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#2529166 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by Jesusberg on 01 July 2014 - 09:04 PM

You know, it really amazes me how quickly everyone seems to just want to fire KH and blow up the ship. And because of what exactly? We re-signed a guy who played well for us in the second half and has a proven track record of being a solid 3-4 D man. So we didn't sign any big name free agents, and? Did we really want Boyle here for 3 years? No. Orpik for 5 years and $5.5m? No. Niskanen for 7 years? I didn't. Stralman for 5 years? No. The list goes on and on. Guys who are cashing in on one or two good years (besides Boyle) and using the thin market to drive up their prices. It is frankly, a joke. The worst thing the wings could have done was to sign someone like that for a massive term which locks us in, blocking the path for 1 or 2 kids when they are ready either this season or next. 

 

Why is it that we are so quick to lambast something that we don't like, yet it takes 100 things to satisfy us? I mean, for crying out loud, we're not the Leafs. It's not like we haven't won a cup in the last 50 years. And also, it's not even like we're not competitive anymore. This team was a playoff team. Granted, the last 2 years have been touch and go, but 2 years ago we took the cup champs to 7 and had them on the ropes. In that 2012-13 roster, there were 26 players who were part of this seasons roster. 26!!!!!!!! And this season, most were injured, and yet somehow, due to some strong play of guys who will form the future of this team, we made it in. 

 

There is, quite clearly, a rebuild in progress at the moment. And it amazes me how people can't seem to get excited about the future prospects of Dekeyser, Tatar, Nyquist, Sheahan, Jurco, Sproul, Marchenko, Ouellet, Mantha, Mrazek. Combined with a healthy D and Z and the other GOOD pieces we have on this team. So what's changed? Why has everyone become so despondent, when really, I think our time is coming right around the corner. Maybe not this year, but the year after for sure. If our kids continue trending upwards, we'll be right up there. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but to ignore the obvious positives that are emanating from this teams future and insist on throwing everything out in the trash just because we struck out on 1 day of the year is, in my eyes, nuts. 

Honestly, I don't disagree with you on several of these points. However, in my opinion, there's very little to like about signing Kyle Quincey. Many people (including myself) were advocating a stop-gap, someone to let the kids slip into the line-up without them being overwhelmed. At the very least, those stop-gaps brought something extra to the table - Boyle and Gilbert could help the PP, Stralman and Morris the PK. What does Quincey bring? Dead serious, I don't have a real answer to that question, no matter how hard I try.

To call the guy a solid #3-4 defender just doesn't ring true to me. He doesn't put up points, he doesn't hit or block many shots. He takes several, poorly timed penalties. To his credit, the guy's swept a few pucks out from right in front of the goal line, but all in all, I'd say Kyle Quincey is just... there. He exists and has the physical endurance to play "top 4 minutes" on this team, and he was given a raise?

I think the real issue behind the signing is that it comes off as a panic move - it feels like it was made to just barely cling on, to "play it safe". I think playing it safe would have been grabbing Boyle, Gilbert, Morris, etc. I know those guys didn't want to be here, wanted term, etc. but grabbing Kyle Quincey strikes me as playing it scared. It reminds me of grabbing Legwand because Holland needed this team to squeeze into the post-season.

I see the positives going forward - I see the youth of this team and the defensive core that is shaping up. What I also see is that Kyle Quincey is a bane on this team's blueline - he's not going to pass anything onto the kids, and he won't be adding anything positive to this team's defense corps for the next two seasons. He doesn't ruin this team's future - he just wades in the water doing nothing around it.




#2529165 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by VM1138 on 01 July 2014 - 09:00 PM

This is bad, guys. Quincey actually makes the team worse than if he weren't on it. Going with all kids would have been bad, but not like this. Almost any of the UFA players could have been at least a slight improvement. Did none if them want to come here either? This is a humiliating day for the franchise. Rejected by everyone even with fair offers, only to panic and sign a bad player for too Mich money instead of giving someone else a chance. Sent from my ADR6350 using Tapatalk 2


#2529163 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by Dabura on 01 July 2014 - 08:56 PM

Why? St. James said days ago that Niskanen wouldn't sign with Detroit.

