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#2528495 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by kipwinger on 01 July 2014 - 03:25 PM

Has anyone checked to make sure that Ken Holland isn't actually dead?  He might very well be dead...from the shame of not making a trade before the draft...and is still lying on his bathroom floor somewhere in suburban Detroit.  I say "bathroom floor" because he must surely have been looking at himself in the mirror saying "what happened to you?...You used to be so...so...so..." right before his heart exploded. 


This would explain why there were no moves today.  The fact that everyone hates hisf****** guts for destroying our team would explain why nobody has bothered to go looking for him. 

#2524287 Dan Cleary may return...sigh

Posted by kipwinger on 17 June 2014 - 05:31 PM

If we burn Dan Cleary in effigy outside Joe Louis Arena do you think everyone involved will get the point?

#2524244 Dan Cleary may return...sigh

Posted by FireCaptain on 17 June 2014 - 01:11 PM




#2522847 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by Bring Back The Bruise Bros on 05 June 2014 - 01:36 AM

Holland's newest round of comments makes it sound like we're not interested in doing anything big, in free agency or the trade market. Sometimes I want to punch him in the face. Not literally. Figuratively. I guess.

I'd like to physically punch him in the face, partly because I know he doesn't have an enforcer to keep me honest.

#2522488 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by Dave on 02 June 2014 - 09:27 AM

Why Not...


1. Trade Jurco, Andersson, 2014 1st Round Pick (#15) for Ryan Kesler

2. Trade Dekeyser, Tatar, Marchenko, and 2015 1st + 2016 Cond 2nd for Shea Weber

3. Sign Boyle

4. Re-Sign Alfie









KINDL         - SMITH




Then lets flip Abs and Helm 1st+2nd+3rd+4th+5th+6th for Malkin and Letang

#2519139 WCSF : (6) Los Angeles Cartmans vs. (1) Coach Bombay and the Quacks

Posted by Hockeytown0001 on 04 May 2014 - 01:28 AM

Officially on the Kings bandwagon. 

#2518706 Jaroslav Halak's negotiating rights traded to Islanders.

Posted by Dabura on 01 May 2014 - 03:07 PM

Nabokov is, like, 70 years old.


Ken Holland is so turned on right now.

#2518652 Jimmy Howard's head is missing

Posted by Hockeymom1960 on 01 May 2014 - 11:08 AM

Well now we know why he was having trouble keeping his head in the game.

#2518429 Wings will buy out Tootoo, not Franzen.

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 30 April 2014 - 07:13 PM

Can we buy out Holland instead?

#2518386 Red Wings expect changes for 2014 - 2015

Posted by FireCaptain on 30 April 2014 - 02:00 PM

That Zetterberg guy is double shifting every game! He's a BEAST!!



Zetterberg - Datsyuk - real top line winger

good winger - Zetterberg - Nyquist

Abdelkader - Helm - Tatar

McGrattan - Sheahan - Jurco


Kronwall - real #1 defenseman

Smith - Ericsson

Dekeyser - Sproul



Good playoff goalie


#2518199 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by frankgrimes on 29 April 2014 - 01:38 PM

I honestly believe some people are really overestimating the "power" of us fans. Nothing we discuss here or somewhere else will have a direct impact on this organization, we have the luxury of acting like armchair-GMs positevly as well as negatively. That being said, I love the different viewings here on this board - compared to crap like HFboards where  mods/admins will ban you - if you don't agree with their viewpoint things are discussed in a very civil manner here. The best part of it all is the focus on purely one team with some nice guests and information about other teams such as the Preds fan.


Holland has done a marvelous job over the years nobody is denying that but I'm questioning if he has still the fire, drive to go with a changed landscape ? Nobody other than himself can answer this question, the league has changed teams have to bring a heavy, physical game alongside skill now more than ever. One thing I did see and learn in the series against Boston is this, not only do you need to be physical you also need a smooth transistioning from the D to the offense and a goalie who will bail you out more often than not, i.e a perfect built team i.e Boston this year. Yes, they like the Wings will have some tough decisions to make thanks to the CBA but their big advantage is the grind-thing, when your team isn't purely built on skilled it's easier to fill the grinders "blue collar" spots with cheaper players or lower draft picks. So personally I expect them to be very good for at least a few more years.


Don't get me wrong I like the way how some of the GR prospects are coming along but let's keep the expectations in check, nobody not even Babock thought Nyquist would be that ready so he surprised almost everyone in the organization. That being said his scoring pace was stamkoslike and I really hope people aren't going to expect that from him every season, if this guy can become a solid 20 - 25 goalscorer annually I would be extremely happy the same goes for Tatar. Another factor are the opponents, at first new players aren't seen as dangerous - unless of course you are a top 10 or whatever pick - as time goes on tthe opponents are more aware of certain players and play them harder, more focused or ice their best lines, pairings against certain players. At this point the new players has to adopt and that's also the point, where they define their own road. 


