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#2531418 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by GoWings1905 on 10 July 2014 - 10:36 PM

http://www.mlive.com...ary_determ.html
 
Good to know his knee seems to be doing much better now. I do hope he proves us wrong, and I'm glad he understands he has to earn a spot in the lineup. Like I said before, he does not hurt the team if he can't keep up and ends up in the press box. Watching all the games doesn't take a roster spot from anybody in GR. 
 
The signing is frustrating. That's something I agree with. I do think it is crappy for certain fans (mainly twitter) to be bashing Cleary over it. The guy wants to play. Sure I don't think it should be here, but I can't fault the guy for still having the determination to contribute. This is one situation where I am dying to eat some crow.
 
Prove us all wrong, Dano.

I'm not mad at Cleary either. None of this is his fault and who would turn down the opportunity presented to him by Holland?

My biggest gripe is we all know Cleary is going to get the benefit of the doubt again come September. There really shouldn't even be a competition, though -- Tomas Jurco has already proven himself to be an NHL player (certainly better than Cleary) and yet there's a pretty good chance he starts in Grand Rapids just because the option is there. If it's Cleary competing for a roster spot with Andersson or Glendening then whatever, but we all know the fallout here will be Jurco going down just like Nyquist last season and Tatar being a healthy scratch for the first ten games.

That's where Holland has continuously lied to all of us. "The kids are ready, we are confident they can play in Detroit" and they don't until massive injuries occur. Then they come up and do prove their worth only to be relegated to the same absurd treatment for washed up veterans.

Jurco shouldn't have to beat out Cleary for a roster spot in September. He already did that last season. That's why this signing is so ridiculous. I don't care about the money. I do care when the GM of the team continues to lie about icing the best team possible.


#2531337 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by GoWings1905 on 10 July 2014 - 07:45 PM

Helene St. James ‏@HeleneStJames 1m
#RedWings GM Ken Holland: "My program has been one of loyalty and there's good and bad that goes with that. Way more good, in my opinion."
 
 
so is holland himself admitting that the cleary signing is a bad one?


That loyalty has been real appealing to free agents too. All it has done recently is keep internal washed up veterans on the roster long past their usefulness. Every quote Holland has made lately does give the impression he's out of touch or trying to sell something nobody believes except his mouthpiece St. James.


#2531290 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by GoWings1905 on 10 July 2014 - 06:21 PM

How much of this signing has to do with the fact there is no vitality in that locker room. Waaaay too much seriousness, no Drapes, Malts, DMac, Shanny. The Room has to have characters, chemistry, and a certain amount of looseness to it.

Got to be a main reason for the signing.

 

I wouldn't have much to laugh about either if I was lacing up the skates next to Dan Cleary and Kyle Quincey every game. 




#2531277 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by GoWings1905 on 10 July 2014 - 06:08 PM

You people are all way too serous about this. Take a step back from your keyboard and breath.

 

The positive of this is it a 1 year deal we have a ton of cap space and looks like no way of using it.

 

If he performs like he has prior to the last couple of years you will all be in love with this move come season end.

 

He is a veteran player who can be trusted by the coach and knows the system, you are all very well aware of how fragile this team is so veteran leadership and depth at this price is a no brainer even if he does not play a game.

 

As for the GM I would like to see how some of the posters on this site would be able to pull off the NHL 2014 trades that some of you so desperately want. I can't imagine that it's that easy or you'd be a GM in this league by now.

 

Life long wings fan here who is a realistic person.

 

Chill out relax and enjoy the show!!!!

 

There is no positive to this, unless you are Helene St. James. First off, just because you have cap space doesn't mean blowing it on players that aren't going to help the team is prudent. Even for a year, it is completely not necessary to keep Cleary around. The Wings have an abundance of veteran leadership; all of which are still capable of playing hockey. Cleary doesn't add anything to the locker room, that isn't already there in the likes of Zetterberg, Kronwall, Datsyuk, probably Alfredsson too. 

 

Second, Dan Cleary is not reverting to previous form. 35 years old with no knees and other injury history is not an ideal reclamation project. I loved Cleary, but he hasn't been remotely useful in years because his style of play eventually broke him down physically. You don't get that back with age and some time at the gym. The simple fact is the Red Wings have superior talent already on the roster that are now at risk of losing their spot because of Cleary. Not to mention, there is a precedent set from not even a year ago that the Wings are willing to demote players to Grand Rapids at the expense of veterans with nothing of value to offer the team. 

