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#1986540 Percentage of starts next year for Howard and Osgood

Posted by GoWings1905 on 17 May 2010 - 09:01 PM

I know im gonna get flamed for this but.. Come on people Howard needs a capable backup goalie! Osgood was HORRIBLE this past season so much so that Howard was starting every freaking game! We need a capable backup who can at least give Howie some rest! Now maybe I will be wrong next season and I think were stuck with Ozzie for 1 more year? Osgood might play descent or good next year to give our kid some rest but yeesh.. i know Ozzie probably deserves another year but please play descent to give Howie some rest or release him and pick up a capable backup!! :ranting:

I know some members here think Osgood has superhuman powers of verbal awesomeness and random veteran cup winning savvy of the greek gods that inspire and make Howard play insane but I just don't buy it.

Your argument against Ozzie basically proves the argument for most of us in favor of him: Babcock has to play him more. The injuries/tight points race forced Babcock's hand into starting Howard every game. I think there was more to it than that, but we'll go with Babcock's rationale for argument's sake.

How can you really even make a fair judgment on Chris Osgood? He started twice in 2010. I think he can without a doubt be a very capable backup provided he gets a start more than once every three months. Hopefully the situation next season will cater more to a favorable balance for both Jimmy and Ozzie to be successful in goal. I agree Jimmy needs rest, but Babcock has to be willing to give Ozzie a chance. This past season can't even be used as a fair barometer for people to say Ozzie can't get the job done anymore.

#1977583 Don't blame Howard.. blame Babcock

Posted by GoWings1905 on 06 May 2010 - 02:48 PM

I agree completely. Babcock made it sink or swim with Jimmy, which may may have very well just ended the Red Wings season. I'm by no means blaming everything on Howard, but he lost the Red Wings game three letting in an absolutely awful goal at the worst time. Babcock's defense of Jimmy after the game was sickening too. "The team has to pick up the goalie sometimes and we couldn't do it." Uhh... the offense has scored three goals in every game Mike and pretty much bailed out Jimmy in every win of the Phoenix series besides Game 4.

I like Jimmy Howard and am thankful for everything he did for the Red Wings during the regular season, but he has been mediocre at best during the playoffs. There were a bunch of here that said during the regular season (especially toward the end) that it would be of the Red Wings best interest to get Ozzie some starts down the stretch, just in case Jimmy couldn't handle the heat of the playoffs. There's no doubt in my mind that a less rusty Chris Osgood would have this series at least 2-1 right now or maybe even 2-1 in the Wings favor.

I'm not mad at Howard, although he needs to make some clutch saves tonight and however many more games the Red Wings are around. Babcock blew the goaltending situation this season and at this point I can't convince myself that most of it doesn't stem from his personal grudge with Ozzie. Chris Osgood should have been ready to step in during the playoffs plain and simple because Jimmy Howard right now is not getting the job done despite what his favorite cheerleader says.

#1976685 Ritola in for Williams in game 4?

Posted by GoWings1905 on 05 May 2010 - 02:26 PM

Ritola, May, Meech, 11 forwards... I don't care because anything is better than Jason Williams.

#1972834 The real reason we are losing this series...

Posted by GoWings1905 on 03 May 2010 - 09:24 PM

Step 1: Find Brad Watson or Kevin Pollock

Step 2: Hand them the Red Wings jersey

Step 3: They will find the nearest penalty box and it will rot there

#1969809 Eaves out for Game 2

Posted by GoWings1905 on 02 May 2010 - 03:01 PM

Eaves hasn't done anything in the playoffs anyways.

I'll take Eaves being relatively quiet over Williams every day of the week. Even when Eaves isn't really producing offensively, at least he isn't hurting the team in the process. Williams is typically always noticeable, most often not for the right reasons.

Eaves is also very good on the penalty kill with Helm. Not that the Red Wings don't have other players to step in on the PK, but Eaves still brings speed and energy. I'd rather have Brad May than Williams half-assing it at this point.

#1964451 First Round Grades

Posted by GoWings1905 on 28 April 2010 - 03:17 PM

I'll probably get ripped for this, but anything above a "C" for Jimmy is being generous. He was either lights out or awful, which amounts to an average grade for me. Don't get me wrong, I thought he was a huge factor in the wins but it goes both ways. He played a major role in the losses too, as the team and Howard himself were inconsistent throughout the entire series.

Other than that, Brad Stuart gets an A+ from me. Don't let the one mistake in Game 6 take away from a brilliantly played series by Stuart.

#1949906 Ozzy for game 4?

Posted by GoWings1905 on 18 April 2010 - 06:48 PM

Osgood was NOT playing well, so he played howard. That is not poor goalie managment. Dont just have a blind love for osgood because he is a your favorite and give me negative feedback because you dont agree with me. Howard got us to the playoffs and he is playing well enough to keep his starting job. Until he gets a loss when our d is playing up to there full potential you leave him in. Neither of the losses where a result of howard playing bad.