I did a quick look at the upcoming UFA pool and boy oh boy does that look like one meh class, NO star defenseman available and not one star winger that's just ridiculous. Nothing against guys like Niskanen - would love him here - but if he is by far the best available defenseman that's really telling. But the difference between this summer and some others is this:


The coach, captain are getting antsy of just squeezing into the playoffs and I'm sure if you ask them both would rather end the streak and if it means winning cup th next or following year. I still rank Holland in the top 5 in terms of GMs but - like everyone else - he has made some mistakes and seems to be panicking more often than not (Quincey, Legwand, Kindl...) so this is also his summer to show the fans and everyone in the league that he is still the top guy or at least on pair with guys like Chiarelli, Lombardi, Poile and Shero. Bringing back Alfie would be a mistake in my mind, he doesn't add anything if you don't play him on one of the top two lines but the thing is, even Abdelkader produced as Pasha's wing that's how good the two euro twins are but expecting a 41 years old Alfredsson to carry a line might be too much to ask. If the Wings would be looking for leadership and some veteran depth adding to an already stacked roster sure re-sign him but the Wings are retooling/building on the fly so I'd rather see him having a great last year in Ottawa and get his number deservingly retired there.


The needs are clear:

- size, grit --> easy to acquire and not expensive so there is absolutely no excuse to not sign guys like McGrattan, Orr for a fourth line role

- defense --> I cringe at the idea of signing Boyle rather have Niskanen but if we lose out on him I really don#t know who else would be a helpful edition :(

- pure goalscorer --> many will disagree but I'd rather have Moulson (cheaper almost same production) than Vanek


tl;dr - the off-season will be interesting and Kenny has a lot of capspace to play with

#2518136 Somebody's getting fired LOL (NSFW)

Posted by Dabura on 29 April 2014 - 09:41 AM

I co-wrote a dorm musical in college. One of this other writer's contributions was the phrase "boob-shot-s***owsky," or something like that. I assume this is his work. It seems very him.

#2518185 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by wings7 on 29 April 2014 - 12:57 PM


Holland's done plenty of good things. And some bad. Just like Bowman. Just like pretty much everyone who has dipped a toe in NHL waters.


Around these parts, I would argue he doesn't get enough credit. I tend to try and evaluate his work over larger periods of time that, IMO, have yet to expire.


We just disagree.


In the salary cap era. Holland has made a ton of bad moves.


Also, I'm not sure Scotty can be compared to Holland.


And not everyone has done some good and some bad. It's not that black and white.


Listening/Reading Holland's comments today instills no confidence that this team will be better next year.

#2518163 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 29 April 2014 - 12:14 PM


I feel like most GM'S are cyclical, usually they make some bad moves followed by some good moves and round and round it goes. Holland's issue has been that lately he's been lacking in good moves, and while you'r right he hasn't done anything crippling, he's hurt the team in other ways. Like wasting cap and roster spots on unworthy players, he also seems to have lost the midas touch in luring top flight UFA's. It's become strange that no top free agent wants to take the Wings money-maybe they're not offering enough?-I don't know... I don't advocate firing him, because who would the Wings get that was better? Sooner or later the fan base would turn on the new GM anyway. I would however like to see Holland get his head out of the sand and join the real world, he's got to realize his moves lately have been beyond atrocious; he's got to get off his hands and finally upgrade the D along with finding a scoring winger for Pav-while Pav is still at the top of his game.


I definitely agree with some of the things you've said.  For instance, Holland is notoriously stingy when it comes time to make offers to free agents (remember Wisniewski's 'market value' comment).  But I don't think his moves have been as bad as people think.  Hindsight has shown that some of them haven't worked out, but who could have known at the time.  For instance, it's easy to say that he doesn't attract top flight FA's, but Weiss and Alfie were both at the top of their respective FA cohorts.  Likewise, the Quincey move is generally considered bad.  But prior to coming back he'd been playing top four minutes and scoring around 30 pts. a season.  And he was young and still had development potential.  Easily worth a first at the time.  With Legwand I'd generally agree we overpaid, but Poile had us over a barrel and we knew it.  Even then, we were still getting a very good two way center capable of putting up good numbers.  It's mindblogging how he was used, but that's not his fault.  Tootoo?  Same deal as Legwand.  They both just did what they do, no knock on their game.


The two worst things that Holland did recently were bring back Cleary and give Sammy a No Trade Clause.  The first is defensible because Babs and the team leadership intervened on Cleary's behalf.  The NTC is indefensible and was just a plain bad move.  Neither of them, it turns out, actually impacted the team negatively all that much, though it maybe have impacted the Illitch's pocketbook (hard to feel bad for them considering they haven't paid taxes in about ten years lol). 


The question I would have is how high would the bar be set for Mantha to beat someone out? 


Very far considering he has no systems training and Babs runs one of the most demanding systems in the league.  This kid has zero chance of making the team next season.  Letting him learn the system in GR from Blashill is the right call, just not the sexy one. 

#2518120 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by Dabura on 29 April 2014 - 02:52 AM

I think the streak is amazing. I think the streak is important. But I think you have to be careful not to place too much importance on the streak itself. Zetterberg himself said he'd trade a season or two of the streak for a deeper run one year. Point being, the streak isn't really about making the playoffs every year. It's about sustained excellence, being in the mix for the Cup every season, not just being glad because "Phew! We kept a streak alive. Thank goodness. Now we can rest a little easier." The Cup is all that matters. 23 straight seasons is important not because it's a ridiculous streak, but because it shows a commitment to winning. But the Wings have to make good on that. The commitment itself can't be fetishized. There has to be some actual winning. Just making the dance isn't good enough, even in a transitional year like this one. It's really interesting to see Zetterberg basically say as much.


Then again, I suppose it's possible that the whole sustained excellence and commitment to winning thing might not be doable without yearly playoff revenue. It's entirely possible that Mr. I has been able to spend like he has largely because of the streak itself.