 

Realistic is knowing Ken Holland's history and realizing how this is going to play out. None of which makes the Red Wings a better team come September. I don't quite understand what making a trade has to do with Cleary either. Much like the Quincey signing, Holland's best course of action was to do nothing. Instead, in typical fashion, he made a bad situation worse by clinging to his fascination with players he knows and washed up veterans. I can somewhat deal with striking out on free agents, but making senseless moves for the sake of doing something is far worse than just letting everything be. 

 

Again, I ask what is the direction of the Red Wings organization under Ken Holland right now? It obviously isn't youth movement, as many times as Holland prefers to lie to us otherwise. Holland is insulting the fan base with claims of letting the kids play when every move he makes indicates the opposite entirely. It isn't win now either or else we aren't all discussing Dan Cleary re-signing. So that leads me to believe extending the playoff streak and lingering in mediocrity is the preferred vision of the front office. 


 

If he happens to be healthy enough to play come playoff time, we'll probably end up being glad we have him. 

 

Yeah, Cleary will look terrific not being able to skate in our five game first round loss. 




#2531258 Who has been Ken Holland's worst recent free agent signing?

Posted by GoWings1905 on 10 July 2014 - 05:43 PM

The most depressing part is the sheer number of quality options to choose from. 

 

I'm going with Quincey. Cleary is close, but I figure his knees won't make it through pre-season, while Quincey will be stinking up the place for a full 82 games with that well-deserved raise he got. 




#2531193 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by GoWings1905 on 10 July 2014 - 04:44 PM

 
This same article also has Holland saying Cleary will have to beat out other players to be in the lineup. But lets ignore that because it isn;t in line with Holland bashing.


Because we should all believe that after Cleary made the team over Nyquist last season?


#2531166 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by GoWings1905 on 10 July 2014 - 04:29 PM

The Red Wings have absolutely no direction under Ken Holland. What's the sell to fans right now? The one thing that would and did add excitement is the youth movement and Ken takes a s*** on that every opportunity he gets. Extending the playoff streak is a joke because clearly the organization isn't trying to win now all that hard either by keeping Kyle Quincey and Dan Cleary around.

Holland is incompetent. The league has passed him by and lapped him at this point.


#2531144 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by GoWings1905 on 10 July 2014 - 04:12 PM

When the season ended, my nightmare scenario for the summer would have been re-signing Quincey and Cleary. I would have been mildly surprised by just one returning, but both all you can do is laugh in misery. Because Ken Holland will never leave his comfort zone. Sometimes the grass is greener there, Ken. And I don't mean on the golf course where apparently he spends all his time.

I'm gonna riot and I will not spend a dime on attending games if Cleary makes the team over Jurco in September. If people don't think Holland is out of touch by this point, I have nothing left to offer. Just look at the track record since 2009.


#2530629 Red Wings Target Mike Green

Posted by GoWings1905 on 08 July 2014 - 02:31 PM

 Tatar has completely outplayed Jurco up to this point. Sure he's not a big guy, but go tell Marty St. Louis he's too small to be an impact player. Jurco has been okay but not overly impressive by any means. Not that he won't improve and get better. But at this point in time Tatar has brought much more to the table than Jurco.


Tatar is two years older and spent more time in Grand Rapids developing, so obviously he is going to look more NHL ready than Jurco right now. Tatar is a pretty limited player -- he's very good at that particular skill (scoring goals), but that's about all he brings to the table. At best, Tatar is probably another version of Jiri Hudler.


#2530296 Hockey News: Red Wings D hunting

Posted by GoWings1905 on 06 July 2014 - 07:39 PM

I would give up Tatar as part of a package for Myers, but no way on the other three. At this point, I would just prefer Kenny to do nothing and not overpay for a d-man that probably won't have the impact necessary to make the Wings immediate contenders anyways.

Let the best kid out of training camp grab the sixth spot on defense, move Kindl for whatever possible and say many prayers for Jimmy Howard playing behind that train wreck of a defense.