Really? While I agree the team hasn't been very good, Howard very much cost the Red Wings a chance to win today. Howard was bad - the second and especially the fourth goal were HUGE momentum killers. The stats show Jimmy has been anything but impressive and the offense bailed him out in the win scoring seven.

The fact is during the regular season, Jimmy typically always gave the Red Wings a chance to win. In the playoffs, mistakes are amplified as there is no margin of error for poor goals especially against a team like the Coyotes. Jimmy didn't even give the Red Wings a chance to win, which is what you hope for from a goalie on a day when the team didn't appear to have much anyways. That fourth goal was deflating - you could feel it from the fans at the Joe and see it in the body language of the Red Wings.

You are arguing against an argument that no one here is even making. None of us have said to start Osgood. It isn't realistic at this point thanks to Babcock's coaching decisions. I'll say it again: another performance like today from Howard in game four and this series is done on Friday.

#1949861 Ozzy for game 4?

Posted by GoWings1905 on 18 April 2010 - 06:03 PM

I honestly wouldn't mind it, but Babcock made it so going to Ozzie at this point is no longer even an option. It would be a huge risk going to a goalie who has made two starts in 2010, even one with the success Ozzie has put up the past two playoff runs.

I had a bad feeling this would happen in the playoffs. Jimmy just hasn't been very good and today he was truly awful. The team didn't play that strong in front of him but it didn't matter because he didn't even give them a chance to win. The second and fourth goals were momentum killers. He has to control the rebound on Wolski's goal and the fourth was downright pathetic.

I'm not even that mad at Jimmy... it's a tough position to be in and he just hasn't lived up to the expectations he had coming off a super regular season. I'm extremely pissed at Babcock for completely mishandling the goaltender situation. He put the Red Wings in the scenario of sink or swim with Jimmy and now the team is in a tough position with no real alternative because of Babcock's decision. You HAVE to get Ozzie more games in case this did happen - there were a bunch of us saying that numerous times late in the year.

Jimmy Howard has to be better or this series isn't coming back to Detroit. Mike Babcock made it this way.

#1945137 Songs that make you laugh

Posted by GoWings1905 on 16 April 2010 - 07:33 PM

What's funny about that? Despite Rich Rod's horrible first 2 years, Michigan is still has by far the highest winning percentage in college football history. And also, still owns Ohio State in the all time head to head record. OSU has had a good last 6 years against them, but even counting recent history of the past 30 years Michigan still owns OSU. So yeah, don't really see the humor in their fight song. Oh and btw, I went to Michigan State, so it's not like im hyping my home school or something. Get a clue buddy.

This next song also used to crack me up back in the day. And it definitely still does:


OT, but I have to jump on that statement. By far, really? You may want to brush up on college football stats.

I don't really consider .737 to be by far greater than a .732 winning percentage.

#1944175 Abbys in!

Posted by GoWings1905 on 15 April 2010 - 10:20 PM

I bet that was Williams last game wearing a winged wheel.

I was hoping that back in 2007 too.

This is a great move though getting Abdelkader in there. The last time I saw this much of a clear consensus on LGW was when the Wings signed Williams last summer.
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#1943400 Lidstrom hi-stick incident

Posted by GoWings1905 on 15 April 2010 - 12:17 PM

I've said this before, but if I didn't love the Red Wings, I sincerely doubt I would follow the NHL because it's a garbage league run by morons and it just trickles down to the officiating. The league doesn't know what the rules are and the refs do a terrible job enforcing the perceived rules on their end.

I thought last night was a disgrace in general, although the Red Wings definitely got the short-end of the calls (which I expected going into the series playing the league's second team). There was way too much garbage getting called. Ten powerplays combined isn't hockey - it's a specialty teams showcase which unfortunately the Red Wings did poorly at. The Lilja elbowing call was frickin laughable. The Morris goal was a result of an interference penalty they have seemingly called 1000 times this season. Let the players play the game, call the stuff that matters. Ya know, like a blatant high stick to the face which somehow goes unnoticed by eight eyes. Nice priorities NHL: make sure to call five hooking minors 200 feet from the play, but ignore an obvious offense which no doubt changed the game.

Hockey is the best sport in the world. It's a shame we have to watch a league run and officiated by incompetent individuals on so many levels.

#1933036 Osgood to start Sunday

Posted by GoWings1905 on 05 April 2010 - 08:35 PM

It seems people are forgetting the context of the situation when Babcock made the decision to go with Howard. Osgood was going through a second consecutive regular season funk. All the same patterns were there from last season. Babs gave him chance after chance after chance after chance to work it out. In the meantime, Ozzie's letting in soft goals left and right and killing any confidence or momentum the team could generate. Obviously the team lost some offense in the offseason. Injuries were starting to pile up. So Babcock didn't have time to let Osgood work it out because the team in front of him COULDN'T score 4 or 5 goals every night so they could win like in olden times. The Wings needed wins fast as they were falling behind in the standings.

