What always gives me a chuckle is the need for Blues fans to let all of us know about their team. I'm not saying it was even the case here, but it feels like there is a lot of "hey look at us please" going on with that fanbase.
Maybe it's just me but the last thing I would think about doing is going to a rival's board to boast about the Red Wings accomplishments. In fact, I would be quite surprised if it really happens at all in general.
Having fans from other teams here is great (minus Chicago), but I truly don't care if the Blues finish first. We don't judge success based on the President's Trophy. Besides, the Blues jump in the standings oddly coincided with the Red Wings three best players at forward, defense, and in goal being injured.
All the negs are way too funny! It reality, don't neg me, neg the Wings. Even with Datsyuk, Bertuzzi and Lidstrom the PP and PK stunk. Something should have been addressed. Franzen is not returning from his mediocrity. I hate being right, but Franzen has been invisible, Hudler has stunk a lot. These are things you cannot deny, you just neg because someone is telling you what you are starting to realize. I told you all summer and all year thus far. Enduring negs, slander and name calling, yet they never seem to prove me wrong. You can mark these words, Detroit will be no higher than the #5 seed come playoffs. Lets see if you are man enough to debate it...
edit: Didn't figure anyone would be man enough to debate. Don't be too upset when your son grow's up to be just like you....and you know what you are.
I didn't personally neg you, but I am curious as to why you are so convinced the Red Wings are doomed to fail? They were ahead of the Blues basically all season with a healthy lineup. If Datsyuk, Lidstrom and Howard all get back around Tuesday, there's still 13 games to go to make up four points. If you are so convinced the Predators will easily catch the Red Wings by that same margin, then it isn't impossible for a healthy Wings team to do the same.
Again, I will also state 4th or even 5th wouldn't mean an automatic first round exit. If San Jose gets in as the 7th or 8th seed, I would rather deal with Nashville than the Sharks again.
Really strong effort and the Red Wings outplayed the Predators for a good chunk of the game. Yeah it sucks to lose given the standings, but Nashville had everything in their favor tonight and the Red Wings almost pulled out a win. Seven regulars out and playing on consecutive nights is tough to overcome.
The powerplay has to get fixed though -- it's getting beyond pathetic now. Even before Datsyuk and Lidstrom got hurt, it was pretty dismal and it has just continued to decline. You could definitely argue that special teams have made the difference between a number of wins and losses recently. The Red Wings have kept the games close even with so many injuries, but the special teams struggles have played a huge factor in losing by a goal instead of winning by one.
Hopefully some healthy bodies get back on Tuesday, namely the big three. Plenty of time to win the division still.
I've been flamed on this board the past 2 years for seeing how ineffective Cleary has been. Now others are starting to see it; I must say, I do feel a sense of sweet vindication. He needs to go after this season, for the salary he makes, we could get younger, faster, and more effective. He's a 4th line grinder at best now, but makes money of a 2nd liner. I believe his contract is up this year? Please dear god, Holland do NOT re-sign him!!!
I can't imagine why you were getting flamed for calling Cleary ineffective in a year he scored 26 goals.
Franzen has produced this season at the same rate as Hossa, and Hossa no longer displays the same defensive effort as he once did.
Hossa: 63 points in 65 games Franzen: 50 points in 65 games
How exactly is that anything near the same rate?
And Hossa is an elite defensive forward; no clue where you are getting his effort has decreased. I saw him back-check effectively more times in today's game than Franzen ever has. I'll take Hossa's "reduced effort" over Franzen's floating. Effort should never come up in a debate comparing someone to Franzen. The ice crew skates harder than Franzen does.
Hossa regularly plays on the PK, and is excellent at takeaways. Franzen does neither.
Hossa >>>>>>>>>> Franzen.
Thank you. I would plus this 100 more times if I could.
Of that list, Cleary is the one who is frustrating me the most. Iím pulling my hair out watching him play because heís totally ineffective out there. Hit someone, take shots on goal, just freaking do something with all the ice time youíre gifted.
I feel ya and I'm a big Cleary fan. I think he's still banged up, but it's frustrating to watch him play and not generate much of anything offensively.
Franzen is the worst of the bunch though IMO. Helm and Miller bust their tails every single shift and Franzen won't even put in the effort to win a puck battle along the boards. He skates around with no sense of urgency. I just don't understand why he gets excused for being so damn lazy during the regular season because he turns it up during the playoffs. You can play hard during the regular season and still be considered an even better player during the post-season. Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Filppula all do it.
Gutsy win. Wasn't pretty, but tough to expect that with Datsyuk and Lidstrom out. Zetterberg has really stepped up the past couple games, same with Filppula. I thought Kindl had a really strong game, which is nice to see with Ericsson out for awhile. Smith and Janik were both reliable too.
My only real complaint is Hudler still on the point. I'm guessing having no Lidstrom and Quincey necessitated the move tonight, but that needs to stop. Just throw Stuart or Smith back there to be safe. Hudler's speed is a huge liability; I'm thinking at least half of those eight short-handed goals against this season have been a direct result of Hudler.
Huge two points regardless. Need to grind out as many as possible with Pavel out and make a big run when he returns for first overall.
Just got back from the game. Incredible atmosphere and a really good game between two excellent hockey teams. Bummer to lose and see the streak come to an end, but the record has its place in history now.
I hate the Canucks. I really wanna play those tools in the WCF. Luongo celebrated at the end of the shootout like it was the biggest game of his career. Not to mention all the diving and other garbage the Canucks pull. I will give them credit where it is due though -- they are a very deep team, up front and on defense. The Sedin's dominated all night. I know they flop around with the best of them, but their puck possession and cycling is near impossible to defend.
Miller-Helm-Abdelkader were just spectacular together. Best line by far as I thought both of the top two lines looked poor except for a couple stretches. I'm sure the GWG and playoff performer crowd will throw their stats back as usual, but Johan Franzen is a joke. He may be the most infuriating player I have watched in a Red Wings uniform. If Franzen had half the heart of Helm or Miller, he could score 40-50 goals with ease. I'm so sick of watching him float around and make lazy passes nightly. The duration of his contract makes me cringe; I wonder how lazy he will be five years from now. I hope the Red Wings find another top-six forward somehow at the deadline.
The powerplay is still pathetic too. Way too much skill to not score goals. They really aren't even creating many quality opportunities right now. Oh well, time to start a new winning streak on Saturday.