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#2529386 TANK IT! 2014-2015 Season

Posted by GoWings1905 on 02 July 2014 - 10:28 AM

I'm not entirely opposed, but I don't think a team with Zetterberg and Datsyuk on it is bad enough to tank. 

 

Move one of those two and it's plausible, plus you speed up the rebuilding process by getting picks and prospects back. 




#2529372 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by GoWings1905 on 02 July 2014 - 10:10 AM

Have we gotten to the point where keeping Kyle Quincey is justified by comparing him to a first round bust and 7th d-man? The only reason Quincey gets credit for having a stronger second half of the season is because his first half was such an absolute disaster, anything was going to look like an improvement. I remember a couple games alone early in the season where Quincey turnovers led directly to the Wings losing games. So maybe Quincey cut down on those in the second half, but he still provided nothing offensively and took 88 minutes worth of penalties because he isn't good defensively either and/or he's not very smart on the ice. 

 

On top of this, Kyle Quincey got a raise. Just because he showed up every night and was less of a catastrophe for part of a season. Nor does Quincey address any of the Wings issues defensively, being he's not right-handed and doesn't move the puck well (unless you count to the other team.) In addition, to no other team having a serious interest in Quincey through the first six hours of free agency being open. 

 

Complete panic move for the sake of Holland saying he tried and this was his solution for "something" when "nothing" was actually the best course of action. 




#2529247 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by GoWings1905 on 01 July 2014 - 11:35 PM

Quincey>Lashoff, Kindl

Cap hit is pretty much irrelevant since nobody wants our money. 2 years kind of stings. He had us by the balls but this deal hardly holds us back from improving


How do the Wings improve? They missed on every targeted impact free agent d-man. Holland's track record on trades is either non-existent or awful, besides acquiring Stuart. Even then, now asking prices for someone like Myers or Yandle will be higher and the Wings lose major assets in the process.

That's the problem with re-signing Quincey. It was simply out of panic and a desperation move, similar to the first time Holland brought Quincey back and also with Legwand. Holland said before free agency that the kids were a suitable backup plan should they strike out in free agency. Quincey does nothing but impede that exact idea. Every line Holland has fed us lately about relying on youth has been utter bulls*** unless his hand has been forced by excessive injuries to all of the declining veterans he so fondly lets hang around. Quincey doesn't help the Wings in any sense going forward.

Holland for years now is either ignorant of the process required to obtain talent or lying to the fanbase about his motives. Don't tell us you aren't trading for rentals at the deadline and then overpay for Legwand so the team could win one playoff game to extend a meaningless streak. Or constantly remind us how ready the kids are in Grand Rapids and then leave them rotting there for years so Kyle Quincey can have a roster spot on a team stuck in mediocrity.

I don't know why free agents don't want to play for the Red Wings anymore, but the general manager should. Especially when you have an extended window before free agency begins to meet with players and grasp an indication of their intentions. I'm just fed up with the lack of direction and excuse making coming from Holland and the front office while the lap dog reporters following the Wings perpetuate the fabrications.

Today is the low point for the Wings since the 2009 season ended. Something has to change because five plus years of the same tune and no results is unacceptable. I think most people have been more progressively getting frustrated with Holland's moves lately, but I have never seen such widespread angst from the fanbase than right now. That's a good thing because it means their customers still care enough and aren't apathetic spectators like what has happened to the Pistons. It's going to end that way though if the trend continues because this franchise is stale and Holland doesn't appear to have a solution or plan that doesn't involve his comfort zone of keeping players he shouldn't.

I will still be around October 9th and every game beyond that, but I have never been less enthused about a hockey season starting than this one. I'm just purely disgusted right now because I expect better from this organization.


#2529202 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by GoWings1905 on 01 July 2014 - 09:48 PM

I hope Mantha saves this franchise.

 

He will in 2019 when he finally gets called up. 




#2529056 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by GoWings1905 on 01 July 2014 - 07:39 PM

 
Quincey played more minutes in LA and Colorado

Because Quincey at least contributed offensively then. Something he hasn't done whatsoever with the Red Wings.


