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#2667362 Mantha

Posted by krsmith17 on 12 April 2016 - 08:54 PM

No one is saying that Mantha alone will make a huge difference, but in a game of inches, a slight edge could be the difference in winning and losing. Whether or not he is a better option than the least significant player in our lineup is worth the debate in my opinion because again, that slight edge could put us over the top. I'd rather Mantha helping out offensively and on the power-play for 10-12 minutes a night than Andersson getting hemmed in his own zone and killing penalties for any minutes a night. The guy is not an NHL caliber player, evident a few months ago when he was sent through waivers and cleared. Mantha is top prospect and a great offensive weapon. The fact that anyone would pick the black hole over a "potential" game changer is mind numbing to me, but I think I've said all I can possibly say, and I've heard more than enough from the Andersson enthusiasts...

#2667263 Mantha

Posted by krsmith17 on 12 April 2016 - 10:39 AM

Andersson is just SO VALUABLE that four months ago we decided we didn't want him anymore, put him on waivers and not a single team wanted to pick him up for a measly 800K...

#2667200 Mantha

Posted by marcaractac on 12 April 2016 - 05:04 AM

PK ability, wins faceoffs, isn't a defensive liability. In other words, hrs a fourth line player.


Helm, Abby, Glenny, AA, Sheahan. These guys have been the backbone of a perfectly fine pk. These guys are all better at it than Andersson is. Andersson brings nothing to the table we don't already have far superior versions of. Meanwhile, Mantha gave our powerplay life while he played.


How much success do you think we'll have by icing all defensive players who can't score? Let me tell you: the answer is none. 


This series is gonna be all about speed and talent. Andersson can't even skate. 

#2667170 Mantha

Posted by krsmith17 on 11 April 2016 - 08:45 PM

Buppy, he looked really good to me because he was providing offense, he maybe didn't look so good to the coach because he wasn't / isn't a great two-way player. I don't see the need in having all 12 forwards in the lineup playing stellar defense. We have more than enough guys that play a great two-way game that we don't need to convert Mantha into a defensive stalwart. I want Mantha to continue playing his offensive game and line him up with two reliable forwards that can cover for him. I don't want him changing his game, in turn hurting his offensive game...

I'm not acting or suggesting you're saying he sucks or will never do anything. I'm not sure where that came from... I'm not sure if you're confusing me saying he's been providing offense with meaning that he's producing points. It's clear he hasn't put up a huge number of points but he absolutely did provide offense, and no matter how many times you say he hasn't, it won't make it true. He absolutely did.

Besides, the entire argument, for me anyway, is that we are scratching a player that is better now, and is / should be considered a much more important piece today and in the future, for a player (Andersson) that shouldn't even be in the NHL... Mantha should be playing with the Wings on this playoff run. Disagree if you like, but don't try to suggest that hasn't provided offense, because it simply isn't true...

#2667097 Mantha

Posted by Richdg on 11 April 2016 - 02:28 PM

2 goals in 10 games over the course of a season is 16 goals. How many current F's scored that many this year? 4. 16 goals would be tied for 5th with Datsyuk this year. For anyone that doesn't think he made a difference isn't watching the games. he did what he should do: get the loose pucks behind the net and along the boards, he scored goals in front of the net-which BTW isn't his game. Blashill used him wrong-mainly because he has no other choices. Mantha is a sniper and is great at driving the net-not camping in front of it. But that is another issue all together.

Now he wasn't playing so yes send him down and let him play. But stop with the stupid statements. he wasn't a spare part in the PO's last year. he played every game for the Griffins.

#2666998 Mantha

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 11 April 2016 - 05:02 AM

Argh I don't really enjoy bashing management, because I always will feel that they know better than we do, and yea I can live with Mantha being sent down, but what I can't is Andersson coming up AND being inserted into the lineup. 


It's driving me nuts at the moment, like, is there a plan here? It's more than obvious something here has to change. Richards is just, never even close to a top 6 player, so why is he constantly on the PP, playing is situations where goals are generally scored. He was good, but now loses puck battles, and is slow. It's no wonder this team can't generate any kind of offence because they have no forecheck as by the time the old guys have skated down to retrieve the puck, its already going back the other way. 



What bothers me is how AA plays only 5-8 minutes a night, and yet has looked at times one of our better forwards, has scored some good goals down the stretch too, yet consistently is labelled as bad defensively. What the f*** do they want, a team of selke trophy nominees? 2 players with big offensive potential - Pulkkinen - ok fine he hasn't been up to snuff, but he and Mantha, don't we think they ought to be given more chance instead of stuck in this system which seems to suck all the life out of our team's offensive ability. 


It feels like they're just realising we don't have any high end talent anymore, so they're converting to a New Jersey type suffocating D kind of game whereby we don't need any all stars and can squeeze out games. Oh. Except we don't have the D (minus DK) and goaltending. 


I'd really love to believe in this team, I really would. But I have to wonder who's driving the bus right now because it just doesn't seem to make that much sense. Give your kids a chance to play, let them learn, and if we miss the playoffs? So what. 

