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#2441645 10/4 GDT : Red Wings 3 at Hurricanes 2 (OT)

Posted by GoWings1905 on 04 October 2013 - 06:33 PM

The third line plus Quincey/Smith on defense is a really bad combination.

#2441562 10/4 GDT : Red Wings 3 at Hurricanes 2 (OT)

Posted by GoWings1905 on 04 October 2013 - 12:54 PM

Should have put Mrazek in tonight and play Jimmy tomorrow for Boston


There's two angles on that one. In theory, I agree being that Boston is a superior team to Carolina that you would want Howard in goal tomorrow instead. However, I think a lot of coaches view back-to-back as try to win the first game with fresh legs and then somehow steal a point or two in the second game. 


I think both opinions have merit. Mrazek seems pretty unflappable, so I don't see the opponent bothering him all that much. 

#2440429 Who will be LGW's whipping boy this season?

Posted by GoWings1905 on 02 October 2013 - 08:16 AM

Holland should get most of the frustration directed at him for putting the main whipping boys on the team. Namely, Samuelsson, Cleary and Bertuzzi. You could throw Quincey in as well because he has been terrible for the price it took to acquire and retain him.

#2439967 Emmerton on Waivers

Posted by GoWings1905 on 30 September 2013 - 12:37 PM

Tatar scratched while Cleary, Bertuzzi and Samuelsson probably all play?


Holland will never embrace a youth movement. It only happened because his hand was forced last season.

#2438811 Amway-Red Wings end partnership

Posted by GoWings1905 on 24 September 2013 - 09:00 PM

The DTE goal nonsense is the worst. Put your logo near center ice and be happy. No one needs to hear a sponsorship during a goal celebration.

#2437820 Franzen: "I am not a goal scorer"

Posted by GoWings1905 on 19 September 2013 - 09:42 PM


They had the same number of points last season.


That's fine, but even when Marian Hossa isn't putting up points, he influences the game in other areas. That's the major difference between him and Franzen. Hossa is a far superior all-around player. 

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#2437377 Cleary re-signs with Detroit, 1 year, $1.75m deal

Posted by GoWings1905 on 17 September 2013 - 09:36 PM

I just noticed this... Cleary got a NTC on his contract...


Not that concerning for a one-year deal. If Cleary performs well enough, the Wings won't move him and if he doesn't, I doubt any team takes him on as a rental. On the other hand, Samuelsson getting a NTC was a terrible decision.

#2436703 will you tank red wings games due to the cleary signing

Posted by GoWings1905 on 15 September 2013 - 12:29 PM

Honestly if anyone does that, I question how much of a Wings fan they were to begin with. It's not like the Red Wings are the Lions where the organization continually botches personnel moves. 


This is a really good team, with or without Dan Cleary. I don't like the move either, but boycotting over a signing is ridiculous. 

#2436623 Cleary re-signs with Detroit, 1 year, $1.75m deal

Posted by GoWings1905 on 14 September 2013 - 03:23 PM

Going to be weird seeing Cleary in 71. Fitting conclusion to this entire saga.

Did he choose 71 because his knees are that old?

#2436545 Franzen: "I am not a goal scorer"

Posted by GoWings1905 on 13 September 2013 - 05:53 PM

The real problem is that people expect him to be a 40 goal scorer, when he simply is not (Well that and we expect him to be a goal per game player like he was in the 08 playoffs). It's quite the anomaly. Even Mickey Redmond refers to him as a 40 goal guy, but check his stats, at 33, he's never scored that much. Hell, he's only scored over 30 goals once. 


Moral of the story, perhaps people need to change their expectations of how much this guy scores. He's a high 20 goal scorer. Couple that with an average of 20 assists and it doesn't seem as bad as people make it out to be. 


I do think he will largely benefit from playing with workhorses like Weiss or Alfie though. Guys who aren't afraid to get a little dirty while he gets himself into prime scoring positions (and when you can shoot the puck like him, that's pretty much anywhere).


I'm not so sure it's Franzen's production that people have a gripe about. At least for me personally, it's more the appearance that Franzen doesn't show up to play every game. He is a great value for the contract, but that doesn't make floating and lack of effort acceptable. Franzen's massive playoff years probably skewed some expectations, though in reality Franzen hasn't performed at all in the playoffs since then. So, when your fallback is "playoff performer" and then you don't do that anymore -- combined with the floating during the regular season, that's where fans start to get upset with Franzen. 


I agree that Weiss centering a line should help out Franzen this season. He needs somebody to do most of the work.

#2436109 Cleary re-signs with Detroit, 1 year, $1.75m deal

Posted by GoWings1905 on 12 September 2013 - 10:51 AM

Is there any chance even if Cleary is the worst player on the ice at camp, he ends up being cut? or does this give him immunity?


