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#2435032 Franzen: "I am not a goal scorer"

Posted by GoWings1905 on 04 September 2013 - 07:58 PM

Except Franzen outshot Cleary 116 to 93 last season and had a higher S% of 12.1 as compared to Cleary's 9.7

And the difference is bigger during regular seasons that arnt 48 games long. The only player that typically out shoots Franzen is Zetterberg. Wouldn't say having a confident shot is the issue at all here.


I have more of a problem where Franzen typically plays on the ice. Cleary did a ton of dirty work in front of the net, which Franzen could do more of with his size. Franzen has ridiculous hands and probably the best wrist shot on the team, but yet he rarely seems to put himself near the slot where he could utilize that strength. The Wings got slightly better as the season progressed, but they still have a knack for generating too much of their offense from the perimeter. 


That's why I don't have as much of a gripe with Cleary and Abby. At least they were consistently willing to try and score dirty goals. 

#2434944 What forward is the Red Wings X Factor?

Posted by GoWings1905 on 04 September 2013 - 11:34 AM

I went with Helm. The energy and dimension of the team change entirely when he is healthy. Now that the top-six is stronger with the additions of Alfredsson and Weiss, Helm coming back as the third line center makes this a very deep forward unit. 


There's really no equivalent to Helm's speed and ability to forecheck on the Red Wings. Not to mention, he's the best penalty-killing forward as well. 

#2434887 Franzen: "I am not a goal scorer"

Posted by GoWings1905 on 03 September 2013 - 10:35 PM

Saying someones angle is lame is a lame angle.

The point is: Franzen at $4 > Clarkson at $5.25, regardless of whether u perceive Franzen to float now and then or not.

Again, none of you have any idea how Franzen will play at 38. Some players drop off as early as 32 and some can play top lines till they're 40. Of course he'll slow with age, but none of us know which Franzen will be, so it's kind of pointless to speculate.
It doesn't forgive anything. No player is perfect. Do I wish Franzen were less streaky? Yes. Do I wish Zetterberg would shoot more? Yes. Did I wish Cleary would fall down less? Yes. Do I wish Sammy wouldn't shoot it directly at the logo? Yes. Do I wish Ericsson would throw bigger hits? Yes.

Fact is, lazy or not. They overpaid. We didn't. Franzen is the better deal among those players.

Sure, those guys got overpaid. In the context when Franzen actually signed his deal, the Red Wings opted for him over a better (slightly more expensive) Marian Hossa.

I didn't really care about signing Clarkson or Clowe, but in terms of value comparing players -- I want Hossa over Franzen every time.

#2434584 Franzen: "I am not a goal scorer"

Posted by GoWings1905 on 01 September 2013 - 11:58 AM

This would be more acceptable if Franzen was decent at other areas of hockey. That isn't the case at all.

He should be looking to score goals. That's what the Red Wings are paying him to do for the next 35 years of that contract.

#2434493 Teemu Selanne to return for a final season

Posted by GoWings1905 on 30 August 2013 - 05:58 PM

One more season of whining on a team that is going to regress big time.

Welcome back, Teemu! Great player, but I think his class act stature is phony.

#2434458 Wings sign Alfredsson to 1-year, $3.5m deal (+$2m bonuses)

Posted by GoWings1905 on 30 August 2013 - 12:12 PM


So that's also pretty much an official no to Cleary coming back, right?


It sure seems that way. I think it was all but official when Samuelsson couldn't get bought out, though. That would have obviously at least created a path for Cleary's possible return. 

#2434454 Wings sign Alfredsson to 1-year, $3.5m deal (+$2m bonuses)

Posted by GoWings1905 on 30 August 2013 - 11:44 AM



Confirmation of Alfredsson wearing #11, for those interested. 






#2434277 One player to put us over the top

Posted by GoWings1905 on 27 August 2013 - 09:01 PM

I think the Red Wings biggest need right now is a top-pairing d-man. Less necessary because of the DeKeyser emergence, but I still believe someone to complement Kronwall would really solidify the defense. 