 

Helene St. James @HeleneStJames 6h

. I wrote that last week. More $$ & term elsewhere. / “@nikzomberg: @HeleneStJames word is Wings are out on Niskanen, any validity to that?”

 

She doesn't know anything. She's a terrible writer. She can get bent.




#2529162 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by gcom007 on 01 July 2014 - 08:56 PM

Let's not overlook the possibility of a trade or two. This was a notoriously weak free agent class yesterday and it didn't improve much by today. The prevailing attitude from most was that the Amazing Kenzini shouldn't overpay for crap. To that end until the Quincey signing he'd done a good job neither paying someone too much nor signing empty calories. But the Quincey thing. I threw up in my mouth a little.

 

We as Red Wing nation need to decide if we're more upset we didn't sign a player or two who could put us over the top from this crop or are we more upset some free agents may have snubbed Detroit. If it's the former then maybe a big trade might help move the team forward ala Shanahan. If it's the latter then yeah, that sucks. Though I'm sure Niskanen and Dorpik were sold on the Crapitals the moment they got to the Verizon Center and looked up at all those championship banners in the rafters. Perhaps other forces are at work beyond the Red Wings reach ie the status of the city in receivership. They can however build the new stadium YESTERDAY. 

 

I'm hoping a trade can be worked before I start losing faith. 

 

There were more FA options this year than there's been in awhile. Even Holland had the gall to say that when he was feeling pretty confident yesterday. It wasn't rich with superstars, but there were a lot of options that could've helped our defense improve a lot.

 

And we just gave Quincey a big raise.

 

And if Holland planned on making a trade, if he had any real confidence in that, why is he overpaying for Quincey now? We're not going to trade other defensemen to acquire a defenseman because we don't have anyone we could trade that would improve the situation. It doesn't make much sense, and even if a trade happens, it doesn't minimize how utterly horrific of a deal this is.

 

Kyle Quincey is going to make over $4 million from the Red Wings for the next two years.

 

Say that out loud.

 

I will be a hardcore Red Wings fan until the day I die. I'm not abandoning the ship. But this is nothing short of af****** joke.

 

I lost faith in Holland awhile ago, but if he's not replaced soon, I'm going to be losing hope in the ownership, which I haven't wanted to do, especially in light of Mr. I's current state of health. It's a hard and unfortunate situation, but someone in that family needs to step up and do something now. He's had far too many chances to do something, anything, to prove he still has a handle on getting this team going in the right direction, and he continues to come up empty when it comes to addressing the needs we have, and he continues to sign terrible players to terrible deals after the fact.

 

It's not even worth arguing about at this point: the Red Wings absolutely need a new GM, as soon as possible.




#2529154 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 01 July 2014 - 08:50 PM

 

I should've listened to you, GMR. I should've listened. I've gone back and forth between love and hate for this guy, but now I straight-up hate him. It sounds childish, cuz it's just a game/sport. But, s***, it's how I feel. I literally hate the guy. It's generally very hard to get me truly hate anyone. But this guy...f*** him.

 

I don't  hate the guy.  I just think people overrated him for years.

 

He inherited a great team and was surrounded by smart people.  When the money ran out, he still had the brains around him in good coaching and terrific scouts.  Plus he had Jim Nill.  Now most of the brains are gone.  Other teams are scouting in places the Wings used to scout in.  We're left with a GM who has immunity at his job, and an owner who's basically as lucid as a vegetable.  

 

Holland will leave this job when Holland wants to leave this job.  No one will make him.  




#2529122 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by Euro_Twins on 01 July 2014 - 08:27 PM

 
Weiss didn't pass, Alfie didn't pass. Datsyuk resigned, Kronwall resigned. What do you want? We can't sign everyone. There are 29 other teams that are trying to get better just like we are. Do you want us to overpay someone just to say we signed them then to be stuck with a horrible cap hit for someone who isn't worth it 4-5 years down the road when we need to resign a bunch of our young guys? 
 
We are building for the next 8-12 years not the next 2. People can't get that through their heads.


Instead of promoting a young player they 're sign the second worst dman we had last year with a raise. It's not just who we missed out on this year. He's been saying we need a top 4 right handed shot to bolster the blue line for years and has done nothing about it. He talks about the kids and instead gives raises to plugs that are useless.


