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#2531193 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by GoWings1905 on 10 July 2014 - 04:44 PM

This same article also has Holland saying Cleary will have to beat out other players to be in the lineup. But lets ignore that because it isn;t in line with Holland bashing.

Because we should all believe that after Cleary made the team over Nyquist last season?

#2531166 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by GoWings1905 on 10 July 2014 - 04:29 PM

The Red Wings have absolutely no direction under Ken Holland. What's the sell to fans right now? The one thing that would and did add excitement is the youth movement and Ken takes a s*** on that every opportunity he gets. Extending the playoff streak is a joke because clearly the organization isn't trying to win now all that hard either by keeping Kyle Quincey and Dan Cleary around.

Holland is incompetent. The league has passed him by and lapped him at this point.

#2531144 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by GoWings1905 on 10 July 2014 - 04:12 PM

When the season ended, my nightmare scenario for the summer would have been re-signing Quincey and Cleary. I would have been mildly surprised by just one returning, but both all you can do is laugh in misery. Because Ken Holland will never leave his comfort zone. Sometimes the grass is greener there, Ken. And I don't mean on the golf course where apparently he spends all his time.

I'm gonna riot and I will not spend a dime on attending games if Cleary makes the team over Jurco in September. If people don't think Holland is out of touch by this point, I have nothing left to offer. Just look at the track record since 2009.

#2530629 Red Wings Target Mike Green

Posted by GoWings1905 on 08 July 2014 - 02:31 PM

 Tatar has completely outplayed Jurco up to this point. Sure he's not a big guy, but go tell Marty St. Louis he's too small to be an impact player. Jurco has been okay but not overly impressive by any means. Not that he won't improve and get better. But at this point in time Tatar has brought much more to the table than Jurco.

Tatar is two years older and spent more time in Grand Rapids developing, so obviously he is going to look more NHL ready than Jurco right now. Tatar is a pretty limited player -- he's very good at that particular skill (scoring goals), but that's about all he brings to the table. At best, Tatar is probably another version of Jiri Hudler.

#2530296 Hockey News: Red Wings D hunting

Posted by GoWings1905 on 06 July 2014 - 07:39 PM

I would give up Tatar as part of a package for Myers, but no way on the other three. At this point, I would just prefer Kenny to do nothing and not overpay for a d-man that probably won't have the impact necessary to make the Wings immediate contenders anyways.

Let the best kid out of training camp grab the sixth spot on defense, move Kindl for whatever possible and say many prayers for Jimmy Howard playing behind that train wreck of a defense.

#2529446 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by GoWings1905 on 02 July 2014 - 12:06 PM

I don't disagree with the premise of that article, but Ryan Lambert has bashed the Wings at every opportunity for years. He's a Blackhawks slappy that somehow got a job pretending to be an objective writer for Yahoo. I knew who had written that article just by reading the part posted without even opening the link.

Lambert is a clown. Helene St. James never finds anything wrong with the Red Wings and Lambert never sees anything right. Both are hacks.

#2529386 TANK IT! 2014-2015 Season

Posted by GoWings1905 on 02 July 2014 - 10:28 AM

I'm not entirely opposed, but I don't think a team with Zetterberg and Datsyuk on it is bad enough to tank. 


Move one of those two and it's plausible, plus you speed up the rebuilding process by getting picks and prospects back. 

#2529372 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by GoWings1905 on 02 July 2014 - 10:10 AM

Have we gotten to the point where keeping Kyle Quincey is justified by comparing him to a first round bust and 7th d-man? The only reason Quincey gets credit for having a stronger second half of the season is because his first half was such an absolute disaster, anything was going to look like an improvement. I remember a couple games alone early in the season where Quincey turnovers led directly to the Wings losing games. So maybe Quincey cut down on those in the second half, but he still provided nothing offensively and took 88 minutes worth of penalties because he isn't good defensively either and/or he's not very smart on the ice. 


On top of this, Kyle Quincey got a raise. Just because he showed up every night and was less of a catastrophe for part of a season. Nor does Quincey address any of the Wings issues defensively, being he's not right-handed and doesn't move the puck well (unless you count to the other team.) In addition, to no other team having a serious interest in Quincey through the first six hours of free agency being open. 


Complete panic move for the sake of Holland saying he tried and this was his solution for "something" when "nothing" was actually the best course of action. 