Granted, most teams aren't willingly going to give up such an asset. I'm sure the asking price was/would be insane, but the one name that comes to mind for me is Alex Edler. There were rumors earlier in the summer of his availability and the Red Wings being interested, so he was at that point reasonably available. 


Again, without question one of Nyquist or Tatar is going the other way for starters. Beyond that, I would just be guessing at what it would take to acquire Edler. 

#2434232 Wings sign Alfredsson to 1-year, $3.5m deal (+$2m bonuses)

Posted by GoWings1905 on 27 August 2013 - 11:26 AM


Call me when Cleary becomes one of the best net-front presences in the league and an important part of the power play. Beaten-up, slow, 39-year-old Holmstrom in his last season was valuable in ways that 2013 Cleary wasn't. 


Conversely, Cleary did many things that Holmstrom never could. Nobody could replace Holmstrom's ability in front of the net. I would argue Cleary was one of the few on the team willing/able to fill that role. In fact, Cleary and Abdelkader were the two forwards consistently willing to play in the tough areas of the ice last season. 


The point still holds true. You ripped anyone that didn't want Holmstrom around, yet practically everyone here loves to jump on the anti-Cleary bandwagon. 


To clarify, I don't want Cleary back either, but the whipping boy status Cleary has garnered went way overboard. 

#2434047 Keep Tootoo, Drop Cleary

Posted by GoWings1905 on 24 August 2013 - 12:52 PM

I can only imagine the hatred around the NHL if Bertuzzi is the first guy Zetterberg hands the Cup to.  

I think another newly acquired vet may have that potential honor locked up.

#2430804 Schedule Release?

Posted by GoWings1905 on 19 July 2013 - 01:34 PM

Seeing Toronto and Montreal multiple times on the schedule as opposed to Nashville is a beautiful sight. 

#2430580 Brendan Smith signs 2-year, $2.525m contract with Red Wings

Posted by GoWings1905 on 17 July 2013 - 09:25 PM

I really don't see Cleary signing elsewhere. How do you explain to your brand new team mates and coaches and media circus that it's ok that your knees are shot and you fall down every shift, because you're a respected leader? Unless we're talking about, like, Florida.


Beyond the physical limitations, it's not like Cleary is incapable of providing value to a team at this stage. The Red Wings don't lack for quality leaders and Cleary was widely respected by his teammates here, so that impact could easily translate to another organization. 


I'm not really even advocating for the Red Wings to keep Cleary. I just think the LGW consensus (not you, specifically) has turned Cleary into a villain when he still provides qualities that are necessary to win hockey games. 

#2429337 Brunner Contract Talks

Posted by GoWings1905 on 10 July 2013 - 07:56 PM

The Wings are loaded with solid defensive forwards. I can overlook Brunner's deficiency in that area because he provides the Red Wings with something they severely lack in goal-scoring ability. 


I still hope Brunner comes back, but the ship seems to have sailed in Detroit. 

#2429107 Brunner Contract Talks

Posted by GoWings1905 on 09 July 2013 - 06:31 PM

Emmerton IS our 4th line center. They will play Andersson and Helm in the top 9, if both are healthy.

Both are centers and very strong ones at that, so I don't see Helm or Andersson moving to the wing. Emmerton is quite expendable. His spot is entirely contingent on Helm's back.

#2428826 So.. what are our expectations for this roster?

Posted by GoWings1905 on 08 July 2013 - 03:14 PM

Because I don't think theyll be able to hold up in the east. Not with the current roster and if they sign clearly it gets worse.

But if by some chance they stay healthy. They can make the playoffs but they won't be cup contenders either way.

The Eastern Conference angle is way overblown. Chicago just won it all with skill and very little physical presence. Besides, Boston and Toronto are really the only imposing threats of "big teams" in the conference. The Flyers too I guess, but they aren't any good.

The West had the Blues, Kings, Ducks and to an extent the Sharks for awhile. They were all built on size, so it's not like the Red Wings have never been exposed to playing bigger opponents.

I'm a believer the Red Wings could certainly use some more size up front (especially on the wing), but moving to the East doesn't suddenly mean they will get run off the ice.