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#2442596 So....did Cleary just take Tatar's spot?

Posted by GoWings1905 on 07 October 2013 - 10:43 PM

Tatar is being wasted even more if his one shot to impress was playing on a line with Emmerton and Miller. At least move him up with Andersson on the third line because Cleary and Bertuzzi aren't doing anything offensively there. A highly skilled forward shouldn't be dumped on the fourth line -- how is that giving him any chance to succeed?

#2442156 10/5 GDT : Red Wings 1 at Bruins 4

Posted by GoWings1905 on 05 October 2013 - 06:17 PM

who cares Sammy is garbage compared to tats

I obviously feel the same way, but Nyquist could be on the team too if we didn't have a three-million dollar player in the press box.

#2441965 10/4 GDT : Red Wings 3 at Hurricanes 2 (OT)

Posted by GoWings1905 on 04 October 2013 - 08:54 PM

Great comeback and win! Very happy for Weiss -- I thought both him and Alfie played well tonight. The big guns are impressive as expected, but something has to give on the bottom two lines. Samuelsson needs to sit for Tatar immediately and Bertuzzi is close behind.

Jimmy was steady as usual. DeKeyser is so impressive and really solidifies the defense.

#2441645 10/4 GDT : Red Wings 3 at Hurricanes 2 (OT)

Posted by GoWings1905 on 04 October 2013 - 06:33 PM

The third line plus Quincey/Smith on defense is a really bad combination.

#2441562 10/4 GDT : Red Wings 3 at Hurricanes 2 (OT)

Posted by GoWings1905 on 04 October 2013 - 12:54 PM

Should have put Mrazek in tonight and play Jimmy tomorrow for Boston


There's two angles on that one. In theory, I agree being that Boston is a superior team to Carolina that you would want Howard in goal tomorrow instead. However, I think a lot of coaches view back-to-back as try to win the first game with fresh legs and then somehow steal a point or two in the second game. 


I think both opinions have merit. Mrazek seems pretty unflappable, so I don't see the opponent bothering him all that much. 

#2440429 Who will be LGW's whipping boy this season?

Posted by GoWings1905 on 02 October 2013 - 08:16 AM

Holland should get most of the frustration directed at him for putting the main whipping boys on the team. Namely, Samuelsson, Cleary and Bertuzzi. You could throw Quincey in as well because he has been terrible for the price it took to acquire and retain him.

#2439967 Emmerton on Waivers

Posted by GoWings1905 on 30 September 2013 - 12:37 PM

Tatar scratched while Cleary, Bertuzzi and Samuelsson probably all play?


Holland will never embrace a youth movement. It only happened because his hand was forced last season.

#2438811 Amway-Red Wings end partnership

Posted by GoWings1905 on 24 September 2013 - 09:00 PM

The DTE goal nonsense is the worst. Put your logo near center ice and be happy. No one needs to hear a sponsorship during a goal celebration.

#2437820 Franzen: "I am not a goal scorer"

Posted by GoWings1905 on 19 September 2013 - 09:42 PM


They had the same number of points last season.


That's fine, but even when Marian Hossa isn't putting up points, he influences the game in other areas. That's the major difference between him and Franzen. Hossa is a far superior all-around player. 

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#2437377 Cleary re-signs with Detroit, 1 year, $1.75m deal

Posted by GoWings1905 on 17 September 2013 - 09:36 PM

I just noticed this... Cleary got a NTC on his contract...


Not that concerning for a one-year deal. If Cleary performs well enough, the Wings won't move him and if he doesn't, I doubt any team takes him on as a rental. On the other hand, Samuelsson getting a NTC was a terrible decision.

#2436703 will you tank red wings games due to the cleary signing

Posted by GoWings1905 on 15 September 2013 - 12:29 PM

Honestly if anyone does that, I question how much of a Wings fan they were to begin with. It's not like the Red Wings are the Lions where the organization continually botches personnel moves. 


This is a really good team, with or without Dan Cleary. I don't like the move either, but boycotting over a signing is ridiculous. 