#2529247 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by GoWings1905 on 01 July 2014 - 11:35 PM

Quincey>Lashoff, Kindl

Cap hit is pretty much irrelevant since nobody wants our money. 2 years kind of stings. He had us by the balls but this deal hardly holds us back from improving

How do the Wings improve? They missed on every targeted impact free agent d-man. Holland's track record on trades is either non-existent or awful, besides acquiring Stuart. Even then, now asking prices for someone like Myers or Yandle will be higher and the Wings lose major assets in the process.

That's the problem with re-signing Quincey. It was simply out of panic and a desperation move, similar to the first time Holland brought Quincey back and also with Legwand. Holland said before free agency that the kids were a suitable backup plan should they strike out in free agency. Quincey does nothing but impede that exact idea. Every line Holland has fed us lately about relying on youth has been utter bulls*** unless his hand has been forced by excessive injuries to all of the declining veterans he so fondly lets hang around. Quincey doesn't help the Wings in any sense going forward.

Holland for years now is either ignorant of the process required to obtain talent or lying to the fanbase about his motives. Don't tell us you aren't trading for rentals at the deadline and then overpay for Legwand so the team could win one playoff game to extend a meaningless streak. Or constantly remind us how ready the kids are in Grand Rapids and then leave them rotting there for years so Kyle Quincey can have a roster spot on a team stuck in mediocrity.

I don't know why free agents don't want to play for the Red Wings anymore, but the general manager should. Especially when you have an extended window before free agency begins to meet with players and grasp an indication of their intentions. I'm just fed up with the lack of direction and excuse making coming from Holland and the front office while the lap dog reporters following the Wings perpetuate the fabrications.

Today is the low point for the Wings since the 2009 season ended. Something has to change because five plus years of the same tune and no results is unacceptable. I think most people have been more progressively getting frustrated with Holland's moves lately, but I have never seen such widespread angst from the fanbase than right now. That's a good thing because it means their customers still care enough and aren't apathetic spectators like what has happened to the Pistons. It's going to end that way though if the trend continues because this franchise is stale and Holland doesn't appear to have a solution or plan that doesn't involve his comfort zone of keeping players he shouldn't.

I will still be around October 9th and every game beyond that, but I have never been less enthused about a hockey season starting than this one. I'm just purely disgusted right now because I expect better from this organization.

#2529202 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by GoWings1905 on 01 July 2014 - 09:48 PM

I hope Mantha saves this franchise.


He will in 2019 when he finally gets called up. 

#2529056 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by GoWings1905 on 01 July 2014 - 07:39 PM

Quincey played more minutes in LA and Colorado

Because Quincey at least contributed offensively then. Something he hasn't done whatsoever with the Red Wings.

#2529050 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by GoWings1905 on 01 July 2014 - 07:36 PM

Guys, it's only a 2 year deal. If we signed someone as a FA, we'd have to pay more and for a longer term. For a defenceman who plays 20 minutes a night, it's a good contract. Quincey would have got more if he hit the open market.

Quincey did hit the open market and no other team appeared to have interest since free agency kicked off earlier. Quincey playing 20 minutes per game is exactly the Wings problem defensively. They just made their issue a solution.

#2528980 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by GoWings1905 on 01 July 2014 - 06:56 PM

Actually, we'll probably be a middle of the pack team again. Woohoo exciting.

Worst place to be in hockey. The Wings are turning into the Calgary Flames. Lingering in mediocrity and Holland is content to keep the playoff streak alive. Honestly, it will never happen, but shouldn't the Wings consider moving Z and/or Pavel? They aren't true contenders and aren't bad enough to get high draft picks to make an immediate impact (or they rot in Grand Rapids for four years anyways). I don't know, after today, I'm at a loss. Feel like it might be time to just tear it down entirely and rebuild.

#2528959 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by GoWings1905 on 01 July 2014 - 06:46 PM

So, Holland fails miserably and his fallback is to give a raise to a d-man no other team wanted to sign early in free agency? He's the most predictable and non-risk taking GM in professional sports right now.

I haven't been on the bandwagon before, but today I'm there. Ken Holland needs to go.

#2528707 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by GoWings1905 on 01 July 2014 - 04:38 PM

Holland has the worst day, Stevie and Nill probably improve their two teams the most. I think it's pretty clear now Holland surrounded himself with very intelligent people and got most of the credit. Not to mention, the scouts and coaches in player development making him look even better.