And this whole time Jimmy has been starting, has there been a game we could say, "Sure, we can lose this one"? That is the pre-requisite for starting Osgood. You're basically saying, based on recent experience, there's a good chance we could lose this game or this string of games until whatever voo-doo occurs that transforms him from one of the worst goalies in the league to one of the best. Nobody knows what that process is or how many losses that represents, least of all Osgood. But he sure does pretend to know the process when he runs his mouth to the press. Speaking of which...

Remember when Ozzie got in front of the cameras and basically whined about not being started and getting rusty? If you don't think that something snapped inside Babcock, who has a zero tolerance policy for divas and drama queens, you don't know Babcock. He's old school. And his memory is infinite.

I literally think that Babs looked at the standings this weekend, knew it was inevitable the Wings would clinch one way or the other, knew he'd probably lose the tail end of the back to back based on the trend of the team's play in the last couple games (you can't win them all) and wanted to give Howard a rest and preserve his stats for the Calder competition. If ever there were a game to play Ozzie, it was Sunday's game. That game was made to lose.

I don't really think the Red Wings management is all that concerned about seeding and matchups. I think the point was to get in. And now that's out of the way, Osgood can start until it really counts.

Maybe going to the media wasn't the proper way of handling it, but Ozzie still has a point to this day. I don't think he got chance after chance this season like you said. Once he got hit by the flu, there was never a string of starts from that point on. To be perfectly fair, Ozzie wasn't all that bad in October -- certainly nothing like last season. I'm not even advocating that Ozzie should be the starter -- clearly Jimmy has earned that honor and good for him and the team alike. However, there's more that meets the eye than the Red Wings needing points and Jimmy making every start. Remember the Nashville game in December? I do and I remember who started the next game too.

I still think Babcock messed up with the goalies this season and considering he has a history of questionable goaltender management, it isn't so far-fetched to consider that Ozzie's beef is legitimate and personal. I know the Red Wings needed wins and the goalie that gave/gives them the best chance to achieve that is Jimmy Howard. However, no goalie is going to succeed in a backup role making one start in over two months. I am still puzzled (though not shocked) at the number of threads and negativity surrounding Osgood here. What the hell did people expect from someone that has made one start in 2010? It seems no matter what he does, there is always going to be a group of people that will never appreciate what Ozzie has meant to the Red Wings organization. We have some seriously fickle fans that want to throw away any player (Draper, Maltby, Ozzie, Homer before the season) at the first sight of "poor" performance in their eyes. The same people who were probably chanting "Ozzie!" during the playoffs now abandon him and hope he fails.

Ozzie has done his best given the tough circumstances. Imagine being the best goalie in the Stanley Cup Playoffs two straight years and playing one time in two months. Any person with pride is going to be frustrated with that. He isn't a "diva or drama queen" -- no one in the Red Wings lockeroom by any account would agree with that statement for a second especially Jimmy Howard. For all of Babcock's marvelous coaching skills, he's as stubborn as they come. By all accounts, I want and hope Jimmy Howard succeeds in the playoffs, but if he should falter Babcock's all-or-nothing attitude with Jimmy pretty much ruined any chance of Ozzie taking over.

#1932241 1-7-2

Posted by GoWings1905 on 04 April 2010 - 03:57 PM

How so?

I think most people following the Red Wings that season knew Chris Osgood was the better option in goal, despite the similar stats. He should have been the playoff starter from game one. Another instance of Babcock poorly handling the goaltenders and thankfully it didn't backfire on the team in that case.

#1932232 1-7-2

Posted by GoWings1905 on 04 April 2010 - 03:50 PM

Ya. And he did an awful job in '07 and '08 too.


Osgood had an awful game. The first shot was something any goalie should be able to get. That is a ROUTINE save. What's worse, he actually managed to knock the puck into the net. That puck would have hit the post or gone wide otherwise. On the second goal, he made an absolutely baffling mistake. Why on earth would such an experienced goalie play the first guy on a 4 on 2 rush? He was five feet out of the net on the first shooter when the guy had three other players to pass to. No rustiness there. It was just a bad decision. The next two goals were tougher saves, sure. But on the third goal, he just plain failed to track the puck. That, too, has nothing to do with being rusty. Had he been tracking the puck better, he'd have had the chance to challenge the shot. It was a decent scoring chance, but it was nothing spectacular. The 4th goal would have been difficult to stop, sure, but it'd still have been possible. However, Osgood's failure to track the puck and the play once again did him in. I'll give him that one, though. It was a legitimate scoring chance.

That said, decent goaltending almost certainly would have won this game for the Wings.

Actually, Babcock did mishandle the goalie situation in the 2008 playoffs too. He was just lucky the right goalie came in and bailed him and the team out.

#1927663 Babcock: Goaltending the best since I've been here

Posted by GoWings1905 on 29 March 2010 - 09:58 AM

ive never felt comfortable with osgood in net ever, he seems like at anytime a goal will just go in on him, and i hate the type of goals he lets passed him. Jimmy is solid.

Never? Wow, that's quite a statement.

Either you started watching last October or you somehow forgot that Ozzie's brilliant goaltending was a huge reason why the Wings played in June the past two years.