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#2672089 ECQF Game 5 GDT : Red Wings at Tampa Bay Lightning, 7:00 EST

Posted by frankgrimes on 21 April 2016 - 12:58 PM

 

I don't care so much about the forward lines,  5 on 5 we have been fine but the D has to be juggled around and the PP needs a total face lift.  I would literally put anyone on the PP at this point if they will shoot the damn puck.  

 

Would have been nice if Mantha got the call up but somehow this organization isn't doing him any favors. Last chance to play with Pasha and no callup f*** that.

 

I'm honestly at the point where I do care who gets fired and held responsible just have a realistic plan and vision for the future if it ends tonight so be it.




#2671707 ECQF Game 4 Post-GTD: Tampa Bay 3, at Red Wings 2

Posted by Detroit # 1 Fan on 19 April 2016 - 09:29 PM

Its amazing everyone is calling for Blashills head. Same thing was said about Babs after his first year when the Wings bombed out 5 times harder than this year. Good thing nobody listened to the fans then.

 

I just want him to coach the way he did in GR. I watched the entire Calder Cup run, and some games the last few years. He always played the young guys in crunch time, he had creative systems, and his teams played tough. When we hit a rut halfway through the year, he turned into Baby Mike and ran down the vets trying desperately to just fall into the playoffs, and fall in we did.




#2668679 Mantha

Posted by Richdg on 15 April 2016 - 12:51 PM

 

I agree with you, despite my hilarious jokes about Andersson - he is surprisingly not our savior, or a Conn Smythe candidate at this point... Jurco is probably better suited for the 4th line especially because Andersson hasn't even been playing Center. That question comes down to Blashill's opinion of who is better defensively.

 

In terms of a rotating in Smith to jump start our team... We. Didn't. Play. A. Bad. Game.

 

We lost by a goal, to the defending Eastern Conference Champions in their building... We had 36 shots on goal, and a number quality scoring chances that could have easily gone in: I can think of Sheahan, Nyquist, Datsyuk, and Green missing the net on golden opportunities. If we play like that again tonight, we probably win - and If we did win on Wednesday, which was a hell of a lot better than the game 1 (we won) last year - this thread doesn't get to 9 pages. 

WE. LOST. Close doesn't count. We lost to wounded team missing their 2 best players.




#2668640 Mantha

Posted by krsmith17 on 15 April 2016 - 11:41 AM

I was a huge fan of Blashill with the Griffins and when he got hired as the new head coach of the Red Wings I was very excited to see what he could do. The main reason being, I loved the way he managed his roster down in Grand Rapids and put the kids in great positions to succeed. Things started out great with Larkin making the roster, and we all thought, this is the changing of the guard. We're finally going to start transitioning from the vets to the youth. For whatever reason, somewhere along the way, that changed. We started going back to the same old well, and leaning on the vets yet again. I'm not sure what caused him to revert back to the ways of old, if there was pressure from management to keep the streak alive or what. Regardless of when it happened or why it happened, there's no question that there have been major misusage of players for parts of this season, and especially down this last stretch.

I'm of the mindset set now that we've made the playoffs, we've kept the streak alive, we're not expected to go deep, now is the time to start playing for the future. We need to get these kids in the lineup to get them some valuable playoff experience, as well as potentially give us a better shot at winning. I'm okay with Mantha playing big minutes down in Grand Rapids, if that's what management believe is the best for his development. What I'm not okay with is Andersson in the lineup in any capacity over Jurco. And don't try to spin this as me saying that Jurco is the answer to our offensive woes (like some did with the Mantha debate), because (again) I'm not. What I am saying is that Jurco is just as good defensively, can also kill penalties and is about 100 times better offensively. Andersson is not an NHL calibre player and should not be anywhere close to this roster.

The defense has been abysmal at best, and Blash decided to make a change, he switched Ericsson and Quincey. Yup, that should really jump start this team... Instead of inserting Smith in, you switch two defensive defensemen, expecting some huge change? What a joke...


#2668610 Mantha

Posted by marcaractac on 15 April 2016 - 10:33 AM

Blash won't make the changes that need to happen until it's too late.


#2667416 ECQF Game 1 GTD: Red Wings at Tampa Bay Lightning, 7:00 ET

Posted by matt198913 on 13 April 2016 - 06:53 AM

I have zero faith in the management of the team. Players will give the effort but fall short. 4-1 Tampa


#2667281 Playoff Lines + Mantha Back to GR

Posted by matt198913 on 12 April 2016 - 12:37 PM

Dumb dumb dumb!!! Why are they so stupid not to realize they better get the next generation ready. Only organization in the league that acts like this.


#2667362 Mantha

Posted by krsmith17 on 12 April 2016 - 08:54 PM

No one is saying that Mantha alone will make a huge difference, but in a game of inches, a slight edge could be the difference in winning and losing. Whether or not he is a better option than the least significant player in our lineup is worth the debate in my opinion because again, that slight edge could put us over the top. I'd rather Mantha helping out offensively and on the power-play for 10-12 minutes a night than Andersson getting hemmed in his own zone and killing penalties for any minutes a night. The guy is not an NHL caliber player, evident a few months ago when he was sent through waivers and cleared. Mantha is top prospect and a great offensive weapon. The fact that anyone would pick the black hole over a "potential" game changer is mind numbing to me, but I think I've said all I can possibly say, and I've heard more than enough from the Andersson enthusiasts...