#2529050 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by GoWings1905 on 01 July 2014 - 07:36 PM

Guys, it's only a 2 year deal. If we signed someone as a FA, we'd have to pay more and for a longer term. For a defenceman who plays 20 minutes a night, it's a good contract. Quincey would have got more if he hit the open market.


Quincey did hit the open market and no other team appeared to have interest since free agency kicked off earlier. Quincey playing 20 minutes per game is exactly the Wings problem defensively. They just made their issue a solution.


#2528980 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by GoWings1905 on 01 July 2014 - 06:56 PM

Actually, we'll probably be a middle of the pack team again. Woohoo exciting.


Worst place to be in hockey. The Wings are turning into the Calgary Flames. Lingering in mediocrity and Holland is content to keep the playoff streak alive. Honestly, it will never happen, but shouldn't the Wings consider moving Z and/or Pavel? They aren't true contenders and aren't bad enough to get high draft picks to make an immediate impact (or they rot in Grand Rapids for four years anyways). I don't know, after today, I'm at a loss. Feel like it might be time to just tear it down entirely and rebuild.


#2528959 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by GoWings1905 on 01 July 2014 - 06:46 PM

So, Holland fails miserably and his fallback is to give a raise to a d-man no other team wanted to sign early in free agency? He's the most predictable and non-risk taking GM in professional sports right now.

I haven't been on the bandwagon before, but today I'm there. Ken Holland needs to go.


#2528707 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by GoWings1905 on 01 July 2014 - 04:38 PM

Holland has the worst day, Stevie and Nill probably improve their two teams the most. I think it's pretty clear now Holland surrounded himself with very intelligent people and got most of the credit. Not to mention, the scouts and coaches in player development making him look even better.


#2528657 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by GoWings1905 on 01 July 2014 - 04:19 PM

I have a feeling it's going to get worse even. Holland is either going to panic and trade away assets now for someone like Myers or sign some leftover free agent (probably Quincey because that's Holland) that won't make any impact going forward.


#2528631 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by GoWings1905 on 01 July 2014 - 04:11 PM

If the Wings knew Niskanen wasn't coming here before free agency, then what the hell has Holland been doing otherwise?


#2528594 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by GoWings1905 on 01 July 2014 - 04:03 PM

Blah. I'm pissed. Literally, no one wants to sign here. I bet you Holland did offer him the same amount but he didn't want to come here. Can't keep blaming Holland. We're not a destination anymore. 


Wouldn't that fall directly on Holland?


#2528200 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by GoWings1905 on 01 July 2014 - 01:40 PM

I feel so bad for Z and Pav. Winding down their careers on a middling, borderline playoff team stuck in mediocrity. They deserve better for everything they have given to the organization.

Babs is already packing his bags. Why would he stay in this situation?


#2528106 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by GoWings1905 on 01 July 2014 - 01:17 PM

Well, this day turned out even worse than expected, which is saying something lately with Holland.

Don't even bother signing any scraps or second tier waste of money free agents now. Play the kids and build for the future.


#2526726 Wings to have face to face with Matt Niskanen

Posted by GoWings1905 on 28 June 2014 - 09:29 PM

 

I think if anything he was just put in a position to excel. Bylsma seemed to understand his strengths and limitations and play him accordingly. Put him on your second pairing, give the toughest assignments to your first pairing, and let him run the first unit PP.


I fear we end up overpaying Sami Salo.

 

I think the Wings could afford to do the same with Niskanen too, even though he is going to get paid like a first pairing d-man. DeKeyser seems like an ideal complement to Niskanen as a defense partner and that would really solidify the Wings top four on defense, assuming Babs still intends on utilizing Kronner and E as the shutdown pair. Then Kronner/Niskanen on the points of the first PP unit. 

 

I honestly wasn't a huge fan of signing Niskanen going into free agency, but I'm pretty much aboard now and have come to grips it's probably going to fall in the necessary overpayment category should it occur. I want to win now because Pavel and Z are still here, yet also continue the transition into building for the future as well. Niskanen gives the Wings the opportunity to accomplish both of those goals.