Samuelsson is around, so I doubt Cleary will be the worst player at camp.


The money and term aren't bad for Cleary, but I just can't get around how completely unnecessary this move is. He's a better player than Sammy or Bert, though having all three around is ridiculous. Nyquist is somehow going to start in Grand Rapids, which is an insult to him because he deserves to be in the NHL. 


Real puzzling decision by Holland after a strong summer otherwise. His obsession with veterans and loyalty to certain players goes overboard too often. 

#2435919 Report: Cleary to sign with PHI, 3 yrs, $2.75m/yr, NTC

Posted by GoWings1905 on 11 September 2013 - 08:10 PM


I analyzed his production in the playoffs today. He had one legitimate goal (with a stick and against a goalie), the others being either empty netters (1) or deflections off his body (2); and he had one primary assist (a pass to Smith at the blue line), with the remainder being pedestrian passes to other players who ended up doing the actual set-up work. His numbers are very inflated.


In the meantime, he was making bad defensive plays and turning the puck over regularly. The latter became a commonality during the regular season; Cleary required extra time to bend over and pass it a puck, and even more than that to lift it into the air, and opposing players with no such restrictions in quickness (meaning nearly all of them) would generally catch up to him before he managed to get either of those things done. This was especially troublesome along the boards, because the opposition would simply hold him there and yank the puck away from him.


I guess all of that is irrelevant to me. If Cleary had not produced points, people would have piled on him even more. Especially since Cleary was receiving a lot of ice time. Cleary gets "ugly" goals/points because he puts himself into position to do so. Maybe if Franzen and Filppula would have done the same, they could have gotten themselves some more "illegitimate" points. 


I think discrediting a player's production is rather silly. Players get deflections off their body when they go to the front of the net, not float around the perimeter like Franzen and Filppula did. Hockey is a weird game of bounces and you clearly were just focusing on the negatives in your analysis of Cleary to further diminish his value to the team. 


I could analyze Franzen and Filppula's play and come up with a whole lot of invisibility. I will stand by my original point that Cleary was useful in the playoffs. You attempted to do the same thing for Brunner when he didn't get re-signed.

#2435764 Report: Cleary to sign with PHI, 3 yrs, $2.75m/yr, NTC

Posted by GoWings1905 on 10 September 2013 - 07:30 PM

so he went for an extra 1.65 mil over 3 years


shows how much he wanted to be here. or maybe he knew he was getting push to the bottom


he always was a good playoff guy. but 3 years is too long and 2.75 is too much. i rather have alfie


Not sure it has as much to do with Cleary's desire to stay with the Red Wings, as it does the Wings have no space to make the move. I think if both sides had their way, Cleary would still be in Detroit. Not that I'm disappointed in Cleary moving on to the Flyers, but in reality Holland's awful contract to Samuelsson probably prevented Cleary from staying. So for once, I'm thankful to have that horrible deal. 


As you stated, I completely agree that three years is far too long for a player breaking down physically. Cleary is one of my favorites, but I am relieved that the Red Wings don't have another roster spot potentially being taken away from Nyquist/Tatar. 


Regardless, I am grateful for Cleary's dedication and service to the organization. Remarkable story from training camp invite to a major contributor on a championship team and one that came within a game of another. I personally became a huge Cleary fan because of his work-ethic and heart. He fell down a ton at the end, but he was always out there competing hard every shift.


Anticipating Cleary outworking Franzen for a loose puck or two on October 12th.  :bye1:

#2435463 X Factor Part Deux

Posted by GoWings1905 on 08 September 2013 - 01:59 PM

This one is easier for me than the forwards. For me, it is DeKeyser easily. I think the Red Wings beat the Blackhawks with a healthy DeKeyser. Their forecheck gave the Red Wings fits and DeKeyser's speed/puck-moving ability was something the Red Wings really lacked in that series defensively. His poise and steadiness really solidified the defense at the end of last season. 

#2435032 Franzen: "I am not a goal scorer"

Posted by GoWings1905 on 04 September 2013 - 07:58 PM

Except Franzen outshot Cleary 116 to 93 last season and had a higher S% of 12.1 as compared to Cleary's 9.7

And the difference is bigger during regular seasons that arnt 48 games long. The only player that typically out shoots Franzen is Zetterberg. Wouldn't say having a confident shot is the issue at all here.


I have more of a problem where Franzen typically plays on the ice. Cleary did a ton of dirty work in front of the net, which Franzen could do more of with his size. Franzen has ridiculous hands and probably the best wrist shot on the team, but yet he rarely seems to put himself near the slot where he could utilize that strength. The Wings got slightly better as the season progressed, but they still have a knack for generating too much of their offense from the perimeter. 


That's why I don't have as much of a gripe with Cleary and Abby. At least they were consistently willing to try and score dirty goals.