#2666974 Mantha

Posted by krsmith17 on 10 April 2016 - 10:15 PM

Buppy, I strongly disagree that it's still all just potential at this point. I think Mantha looked great in his short stint, despite the lack of production. He has provided offensive pressure and created quite a few scoring chances for himself and his teammates on his own. Although the points haven't been coming the way they probably should, he was a huge contributing factor to the success of the power-play. His size and reach alone are huge assets, and he wins a lot of board battles. It's not as if he was a defensive liability at all either and with Pav on his line, we don't need a defensive dynamo out there.

Like others have mentioned, we've made the playoffs, we're not expected to go far (a round or two with a little luck) and now is the time to get these kids in the lineup to get experience and learn from their mistakes. Especially with this potentially being Datsyuk's last season, Mantha should be up, soaking in as much as he can, while he still can. If Andersson is in the lineup over Mantha and Jurco for game one, I'll lose my s***...

#2666958 Mantha

Posted by marcaractac on 10 April 2016 - 09:06 PM

What has Mantha done to earn a roster spot in the playoffs?  Not a thing.

What has Andersson done to deserve one?

#2666886 Mantha

Posted by nyqvististhefuture on 10 April 2016 - 04:30 PM

What has Mantha done to earn a roster spot in the playoffs?  Not a thing.

You could say the same about athanasiou , he's got 9 goals in limited ice time but hasn't taken the league by storm

The whole point of this is the wings would have a better shot with the kids getting more ice time and learning than the same old vets who have been lackluster all season , correct me if I'm wrong but the wings haven't scored too many goals this year? And we barely got in , if Boston didn't choke bye bye wings and datsyuk would be officially done as of today

Time to get some guts and play the kids , that's how we make noise in the playoffs not over working hank and pav and having Richards as a go to guy ... Things might be different if nyquist and Tatar were performing like they did last year but there not, athanasiou and mantha should get more playing time

Helm Richards in top 6 roles won't be enough to get us going

#2666903 Mantha

Posted by frankgrimes on 10 April 2016 - 05:00 PM


Unreal. Are these old farts drinking on the job? Why on earth would you throw one of your top prospects under the bus like that? Did Mantha get with his daughter? A lot of these guys are gonna wind up playing next year and he certainly gives us a better chance to win now than Andersson. Not everyone on this team can be a two way player that sacrifices offense to play D. The team needs someone that can score goals and they need it bad. 


Maybe Mantha is too big, too young and scoring too much. I mean, every other team in this league would clearly take the upcoming superstar Anderson over Mantha just makes sense.


Also I think it's ridiculous that this organization is constantly throwing him under the bus why draft him in the first place if you don't like the guy? Such a weird situation

#2666914 Playoff Lines + Mantha Back to GR

Posted by VM1138 on 10 April 2016 - 05:27 PM

Jeez, they really hate Mantha, don't they? Holland can be so damn condescending sometimes. 


I just looked at Jurco's NHL career stats.  He's basically declined each year.  He's the definition of a plug out there.  Serviceable as a warm body but not doing anything to help.  Andersson is the same.  He can PK because he can't skate the whole ice.  Blashill is obsessively defensive. His only tweaks are to bring a player on to help us play PK, not a player to help our PP score.


I've never been so frustrated with this franchise.  I really hope we're not about to go down in humiliation.

#2666728 Free Press: Pavel Datsyuk to return to Russia following Playoffs

Posted by LeftWinger on 10 April 2016 - 07:51 AM

In that article, it says that the Red Wings told him they will not trade his contract to relieve the cap. Holland, in his obsessive loyalty will eat the $7.5M hit for the year and handicap his team for no reason but to stay loyal. f*** Holland, he needs to be fired!

#2666715 Post Epic Meltdown - er, Post Game Discussion

Posted by Detroit # 1 Fan on 10 April 2016 - 02:23 AM

:lol: I love this whole "so and so can't play defense, so I'm gonna scratch them" Tatar and Nyquist can't win battles to save their lives. We have a coach that doesn't prioritize goal scoring. That's a problem, guess what? Goals win games. For me, I want guys that can score goals. Patrick Kane can't spell "backcheck" and he's a 3 time Stanley Cup champion. Enough of this garbage from management and coaching, play to win thef****** game.

#2666695 Post Epic Meltdown - er, Post Game Discussion

Posted by Number19 on 09 April 2016 - 11:03 PM

The defensive argument goes out the window when you can't score. Mantha and AA score. So what if they're on the ice for a goal against if they score one or two? For right now, with the assets we have, that's okay. There's only like six defensively talented guys on the whole squad anyway.

Not everyone on a team can be a defensive stalwart. You do have to score, and when things tighten up in the playoffs watch our offense evaporate completely.

We crawled on all four limbs while bleeding into the playoffs. I'm with you, I don't want to rely on our vets and to grind out some gut check victories. We just lost two of those games in a row, it doesn't work. The only reason we're here is because Boston sucked harder and two young guys carried us through 65 percent of the season before their tanks dried up (Larkin, Mrazek). The vets with their 23rd ranked offense didn't get us here.

#2666677 Post Epic Meltdown - er, Post Game Discussion

Posted by VM1138 on 09 April 2016 - 09:58 PM

The defensive argument goes out the window when you can't score. Mantha and AA score. So what if they're on the ice for a goal against if they score one or two? For right now, with the assets we have, that's okay. There's only like six defensively talented guys on the whole squad anyway.

Not everyone on a team can be a defensive stalwart. You do have to score, and when things tighten up in the playoffs watch our offense evaporate completely.