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#2534080 Alfie wants to play

Posted by kipwinger on 12 August 2014 - 10:00 AM

Does anyone actually think that if Jurco starts the season down in Grand Rapids, he is stuck down there?... I don't believe for a second that we will be hit nearly as bad with injuries this coming season, but yes, there will absolutely be injuries. Let's say we start the season with Jurco and no Alfredsson, a player gets injured and now we have Jurco and Andersson in the lineup. Whereas if that same player got injured, it could have been Jurco and Alfredsson instead of Andersson. Is there anyone that would choose Andersson over Alfredsson?... Depth is huge!


Wait, if I understand your logic correctly you're suggesting we put a player in the minors even though he'd make our team better, just in case we have an injury.  That way, in the event of said injury, you can call him up to make the team better? 


If that's the case, why not start half the team in GR and fill their spots with dudes who aren't as good.  Then, when they all get hurt, you can call up the guys who should have been there in the first place. 

That's your reality Frank, and to be quite honest I feel bad for you and all the others on here with the negative attitude toward the team and management.

Like I said, I will place a hefty wager on the Wings finishing significantly higher than they did last season. I will also bet that they face half the amount of injuries they did last season.

Things don't always have to be doom and gloom. The future is bright and that brightness is a lot closer than many of you think.


I don't think anybody is doubting we'll have a better regular season.  Sure we will.  But I thought we had higher standards than that in Detroit.  I thought we were supposed to compete for Cups and be elite?  I remember when the phrase "class of the league" used to follow mention of the Wings.


Bemoan all the injuries you want.  With or without them, we've still done nothing to improve the weaknesses that have gotten us crushed in the playoffs for the last 5 years. 

#2534038 Alfie wants to play

Posted by Detroit # 1 Fan on 11 August 2014 - 08:52 PM

The scary part is Holland knows Alfredsson can't play 82 games, but seems more then willing to sign him. I wish we would move on, but we won't. #11 and #71 in the starting line-up, baby!

#2534023 Alfie wants to play

Posted by Red Crazy on 11 August 2014 - 06:07 PM

I like Alfie but this team as it stands today is a fringe playoff team and we might as well play the young guys and give them a look at this point. 

#2533226 Tatar Signs 3 Year Deal $2.75 mill AAV

Posted by dat's sick on 28 July 2014 - 09:24 PM

too much money. He best get 25-30 goals in each of his years...this is the reason the salary cap was put in place. There is no way a sub twenty goal scoring RFA should be anywhere near this amount. But it is Ken Holland. He hasn't changed anything in his approach. This means Diesel will get at least $4M.

You should probably look up what young 20 goal scorers get in this league these days. This is a good deal if he never gets more than 20, if he gets 25+ it's fantastic. It's also worth noting that Tatar is very much his own product, he hasn't been feeding off Dats or Z or the PP for his production.

#2532787 Alfie wants to play

Posted by Jesusberg on 22 July 2014 - 12:08 PM


Maybe we'd be better, maybe we wouldn't.  But it's not like we were good with Alfredsson, so why not try something different?  Sometimes it's all about the team dynamic.  Who ever believed Columbus would be a better offensive (and defensive team) without Nash, Carter, Gaborik, or Horton (injured)?  On paper it seems like it's crazy, but the team might actually be better in the long run.



Man, that's just sooo not on Alfredsson, at all. The team being "good" or not doesn't come down to one veteran player. He lead the team in scoring - a team that was without it's two best offensive players for a little under half the season, and was probably the most consistent scoring forward on the team throughout the season. He gives the team another look at the PP, and unlike Hudler, Samuelsson, etc. he can actually hold the blueline.

Holland has just left this stale taste in everyone's mouths when it comes to signing veterans. I can't stand signing vets for the sake of it - but this is one of the few vets in recent memory that Kenny should re-sign. For his production, it was without a good chunk of the core offensive players on this team. He was charged with carrying a load for this team that he never should have, and he still did a solid job doing it.

Even if you don't want to consider the guy a top 6'er, he's a great insurance policy. The team stays healthy and you've got a player who can add 50 or so points, he goes down with injury and Jurco can come up. I am fully behind the idea that one of Ouellet/Sproul/Backman/Marchenko should be in Quincey's spot, and I'm also fully behind Jurco being in Cleary's, but I don't think you remove a productive, veteran player from your team for the sake of change.

#2532346 Babcock Interview on 105.1 this morning

Posted by dat's sick on 17 July 2014 - 02:03 PM

I like Babs a lot and this was a good interview, but I have no trust left him in whatsoever when he says "the best players will play."


It does sound though like Babs really wants to find a way to integrate the kids on defense sooner rather than later. Which who can blame him when his other options include Quincey, Kindl and Lashoff? 


Babs also said the Wings didn't hand out any bad contracts in free agency. Out on the lake when the Quincey deal happened?

Babs did keep guys like Bert and Cleary as healthy scratches even when we had injuries. Though it took a while before it happened. 