#2529446 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by GoWings1905 on 02 July 2014 - 12:06 PM

I don't disagree with the premise of that article, but Ryan Lambert has bashed the Wings at every opportunity for years. He's a Blackhawks slappy that somehow got a job pretending to be an objective writer for Yahoo. I knew who had written that article just by reading the part posted without even opening the link.

Lambert is a clown. Helene St. James never finds anything wrong with the Red Wings and Lambert never sees anything right. Both are hacks.


#2529386 TANK IT! 2014-2015 Season

Posted by GoWings1905 on 02 July 2014 - 10:28 AM

I'm not entirely opposed, but I don't think a team with Zetterberg and Datsyuk on it is bad enough to tank. 

 

Move one of those two and it's plausible, plus you speed up the rebuilding process by getting picks and prospects back. 




#2529372 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by GoWings1905 on 02 July 2014 - 10:10 AM

Have we gotten to the point where keeping Kyle Quincey is justified by comparing him to a first round bust and 7th d-man? The only reason Quincey gets credit for having a stronger second half of the season is because his first half was such an absolute disaster, anything was going to look like an improvement. I remember a couple games alone early in the season where Quincey turnovers led directly to the Wings losing games. So maybe Quincey cut down on those in the second half, but he still provided nothing offensively and took 88 minutes worth of penalties because he isn't good defensively either and/or he's not very smart on the ice. 

 

On top of this, Kyle Quincey got a raise. Just because he showed up every night and was less of a catastrophe for part of a season. Nor does Quincey address any of the Wings issues defensively, being he's not right-handed and doesn't move the puck well (unless you count to the other team.) In addition, to no other team having a serious interest in Quincey through the first six hours of free agency being open. 

 

Complete panic move for the sake of Holland saying he tried and this was his solution for "something" when "nothing" was actually the best course of action. 




#2529247 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by GoWings1905 on 01 July 2014 - 11:35 PM

Quincey>Lashoff, Kindl

Cap hit is pretty much irrelevant since nobody wants our money. 2 years kind of stings. He had us by the balls but this deal hardly holds us back from improving


How do the Wings improve? They missed on every targeted impact free agent d-man. Holland's track record on trades is either non-existent or awful, besides acquiring Stuart. Even then, now asking prices for someone like Myers or Yandle will be higher and the Wings lose major assets in the process.

That's the problem with re-signing Quincey. It was simply out of panic and a desperation move, similar to the first time Holland brought Quincey back and also with Legwand. Holland said before free agency that the kids were a suitable backup plan should they strike out in free agency. Quincey does nothing but impede that exact idea. Every line Holland has fed us lately about relying on youth has been utter bulls*** unless his hand has been forced by excessive injuries to all of the declining veterans he so fondly lets hang around. Quincey doesn't help the Wings in any sense going forward.

Holland for years now is either ignorant of the process required to obtain talent or lying to the fanbase about his motives. Don't tell us you aren't trading for rentals at the deadline and then overpay for Legwand so the team could win one playoff game to extend a meaningless streak. Or constantly remind us how ready the kids are in Grand Rapids and then leave them rotting there for years so Kyle Quincey can have a roster spot on a team stuck in mediocrity.

I don't know why free agents don't want to play for the Red Wings anymore, but the general manager should. Especially when you have an extended window before free agency begins to meet with players and grasp an indication of their intentions. I'm just fed up with the lack of direction and excuse making coming from Holland and the front office while the lap dog reporters following the Wings perpetuate the fabrications.

Today is the low point for the Wings since the 2009 season ended. Something has to change because five plus years of the same tune and no results is unacceptable. I think most people have been more progressively getting frustrated with Holland's moves lately, but I have never seen such widespread angst from the fanbase than right now. That's a good thing because it means their customers still care enough and aren't apathetic spectators like what has happened to the Pistons. It's going to end that way though if the trend continues because this franchise is stale and Holland doesn't appear to have a solution or plan that doesn't involve his comfort zone of keeping players he shouldn't.

I will still be around October 9th and every game beyond that, but I have never been less enthused about a hockey season starting than this one. I'm just purely disgusted right now because I expect better from this organization.


#2529202 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by GoWings1905 on 01 July 2014 - 09:48 PM

I hope Mantha saves this franchise.

 

He will in 2019 when he finally gets called up.