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#2535830 2014 Preseason Thread

Posted by GoWings1905 on 09 September 2014 - 10:51 PM

No, we have Franzen, didn't you pay attention to what he said? 

Haha, no I caught it. One goal in 23 games to close a season plus a no-show in the playoffs four years running just doesn't meet my standards for a goal-scoring winger. Maybe in a complimentary sense, but the Wings clearly can't rely on Franzen for consistency.

#2535829 2014 Preseason Thread

Posted by GoWings1905 on 09 September 2014 - 10:44 PM

We won the year before without Hossa. Hossa was an unlikely bonus that did not translate into a cup.

I don't see what that has to do with my point. That 2008 team was stacked and put on a clinic in puck possession every night. Hossa scored 40+ for the Red Wings in 2009 and they have struggled to find even a 30 goal scorer since then. It didn't translate into a cup because the Wings were ravaged by injury during the playoffs (including Hossa). Regardless, this team has lacked a goal-scoring winger for over five years. Semin fits that description, but depends on how you feel about the baggage involved.

#2535455 Lines Thread

Posted by GoWings1905 on 03 September 2014 - 01:45 PM

Why don't we just have an entire team full of two way centers of varying degrees of effectiveness and then we can play them at every position? 
"And starting in goal, number 8, Justiiiiiiiin Abdelkadeeeeeeeer!"

No kidding. You knew Babs would somehow find a way to keep his boy Glendening at center on the 4th line. Bergeron and Krejci are scared s***less having to face his "grit" and defensive prowess.

#2535449 Lines Thread

Posted by GoWings1905 on 03 September 2014 - 01:11 PM

Na, there's actually only one Glendening in the league.

I like Luker way more than Andersson thus far.

Jurco was a fringe NHL player this time last year too. And again, he won't be on the opening day roster this year either.

I prefer Andersson out of the two, but both are expendable in reality. The Wings are already set up the middle with Weiss back, so I don't really see where Andersson or Glendening fit into the picture without injuries. 


Jurco was a fringe NHL player because he wasn't even 21 years old and then he proved during his time that he was good enough to stay. Glendening, Andersson and Callahan are fringe NHL players because none of them possess a skill set that is anything special to warrant an every day roster spot. Skill isn't the question with Jurco -- he held his own in a third line role and has immense talent to continue developing against quality competition. 


My argument has nothing to do with whether Jurco will make the team. That status was pretty much cemented by Cleary, maybe Alfie and the previously mentioned guys. My stance is that Jurco should be playing for the Red Wings regardless of his Grand Rapids option, the "logjam" at forward or whatever other reason people use for sending him down. 


Some agree more with Holland's overripe strategy and that's fine. I do think it has its merits at times and has worked before. However, I do believe it should be on a case-by-case basis instead of this overriding philosophical organizational belief that we cling to no matter what. Sending Jurco down "just because you can" is silly and a cop out to keep lesser players around that don't help the team win now or in the future. It's not like the Red Wings are this juggernaut championship contender anymore where they can afford to stash young talent in the minors. 

#2535421 Lines Thread

Posted by GoWings1905 on 02 September 2014 - 09:51 PM

There are hundreds of Luke Glendening's floating around the league. Hell, Joakim Andersson probably brings more to the table.

You don't keep Jurco down for Glendening or Callahan. Those are fringe NHL players.

#2535293 Lines Thread

Posted by GoWings1905 on 31 August 2014 - 10:29 PM

Is losing Callahan, Ferraro or even Glendening for nothing that big of a deal? I personally wouldn't care if none of the three played for the Wings. I want to win games; not uphold a philosophy of forcing prospects to be overripe, which hasn't gotten the team anywhere in five years. Jurco deserves to be in the NHL, regardless of the circumstances or taking the easy way out.

#2535228 Alfie wants to play

Posted by GoWings1905 on 30 August 2014 - 09:31 AM

LOL Cleary is absolutely an NHL calibre player. If he comes to camp healthy, he should without a doubt be capable of producing as a third line support guy. The big question is whether or not he is finally healthy... I don't like this signing any more than any other Wings fan, but I do have a ton of respect for Dan Cleary and for the Wings management (Ken Holland) for honoring their handshake deal from last year. I find it very difficult to believe that some Wings "fans" are actually hoping Cleary fails.f****** ridiculous... I hope he proves all the haters wrong and plays 50+ games and puts up 20+ points.


That is all well and good if Cleary somehow has knees again. I'm not rooting for him to fail, but Tomas Jurco can do better than 20 points on the third line, along with everything else he provides that is superior to Cleary. Even if Cleary is healthy, he's pushing better players off the roster. That has always been my continuous problem with the deal. 