I like the sound of Pavel's knee maybe being 'fixed' and that Z hasn't felt this good since 08. If those two can have a relatively healthy season it'll make such a huge difference for us. 

#2532205 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by plopster on 15 July 2014 - 10:05 PM

I believe he is talking about the guy who cancelled his ticket plan and explain why he didn't agree with the things they were doing.

They told him to go support another team or somethig along those lines.

I can't remember the exact thread it was in.

If that is true they better hope that doesn't get widely published. I'm sure plenty of people would be happy to oblige them if that's how they really feel. The franchise has certainly taken an ugly turn since 1 July, at least publicly. I can't say I'm a very proud fan at this point. That Quincey signing has me more pissed than the cleary signing. We all know cleary won't make the team. My only hope is Babcock doesn't get extended and a change is made as is obviously needed. It will be interesting to hear Mickey Redmonds comments during the season. He doesn't exactly pull punches when giving his opinions.

#2531861 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by gcom007 on 12 July 2014 - 04:33 PM

I'll make it short: The good (drafting, prospects) far outweighs the bad (arguably the missed FAs, signing of washed up Vets).
And, maybe most important for me, the Organisation is a classy one and Holland is a huge reason for that. I don't want to win a cup if we deal with things like Vancouver or Montreal or with having players who behave like assholes on the ice like Lucic.


Since getting a new GM automatically means we become a scummy, bottom-feeding team full of assholes...

#2531709 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by Euro_Twins on 11 July 2014 - 10:18 PM

I was able to quickly fix their direction of travel




that would imply that the organization is moving in the right direction, I honestly thought they were moving backwards on purpose lol

#2531696 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by FlashyG on 11 July 2014 - 09:21 PM

Don't worry Kenny's got a firm grip on the wheel.



#2531664 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by roboturner on 11 July 2014 - 06:05 PM

I was just going to post that. What exactly does  Holland expect his fellow teammates to say about him? Of course they are gonna say they 'enjoy' having him around. Of course they are going to say they 'want' him back because if he does end up back in the locker room it would create unneeded friction.


It's up to Holland to read between the lines here and make the best decision for the team.


And I would bet some serious money (if I had any) that nobody he asked talked about wanting him back because of his on-ice play and performances or how he could help the team win games.


It was probably all lip service to his 'leadership' (not seeing much of that anymore, otherwise he would show the younger guys how to walk away when you know you're hurting the team), or his 'locker room presence' (Is there nobody else on the team who can inspire our guys? Our captain who battles more than anybody can't so that? Aflie, who was captain in Ottawa for how long? Pavel? Kronwall?).


All he's done by coming back is piss off our prospects, guys who could be the future of the team. I can't think of any other organization that pisses on it's prospects the way Detroit does. It'd be fine if you already had a stacked team and were competing for Cups. I'm sure they would understand in that situation. But this?....

#2531665 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by ShanahanMan on 11 July 2014 - 06:07 PM


So it's true. He listens to the expert opinions of the staff he pays for this sort of thing. What an idiot.


I bet those same experts told him to resign Samuelsson, Williams, Bertuzzi and Quincey.


Seems to me like he needs to find new experts. 

I was just going to post that. What exactly does he expect his fellow teammates to say about him? Of course they are gonna say they enjoy having him around. Of course they are going to say they 'want' him back because if he does end up back in the locker room it would create unneeded friction.


It's up to Holland to read between the lines here and make the best decision for the team.

Exactly. The GM is supposed to be the freaking voice of reason for god's sakes, that's why he's the GM. Not just leave all decisions up to the players.

#2531671 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 11 July 2014 - 06:29 PM

Speaking of not valuing fans.....


This from Art Regner's latest article:







The guy could just give two s***s about the fanbase. 


I don't have a problem with him not worrying about the fans reactions.  Who knows what the team would look like if he listened to us fanatics. 


It bothers me that he puts it on the players and coach and deflects responsibility for the decision.  He's the friggin GM.  He not only has final say, he should be pretty damn good at assessing players as well. 

#2531513 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by Detroit # 1 Fan on 11 July 2014 - 10:35 AM

CapGeek ‏@capgeek 52s

Dan Cleary's bonus is $1 million for 10 games played. #RedWings


This s*** just gets more and more comical, Dano is going to make 2.5 million next year :lol:

#2531506 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by kipwinger on 11 July 2014 - 10:03 AM

So here's an awful thought.  At the end of the regular season I was seriously hoping that ALL of Alfie, Cleary, Quincey, Bert, Sammy, Tootoo would be gone.  But IF I had to have one back it would have been Alfie (I didn't want it, but if forced to pick, he'd have been the guy). 


But now, after clusterf*** 2014, I'm PRAYING he decides to retire so that at least one of our young, big, hard to play against forwards makes the team.  If Alfie comes back I'm going to puke.  It means Jurco and Mantha don't play.  It means we don't acquire a defenseman.  It means we're the EXACT same team as last year (except a year older).  It means, in short, that we suck.


So please, enjoy your retirement Alfie, you've earned it.