#2528424 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by ShanahanMan on 01 July 2014 - 02:52 PM

As far as I'm concerned Holland has done the best job he could unless he trades away a young player for garbage. Free agebts don't want to come here? Fine build a winner from within then. Draft well. Develop even better. All things he has oversaught durring his tenure.

And then trade them away for washed up centermen for a 5-game playoff run. 




#2528287 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by Dabura on 01 July 2014 - 02:06 PM

Now isn't the time to trade. If Kenny thought prices were high a week ago at the draft...

 

Kinda convenient. "Well, we can't make a trade. The prices are so high right now. I GUESS WE'LL HAVE TO RE-SIGN CLEARY."

 

Do nothing, make excuses, rationalize, sit on your hands. The Ken Holland way.
 




#2528247 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by kipwinger on 01 July 2014 - 01:55 PM

 

You're assuming Kenny would actually pull the trigger on a trade of any kind.

 

Good point. 

 

Honestly, at this point I'd let Quincey go, I'd let Alfie go, and I'd fill every available spot with a kid.  At least keep the damage to a minimum.  Don't make it worse by making panic moves (see:  Samuelsson, Legwand, etc.).




#2528227 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by Datsyukian-Deke on 01 July 2014 - 01:50 PM

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Red Wings appear to be working the trade phones now to bolster their blueline. Lost out on Boyle, and apparently out on Niskanen.

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Yay! Why get guys for free when we can give up talent and depth for them!


#2528237 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by Shaman on 01 July 2014 - 01:52 PM

If Holland makes a trade prepare for it to be the overpayment panic trade of the century. Mark my words.




#2528226 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by kipwinger on 01 July 2014 - 01:49 PM

 

Red Wings appear to be working the trade phones now to bolster their blueline. Lost out on Boyle, and apparently out on Niskanen.

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We're going to bleed for this.  Watch.  KH didn't want to overpay in the past?  Just wait and see what the going rate is for a top four defenseman now that every other one is off the market. 




#2528217 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by Internet.Unknown on 01 July 2014 - 01:45 PM

Dallas is making moves, trying to improve, and players aren't refusing to sign there.

 

Tampa Bay is making moves, trying to improve, and players aren't refusing to sign there.

 

Am I sensing a theme?

 

People who know history know that Holland didn't build those late 90's Cup teams. He spent to maintain them (02) after they had been built by Bowman and his predecessors. Furthermore, Holland was lucky in 08 and 09. (See Joe Dumars for reference). Having the best defenseman in a generation (along with prime Dats and Z) can do that to an organization. He didn't build the Wings championships and he sure as hell can't build them now.

 

People shouldn't be complaining about getting fleeced in the Legwand deal. The team got fleeced in losing Yzerman and Nill.




#2527211 Wings to have face to face with Matt Niskanen

Posted by chances14 on 30 June 2014 - 12:58 PM

I'm a guy that mentioned Niskanen months ago but honestly the more I think about a 7 year deal the more I think it could backfire. What if he just a good year and doesn't end up being what we thought and we're stuck with this guy and a big contract. If the Wings sign him I hope it's not over 5 mil per. 5 year/25 million would be a great contract but that's not going to cut it.

this is why i would rather go with ehrhoff. might not be a righty and a few years older, but you know what you're going to get with him. niskanen has had one good season




#2526586 NHL Draft 2014: Rounds 2-7 **MOD WARNING POST 51**

Posted by SwedeLundin77 on 28 June 2014 - 11:40 AM

 

Good thing you don't represent anyone but yourself. It's unfortunate we have fans like you.

 

Do us a favor and cheer for another team because things didn't go your way.

 

The sad thing is that things haven't had a chance to go any way since the free agency period is still 3 days away.  I mean, Holland has already done his due diligence and met with the Agents of Niskanen and Boyle, plus unnamed other/s.  He's doing what he's supposed to at this point, so why don't we wait until a little down the line to start throwing tantrums, right?

 

Also, last off-season, he arguably made two solid moves getting Weiss and Alfie.  Weiss had a bad year with injuries, and Alfie was a solid addition.