Wings offered tho. Highly doubt his agent just said no without telling him about it.

Salei is better then Lilja anyways.

If Lilja got elbowed in the head like Salei did last night he'd be done for the year.

#2043456 10/9 GDT: Red Wings 3 at Blackhawks 2

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 09 October 2010 - 09:03 PM

If not for Ozzie, we'd be down 3-0 after the first period.