#2535125 Las Vegas rumored to get an expansion team

Posted by GoWings1905 on 28 August 2014 - 08:56 PM


Only Atlanta has failed,the other three are still in the league,so you can't say that they have failed yet

I don't know that still existing is the only barometer of success. All have serious attendance issues. Phoenix was getting run by the league for a stretch. Most of these previous expansion markets are far from thriving and the league wants to continue pushing the idea. I hope there is a way to resolve the unbalanced conferences, but I don't want it come through adding four additional teams. I'm not really even a fan of two more unless it involves relocation.

#2534995 Las Vegas rumored to get an expansion team

Posted by GoWings1905 on 27 August 2014 - 12:08 AM

Just stop adding teams already. How much more watered down and parity filled do we need the league to become? Florida, Phoenix, Nashville and Atlanta all failed, but hey let's keep forcing the expansion issue some more.

At least relocate if they are going to pursue this dumb idea at all.

#2534634 Lines Thread

Posted by GoWings1905 on 20 August 2014 - 02:54 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if it was Abby. But I still think it'll be cleary with the euro twins.


I don't think so. As much of a misfit as Abby is on the first line, he's still superior to Cleary in every facet of the game at this juncture. I'm usually pretty critical of Babs decisions with the lines, but if Cleary makes the team at all, I fully expect it to be in a very minor role. Unless Cleary somehow magically got new knees and can skate again, there's no justification for him to get slotted above other more deserving forwards on the roster. Babs is trying to win and despite his stubborn nature, he isn't going to jeopardize that by overusing a washed up veteran. 

#2534627 Lines Thread

Posted by GoWings1905 on 20 August 2014 - 01:40 PM

Nyquist with the Euro Twins pretty much goes against Babs typical thinking when constructing a line. I'm not entirely opposed to Nyquist playing there (my first choice is Jurco), but if history is any indication, that spot is going to Abby. 


I don't really like Tatar away from Sheahan and/or Helm either. I think Tatar largely thrived offensively last season because he wasn't typically drawing opponents top forwards and d-men. Sheltering Tatar on the third line worked because most other teams couldn't match up with what the Wings could throw out in Tatar, Sheahan and Jurco together. 

#2534449 Lines Thread

Posted by GoWings1905 on 17 August 2014 - 10:55 PM

My preference:

Z - Pav - Jurco
Franzen - Weiss - Nyquist
Tatar - Sheahan - Alfie/Mantha
Miller - Helm - Abby

Kronwall - Smith
DeKeyser - E
KFQ - Marchenko/Ouellet

#2534132 Who is YOUR most under-appreciated/unsung Red Wing?

Posted by GoWings1905 on 12 August 2014 - 11:24 PM

Yes, yes, I know.  The Wings lost the Cup because of Stuart.  Or was it because of not suspending Malkin?  I can never remember which.  It surely couldn't have been that they got outplayed by a hungrier team. 
By pinning the Cup loss on Stuart, you're kinda making my point.  He's definitely an underappreciated Wings player. 

Exactly. People remember the two mistakes Stuart made in Game 7, but not how many shots he blocked that playoff run or 2008 on the PK, let alone all of his years in Detroit. Or how not a single Wings d-man besides maybe E has come close to matching Stuart's PK ability since then.

Physical, sound defensively and the ideal partner to complement Kronwall. Kronner really was able to contribute at a higher level offensively and play more aggressively with Stuart there to cover for him.

It was the perfect deadline acquisition to put the 2008 team over the top. I know there isn't much positive history for comparison, but for me that is easily Holland's best trade since the lockout.

#2534020 Alfie wants to play

Posted by GoWings1905 on 11 August 2014 - 04:49 PM

It won't happen, but I think the Wings should walk away from Alfie. This team is not a championship contender with Alfie back and you are committing money for not only this season, but likely the next one too. All of this for a 42-year-old coming off back issues that isn't likely to play anywhere near most of the games anyways.

I like Alfie and thought he was good (before the Olympics) last year. I don't like him for another season given the makeup of this roster. It just isn't a necessary move. Then again, neither was bringing back Cleary, Quincey or Monster, so of course Holland will pull the trigger.

Basically I'm absolutely opposed to anything that is going to keep Tomas Jurco in Grand Rapids and Alfie returning is another forward in the numbers game. Play the kids and speed up the transition to becoming relevant again. Signing Alfie for a veteran presence is fine if you are contending. Doesn't make any sense for the Wings now.

#2533874 Flyers agree to terms with Del Zotto

Posted by GoWings1905 on 07 August 2014 - 08:12 PM

So everyone ******* and moans about how our team has too many injury prone players and too many dud players like Quincey, Cleary etc, but we want a guy with serious injury problems who the Rangers fans came to recognize as a dud for his terrible defense, and who after being traded for by Nashville was shown the door?

Low risk move for only a year. I didn't necessarily want Del Zotto, but I would take a flyer on him rather than two years of Quincey at over four million per season. If he's hurt or bad, then the kids just play, which is my preferred solution anyways.