#2436623 Cleary re-signs with Detroit, 1 year, $1.75m deal

Posted by GoWings1905 on 14 September 2013 - 03:23 PM

Going to be weird seeing Cleary in 71. Fitting conclusion to this entire saga.

Did he choose 71 because his knees are that old?

#2436545 Franzen: "I am not a goal scorer"

Posted by GoWings1905 on 13 September 2013 - 05:53 PM

The real problem is that people expect him to be a 40 goal scorer, when he simply is not (Well that and we expect him to be a goal per game player like he was in the 08 playoffs). It's quite the anomaly. Even Mickey Redmond refers to him as a 40 goal guy, but check his stats, at 33, he's never scored that much. Hell, he's only scored over 30 goals once. 


Moral of the story, perhaps people need to change their expectations of how much this guy scores. He's a high 20 goal scorer. Couple that with an average of 20 assists and it doesn't seem as bad as people make it out to be. 


I do think he will largely benefit from playing with workhorses like Weiss or Alfie though. Guys who aren't afraid to get a little dirty while he gets himself into prime scoring positions (and when you can shoot the puck like him, that's pretty much anywhere).


I'm not so sure it's Franzen's production that people have a gripe about. At least for me personally, it's more the appearance that Franzen doesn't show up to play every game. He is a great value for the contract, but that doesn't make floating and lack of effort acceptable. Franzen's massive playoff years probably skewed some expectations, though in reality Franzen hasn't performed at all in the playoffs since then. So, when your fallback is "playoff performer" and then you don't do that anymore -- combined with the floating during the regular season, that's where fans start to get upset with Franzen. 


I agree that Weiss centering a line should help out Franzen this season. He needs somebody to do most of the work.

#2436109 Cleary re-signs with Detroit, 1 year, $1.75m deal

Posted by GoWings1905 on 12 September 2013 - 10:51 AM

Is there any chance even if Cleary is the worst player on the ice at camp, he ends up being cut? or does this give him immunity?


Samuelsson is around, so I doubt Cleary will be the worst player at camp.


The money and term aren't bad for Cleary, but I just can't get around how completely unnecessary this move is. He's a better player than Sammy or Bert, though having all three around is ridiculous. Nyquist is somehow going to start in Grand Rapids, which is an insult to him because he deserves to be in the NHL. 


Real puzzling decision by Holland after a strong summer otherwise. His obsession with veterans and loyalty to certain players goes overboard too often. 

#2435919 Report: Cleary to sign with PHI, 3 yrs, $2.75m/yr, NTC

Posted by GoWings1905 on 11 September 2013 - 08:10 PM


I analyzed his production in the playoffs today. He had one legitimate goal (with a stick and against a goalie), the others being either empty netters (1) or deflections off his body (2); and he had one primary assist (a pass to Smith at the blue line), with the remainder being pedestrian passes to other players who ended up doing the actual set-up work. His numbers are very inflated.


In the meantime, he was making bad defensive plays and turning the puck over regularly. The latter became a commonality during the regular season; Cleary required extra time to bend over and pass it a puck, and even more than that to lift it into the air, and opposing players with no such restrictions in quickness (meaning nearly all of them) would generally catch up to him before he managed to get either of those things done. This was especially troublesome along the boards, because the opposition would simply hold him there and yank the puck away from him.


I guess all of that is irrelevant to me. If Cleary had not produced points, people would have piled on him even more. Especially since Cleary was receiving a lot of ice time. Cleary gets "ugly" goals/points because he puts himself into position to do so. Maybe if Franzen and Filppula would have done the same, they could have gotten themselves some more "illegitimate" points. 


I think discrediting a player's production is rather silly. Players get deflections off their body when they go to the front of the net, not float around the perimeter like Franzen and Filppula did. Hockey is a weird game of bounces and you clearly were just focusing on the negatives in your analysis of Cleary to further diminish his value to the team. 


I could analyze Franzen and Filppula's play and come up with a whole lot of invisibility. I will stand by my original point that Cleary was useful in the playoffs. You attempted to do the same thing for Brunner when he didn't get re-signed.