#2667263 Mantha

Posted by krsmith17 on 12 April 2016 - 10:39 AM

Andersson is just SO VALUABLE that four months ago we decided we didn't want him anymore, put him on waivers and not a single team wanted to pick him up for a measly 800K...


#2667200 Mantha

Posted by marcaractac on 12 April 2016 - 05:04 AM

PK ability, wins faceoffs, isn't a defensive liability. In other words, hrs a fourth line player.

 

Helm, Abby, Glenny, AA, Sheahan. These guys have been the backbone of a perfectly fine pk. These guys are all better at it than Andersson is. Andersson brings nothing to the table we don't already have far superior versions of. Meanwhile, Mantha gave our powerplay life while he played.

 

How much success do you think we'll have by icing all defensive players who can't score? Let me tell you: the answer is none. 

 

This series is gonna be all about speed and talent. Andersson can't even skate. 




#2667170 Mantha

Posted by krsmith17 on 11 April 2016 - 08:45 PM

Buppy, he looked really good to me because he was providing offense, he maybe didn't look so good to the coach because he wasn't / isn't a great two-way player. I don't see the need in having all 12 forwards in the lineup playing stellar defense. We have more than enough guys that play a great two-way game that we don't need to convert Mantha into a defensive stalwart. I want Mantha to continue playing his offensive game and line him up with two reliable forwards that can cover for him. I don't want him changing his game, in turn hurting his offensive game...

I'm not acting or suggesting you're saying he sucks or will never do anything. I'm not sure where that came from... I'm not sure if you're confusing me saying he's been providing offense with meaning that he's producing points. It's clear he hasn't put up a huge number of points but he absolutely did provide offense, and no matter how many times you say he hasn't, it won't make it true. He absolutely did.

Besides, the entire argument, for me anyway, is that we are scratching a player that is better now, and is / should be considered a much more important piece today and in the future, for a player (Andersson) that shouldn't even be in the NHL... Mantha should be playing with the Wings on this playoff run. Disagree if you like, but don't try to suggest that hasn't provided offense, because it simply isn't true...


#2667097 Mantha

Posted by Richdg on 11 April 2016 - 02:28 PM

2 goals in 10 games over the course of a season is 16 goals. How many current F's scored that many this year? 4. 16 goals would be tied for 5th with Datsyuk this year. For anyone that doesn't think he made a difference isn't watching the games. he did what he should do: get the loose pucks behind the net and along the boards, he scored goals in front of the net-which BTW isn't his game. Blashill used him wrong-mainly because he has no other choices. Mantha is a sniper and is great at driving the net-not camping in front of it. But that is another issue all together.

Now he wasn't playing so yes send him down and let him play. But stop with the stupid statements. he wasn't a spare part in the PO's last year. he played every game for the Griffins.




#2666998 Mantha

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 11 April 2016 - 05:02 AM

Argh I don't really enjoy bashing management, because I always will feel that they know better than we do, and yea I can live with Mantha being sent down, but what I can't is Andersson coming up AND being inserted into the lineup. 

 

It's driving me nuts at the moment, like, is there a plan here? It's more than obvious something here has to change. Richards is just, never even close to a top 6 player, so why is he constantly on the PP, playing is situations where goals are generally scored. He was good, but now loses puck battles, and is slow. It's no wonder this team can't generate any kind of offence because they have no forecheck as by the time the old guys have skated down to retrieve the puck, its already going back the other way. 

 

 

What bothers me is how AA plays only 5-8 minutes a night, and yet has looked at times one of our better forwards, has scored some good goals down the stretch too, yet consistently is labelled as bad defensively. What the f*** do they want, a team of selke trophy nominees? 2 players with big offensive potential - Pulkkinen - ok fine he hasn't been up to snuff, but he and Mantha, don't we think they ought to be given more chance instead of stuck in this system which seems to suck all the life out of our team's offensive ability. 

 

It feels like they're just realising we don't have any high end talent anymore, so they're converting to a New Jersey type suffocating D kind of game whereby we don't need any all stars and can squeeze out games. Oh. Except we don't have the D (minus DK) and goaltending. 

 

I'd really love to believe in this team, I really would. But I have to wonder who's driving the bus right now because it just doesn't seem to make that much sense. Give your kids a chance to play, let them learn, and if we miss the playoffs? So what. 




#2666974 Mantha

Posted by krsmith17 on 10 April 2016 - 10:15 PM

Buppy, I strongly disagree that it's still all just potential at this point. I think Mantha looked great in his short stint, despite the lack of production. He has provided offensive pressure and created quite a few scoring chances for himself and his teammates on his own. Although the points haven't been coming the way they probably should, he was a huge contributing factor to the success of the power-play. His size and reach alone are huge assets, and he wins a lot of board battles. It's not as if he was a defensive liability at all either and with Pav on his line, we don't need a defensive dynamo out there.

Like others have mentioned, we've made the playoffs, we're not expected to go far (a round or two with a little luck) and now is the time to get these kids in the lineup to get experience and learn from their mistakes. Especially with this potentially being Datsyuk's last season, Mantha should be up, soaking in as much as he can, while he still can. If Andersson is in the lineup over Mantha and Jurco for game one, I'll lose my s***...


#2666958 Mantha

Posted by marcaractac on 10 April 2016 - 09:06 PM

What has Mantha done to earn a roster spot in the playoffs?  Not a thing.


What has Andersson done to deserve one?